Good Bye RVP!

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Originally Posted by I_Killed_Kenny

I agree, thread shud b closed, its a fuckiny merry go round. At least lets use the thread productively n see what abuse we will sing about rvp this season.

You know you're a ****,
You know you're a cnnuuuuuuut,
Robin van persie,
You know you're a ****!

Thats my suggestion

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Rather than booing etc. The whole stadium should just go deathly quiet when he get's the ball.

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Originally Posted by Syn

He says he wanted to avoid selling to Man Utd at all costs. The club could have avoided it. The price for the indignity was £24m. Right now we're hearing all this stuff about Arsene being angry and tired and ruthless - well he's not calling it like it is, is he? All this principled 'they are our rivals' bullshit means nothing now. You can't hand your best player to a club you're trying to catch. That just doesn't make footballing sense. But it does make financial sense - and that is where our priorities lie.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I hear people putting forwards arguments of why it was 'sensible' for the club to sell RVP to our nearest rival for a high transfer fee but at the same time argue that RVP should have showed loyalty to the club and commit his future, his last remaining years as a professional, to a club that's willing to sell any player to any club that comes along with a nice offer. We're not winning trophies, we pay our top stars under 100k a week, you can get double that with a rival club that has more ambition to win silverware. If it makes sense for the club to sell to the highest bidder, then why is it crazy from RVP to look for an exit under these circumstances? Would anyone here turn down a job offer with a major company while your current employers are making redundancies and are so tight they won't even invest in new PCs just to boost productivity and efficiency? Hell no! Would you show loyalty when managers and board members are cutting corners but at the same time rewarding themselves with fat bonuses? Hell no! I support Arsenal and not the fucking shareholders. The club isn't the Board.

What we've done as club is worst because we've just strengthened our competitor. It's bloody insane. We've sold out big time and it sends the wrong message. We look like a selling club, always have, but now it looks like we've thrown all principles out of the window and will drop our pants for anyone. How comes Spurs are able to enforce a hardline with their players and we can't? We give in all the time.

Should we have given into RVP's wage demands....do we even know if negotiations even went that far? If wages weren't discussed in the first meeting and RVP said he wasn't signing because we 'lacked sporting ambition' then it seemed like we moved rather quickly to get his replacement in with Giroud. In fact, we were already thinking way ahead of schedule when we signed Poldoski, if Wenger is saying those two are the contingency plan. Did we really want to offer him a bumper wage deal in the first place? I still can't get over the statement Wenger put out months ago mid season about offering ageing players massive contracts when they're about to pass their peak. That right there was bloody suspect. We sounded reluctant to offer him massive wages in the first place. He didn't make his position untenable because players do that all the time. Gerrard, Lampard, Drogba, Rooney, Modric, Bale...it's not as if we couldn't have turned things around. Did we even hold further talks with RVP after we signed more players because negations may have been smoother from that point. He was training with the squad and being professional. Maybe he would have accepted an £150k contract after the signings, who knows, but it sounds like we didn't even make it that far. As said before, Wenger's comments months ago about his contract situation is a dead give away. We say we wanted him but it didn't look like we put up much of a fight.

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Yep, I don't get how "greed" can only be shown by players but not he board awarding themselves huge bonuses and cashing out on their shares. It's a very conservative attitude that has probably resulted from decades of Thatcherism, whereby the worker is always in the wrong and is being "greedy" for asking for a pay rise while the employer is the oppressed one. That's why people go on about "player power" even though the real power in football lies with the money men. You see this attitude especially clearly with regards to Walcott. He hasn't done anything wrong, he's kept quiet and tried to sort out his contract behind closed doors, and yet you have Arseblog and his lackeys jump down his throat, subtly accuse him of being greedy and afraid of competition from AOC, which is why he apparently wants to leave. Sometimes players can't win.

And we've being going around in circles for years on this topic. Playing quality on the field has gone down, we've won nothing for years, ticket prices are going up, fans are losing out while the shareholders are cashing in. Focusing on the players is pointless. Club policies need to be questioned and that needs to remain on the agenda for fans. I hope we're seeing and turn around this year but seeing how we've sold out, I'm just not sure.

The Walcott case is baffling as well. Arseblog has lost it in my opinion and I've little time for it now. Doesn't seem objective at all and is probably a 'company man' now. Brown paper bags from Gazidis and PR control squad.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

And we've being going around in circles for years on this topic. Playing quality on the field has gone down, we've won nothing for years, ticket prices are going up, fans are losing out while the shareholders are cashing in. Focusing on the players is pointless. Club policies need to be questioned and that needs to remain on the agenda for fans. I hope we're seeing and turn around this year but seeing how we've sold out, I'm just not sure.

The Walcott case is baffling as well. Arseblog has lost it in my opinion and I've little time for it now. Doesn't seem objective at all and is probably a 'company man' now. Brown paper bags from Gazidis and PR control squad.

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Haha .... wont be surprised.

People on this same thread calling RVP a greedy traitor, are cheering at reports that he got sold despite him seeming to come around after the signings made so far. It is unbelievable because that was the crust of his statement which people are beating him with.

But you, see apparently it was easy for united to keep their star man in similar circumstances; AFC on the other hand has to put financial priorities first. PHW,AW & Co. have won their battle of money-first crusade.

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Originally Posted by gooners

Haha .... wont be surprised.

People on this same thread calling RVP a greedy traitor, are cheering at reports that he got sold despite him seeming to come around after the signings made so far. It is unbelievable because that was the crust of his statement which people are beating him with.

But you, see apparently it was easy for united to keep their star man in similar circumstances; AFC on the other hand has to put financial priorities first. PHW,AW & Co. have won their battle of money-first crusade.

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we have players who are coming up for contract renewals, if we accepted van persies statement and then gave him the 200k a week he supposdly wanted, whats to stop theo, song and others doing exactly the same. then we are fucked. and who the fuck needs 200k a week anyway?

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

we have players who are coming up for contract renewals, if we accepted van persies statement and then gave him the 200k a week he supposdly wanted, whats to stop theo, song and others doing exactly the same. then we are fucked. and who the fuck needs 200k a week anyway?

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RVP was our star man & captain! There is a difference.

There is no indication whatsoever that he asked for that much. But nothing prevented him from asking united for that much --- he is at rooney's level.

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Originally Posted by gooners

RVP was our star man & captain! There is a difference.

There is no indication whatsoever that he asked for that much. But nothing prevented him from asking united for that much --- he is at rooney's level.

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hence why i said he suppodsly asked for that much. you always say we make up shit when we talk about van persie but you never actually offer us proof that he did or did not do the things we say he does.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

hence why i said he suppodsly asked for that much. you always say we make up shit when we talk about van persie but you never actually offer us proof that he did or did not do the things we say he does.

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The burden of proof is not on me. Because i am not making
things up as I go along.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

we have players who are coming up for contract renewals, if we accepted van persies statement and then gave him the 200k a week he supposdly wanted, whats to stop theo, song and others doing exactly the same. then we are fucked. and who the fuck needs 200k a week anyway?

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We're fucked anyway because no player is going to be happy on £50k a week when their counterparts at rival clubs are earning double the wages. As soon as a big club comes knocking, we're powerless and that's been the case for the last 7 years. Maybe if we actually retained our players, took a hit on the books, won some trophies, boosted the global appeal of the club so we're in a better negotiating position when our sponsorship renewals are due, we'll be able to pay these salaries.

We've been taken for right mugs with this stadium move. We're supposed to be competing with the likes of United and not selling them our best players as if we're struggling to stay afloat. The stadium capacity has been boosted so they can charge more money for tickets while cutting corners on the pitch. We didn't move to the Emirates for this shit. Our wage bill has increased but we're spending a huge chunk of it on no hope players by increasing the average wage. Wilshere, Ox...they'll follow in the same footsteps of Cole if the club try to shaft them on wages in the future. We don't operate in a bubble and our wage structure leads to the inevitable. Players will leave. It was proven with Cole, now with RVP and the same will happen in the future. We say modern players are greedy but nobody here would pledge loyalty to such a tight fisted company in the real world.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I hear people putting forwards arguments of why it was 'sensible' for the club to sell RVP to our nearest rival for a high transfer fee but at the same time argue that RVP should have showed loyalty to the club and commit his future, his last remaining years as a professional, to a club that's willing to sell any player to any club that comes along with a nice offer.

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maybe that's why you are having such a hard time getting your head around it, if this is what you truly believe. That we are willing to sell any player to any club that comes along with a nice offer.

This is not what happened with RVP, that is a fact.

And yes he did make his position untenable when he released that statement.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

hence why i said he suppodsly asked for that much. you always say we make up shit when we talk about van persie but you never actually offer us proof that he did or did not do the things we say he does.

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I don't think we even offered him a great contract.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

maybe that's why you are having such a hard time getting your head around it, if this is what you truly believe. That we are willing to sell any player to any club that comes along with a nice offer.

This is not what happened with RVP, that is a fact.

And yes he did make his position untenable when he released that statement.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

maybe that's why you are having such a hard time getting your head around it, if this is what you truly believe. That we are willing to sell any player to any club that comes along with a nice offer.

This is not what happened with RVP, that is a fact.

And yes he did make his position untenable when he released that statement.

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If that's all you have to add then leave it alone. You're adding nothing to the argument and quite frankly, I don't need to understand your thought process or get my head around the arguments. His position wasn't untenable after that statement because players like Vieira have said worse and still managed to play for us the following season. Players from other clubs have said worse and still contributed to their clubs. Why it's different for Arsenal, I don't know.

Here are the facts. We've sold top player after top player to make a profit in the transfer window. We'll see if the trend changes this year. We've just sold last years PFA player of the year to a team that finished one slot above us. It weakens us and strengthens them. We had a choice in the matter. We could have accepted the bid from Juve for a lower or keep RVP in the squad and let him run down his contract. Money took priority over ambition and what made footballing sense.

I think we've done enough rounds on this topic and I have no interest in convincing you of anything else and you're not going to sway me on my opinion either. We might as well leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by gooners

RVP was our star man & captain! There is a difference.

There is no indication whatsoever that he asked for that much. But nothing prevented him from asking united for that much --- he is at rooney's level.

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No indication at all....

...except for the £200k a week that his agent asked for him to get and which he will get at utd :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

No indication at all....

...except for the £200k a week that his agent asked for him to get and which he will get at utd :rolleyes:

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what the fark are you on about?

Read this again: There is no indication whatsoever that he asked for that much. But nothing prevented him from asking united for that much --- he is at rooney's level.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

If that's all you have to add then leave it alone. You're adding nothing to the argument and quite frankly, I don't need to understand your thought process or get my head around the arguments. His position wasn't untenable after that statement because players like Vieira have said worse and still managed to play for us the following season. Players from other clubs have said worse and still contributed to their clubs. Why it's different for Arsenal, I don't know.

Here are the facts. We've sold top player after top player to make a profit in the transfer window. We'll see if the trend changes this year. We've just sold last years PFA player of the year to a team that finished one slot above us. It weakens us and strengthens them. We had a choice in the matter. We could have accepted the bid from Juve for a lower or keep RVP in the squad and let him run down his contract. Money took priority over ambition and what made footballing sense.

I think we've done enough rounds on this topic and I have no interest in convincing you of anything else and you're not going to sway me on my opinion either. We might as well leave it at that.

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bang on!

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

If that's all you have to add then leave it alone. You're adding nothing to the argument and quite frankly, I don't need to understand your thought process or get my head around the arguments. His position wasn't untenable after that statement because players like Vieira have said worse and still managed to play for us the following season. Players from other clubs have said worse and still contributed to their clubs. Why it's different for Arsenal, I don't know.

Here are the facts. We've sold top player after top player to make a profit in the transfer window. We'll see if the trend changes this year. We've just sold last years PFA player of the year to a team that finished one slot above us. It weakens us and strengthens them. We had a choice in the matter. We could have accepted the bid from Juve for a lower or keep RVP in the squad and let him run down his contract. Money took priority over ambition and what made footballing sense.

I think we've done enough rounds on this topic and I have no interest in convincing you of anything else and you're not going to sway me on my opinion either. We might as well leave it at that.

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I'm not trying to sway your opinion.

Why do you keep on telling everyone that what you perceive to be the order of events is fact, even if it may not be the case?

You say we've sold RVP just to make a profit and state that it's a fact. Partly yes, we wanted to make a profit back on him, but you are unwilling or unable to accept the fact that goes along with it, that RVP didn't want to stay and play at arsenal anymore.
He wanted out and he got together with his agent to put a statement together that would force the clubs hand one way or another. He did it behind the clubs back, and unfortunately it contained things that undermined the manager and the club.

We would be weaker if we hadn't bought podolski, giroud and cazorla but we did, so we're not.

Accepting a lower bid from juve was one way, yes, and I would of preferred that too, but RVP didn't want to go there so that option was thrown out.

Keeping RVP to run down his contract would have been detrimental to the team. We would have endless speculation for 5 months about where he would go, until January when he signed a pre contract with whomever (still utd probably) and then he would most likely be out 'injured' for the remaining months so as not to get a real injury for when he joins his new club.

We cannot afford shit like that anymore.

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Originally Posted by gooners

what the fark are you on about?

Read this again: There is no indication whatsoever that he asked for that much. But nothing prevented him from asking united for that much --- he is at rooney's level.

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It makes perfect sense.

He also asked for that wage figure at juve before he changed his mind.

You think he would be feeling more sympathetic to us and say "it's alright, I'll only take £130k a week if I stay here"

Fuck no. He would be out for as much as he could get for a final contract no matter who he signed for.

Makes you wonder whether PHW already knew what his agents wage demands were when he talked to the press about us not offering silly money to keep him and he should stay out of loyalty.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

I'm not trying to sway your opinion.

Why do you keep on telling everyone that what you perceive to be the order of events is fact, even if it may not be the case?

You say we've sold RVP just to make a profit and state that it's a fact. Partly yes, we wanted to make a profit back on him, but you are unwilling or unable to accept the fact that goes along with it, that RVP didn't want to stay and play at arsenal anymore.
He wanted out and he got together with his agent to put a statement together that would force the clubs hand one way or another. He did it behind the clubs back, and unfortunately it contained things that undermined the manager and the club.

We would be weaker if we hadn't bought podolski, giroud and cazorla but we did, so we're not.

Accepting a lower bid from juve was one way, yes, and I would of preferred that too, but RVP didn't want to go there so that option was thrown out.

Keeping RVP to run down his contract would have been detrimental to the team. We would have endless speculation for 5 months about where he would go, until January when he signed a pre contract with whomever (still utd probably) and then he would most likely be out 'injured' for the remaining months so as not to get a real injury for when he joins his new club.

We cannot afford shit like that anymore.

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Spot on.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

It makes perfect sense.

He also asked for that wage figure at juve before he changed his mind.

You think he would be feeling more sympathetic to us and say "it's alright, I'll only take £130k a week if I stay here"

Fuck no. He would be out for as much as he could get for a final contract no matter who he signed for.

Makes you wonder whether PHW already knew what his agents wage demands were when he talked to the press about us not offering silly money to keep him and he should stay out of loyalty.

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Did he ask for a decent wage as a top tier striker? I am sure he did! Did he ask for bettter contract than our fucking stupid over 30yrs contract? I sure he did; he would have been farking stupid not to!

Did he ask for 200000 per week from us? There is no farking indication he did. Did he ask Juve/City/United for the going rate they give their star player? I am sure he did! So what? Why the fark should Rooney earn more than him when they play for the same team --- he is at rooney's level! Fergie thinks so too.

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Spot on.

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Pretty much..I was gonna comment but that's basically what i would have said...I probably would have thrown in that RvC is **** too, but thats just me:lol: Ahhh go on then....

The statement he brought out was the nail in the coffin. I had to explain this to a Man U fan also (not too bright those man u fans) but as soon as he came out and criticised the direction of the club aswell as saying he wouldnt sign an extension it was over. Also the difference between what Paddy said and what RVC said was that the **** released a fucking statement, Paddy at least had the sense to pretend to be mis-quoted by a dodgy reporter. RvC knew what he was doing, if contracts talks were not discussed it's because he wanted out already, if they were discussed (which i think they were - maybe not directly with rvC but with his agent) then I think they were the 220k+ he was after.

Ultimately regardless of how you look at it, he could have done a cesc and kept his mouth shut, it doesnt matter what was being said by the PHW, the media or supposed insiders of the club because it's the fans not the board, not the media, not some supposed insider at the club that determine what your status as a player was within the history of the club. He could have left with some dignity....he didnt, he's a disappointment, but for me, I wanted him gone after the statement because I only want players that want to be here and I knew that although he may have thought he was saying fuck you to the board, he was saying fuck you to the fans because that statement began the low 10-12million bids for a player that should have been worth 30+ at the time.

Fuck im

At the endof the day, he didn't request a transfer so will get his loyalty payout...

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Did he ask for a decent wage as a top tier striker? I am sure he did! Did he ask for bettter contract than our fucking stupid over 30yrs contract? I sure he did; he would have been farking stupid not to!

Did he ask for 200000 per week from us? There is no farking indication he did. Did he ask Juve/City/United for the going rate they give their star player? I am sure he did! So what? Why the fark should Rooney earn more than him when they play for the same team --- he is at rooney's level! Fergie thinks so too.

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I'm not saying he shouldn't have asked for that kinda money, most top footballers these days are on those wages. But to suggest that he wasn't wanting a similar level of wage from us that he has asked for from other clubs is just naive.

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Originally Posted by gooners

Did he ask for a decent wage as a top tier striker? I am sure he did! Did he ask for bettter contract than our fucking stupid over 30yrs contract? I sure he did; he would have been farking stupid not to!

Did he ask for 200000 per week from us? There is no farking indication he did. Did he ask Juve/City/United for the going rate they give their star player? I am sure he did! So what? Why the fark should Rooney earn more than him when they play for the same team --- he is at rooney's level! Fergie thinks so too.

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We were obviously going to make him our highest earner...so why didnt he sign? RvC said no contracts talks were had....he was gone when he said "whatever happens I love this club" then he joined Manchester United:lol:unbefuckinleavable

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At the endof the day, he didn't request a transfer so will get his loyalty payout...

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Loyalty Payout??? No way?? That cant be right, can it?

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Originally Posted by Newguy

Loyalty Payout??? No way?? That cant be right, can it?

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He can have his loyalty payout in the form of Sagna's cock up his arse.

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Originally Posted by Newguy

We were obviously going to make him our highest earner...so why didnt he sign? RvC said no contracts talks were had....he was gone when he said "whatever happens I love this club" then he joined Manchester United:lol:unbefuckinleavable

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Because it was more than just about money! Reports in this thread by the very people bashing him claim he was encouraged by the signings made so far and was coming around --- but was sold anyway! You can look back a few pages. Wasn't that the crust of that statement he is being lambasted with? But AFC as usual has shown where their priorities lie. Money first!

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Because it was more than just about money! Reports in this thread by the very people bashing him claim he was encouraged by the signings made so far and was coming around --- but was sold anyway! You can look back a few pages. Wasn't that the crust of that statement he is being lambasted with? But AFC as usual has shown where their priorities lie. Money first!

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The thing is, it's kinda like your GF saying that shes leaving you because she reckons your not earning enough money and basically disses you to all her friends...you then get a promotion and really start getting yourself together, the bitch then calls you talking about how she has seen what your doing and she's willing to stick around...Like really? Get the fuck out of my face bitch...:lol:

Again, I don't even think his wages were discussed or a contract offered. We prepared ourselves early. First Wenger made those comments about him approaching his peak whether he's worth the massive contract, then we sign Poldoski. Over the next few days we'll hear if there was a decent offer on the table but I get the feeling we weren't too keen on giving him the wages. It's bad enough we allowed him to get to the final year of his contract.

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Because it was more than just about money! Reports in this thread by the very people bashing him claim he was encouraged by the signings made so far and was coming around --- but was sold anyway! You can look back a few pages. Wasn't that the crust of that statement he is being lambasted with? But AFC as usual has shown where their priorities lie. Money first!

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Once again, ignoring the fact that it was because of the statement he released that pissed wenger off, that he was sold anyway.

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The thing is, it's kinda like your GF saying that shes leaving you because she reckons your not earning enough money and basically disses you to all her friends...you then get a promotion and really start getting yourself together, the bitch then calls you talking about how she has seen what your doing and she's willing to stick around...Like really? Get the fuck out of my face bitch...:lol:

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:lol: brilliant analogy!

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

I'm not saying he shouldn't have asked for that kinda money, most top footballers these days are on those wages. But to suggest that he wasn't wanting a similar level of wage from us that he has asked for from other clubs is just naive.

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I'd rather be naive, than make wild assumptions about what wages he asked for just so I can conveniently bash him as a greedy traitor. But whatever makes you sleep at night..

Mentioned in the Cesc transfer http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...s-bonuses.html

Probably why Ade is still at City

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The thing is, it's kinda like your GF saying that shes leaving you because she reckons your not earning enough money and basically disses you to all her friends...you then get a promotion and really start getting yourself together, the bitch then calls you talking about how she has seen what your doing and she's willing to stick around...Like really? Get the fuck out of my face bitch...:lol:

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We had no problems keeping vieira though. Did we?

Here is Wenger: "We already recruited to replace him," claimed Wenger on French TV station TF1. "We have already recruited since we bought Giroud and Podolski, who originally were intended to offset the departure of Van Persie."

When was podolski signed? Tells you all you need to know!

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Again, I don't even think his wages were discussed or a contract offered. We prepared ourselves early. First Wenger made those comments about him approaching his peak whether he's worth the massive contract, then we sign Poldoski. Over the next few days we'll hear if there was a decent offer on the table but I get the feeling we weren't too keen on giving him the wages. It's bad enough we allowed him to get to the final year of his contract.

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I've made comment in reply to a post on the song thread, but rvp had just come off the back of 7 seasons of injury and wasn't in the best position to negotiate a new contract.

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Originally Posted by gooners

I'd rather be naive, than make wild assumptions about what wages he asked for just so I can conveniently bash him as a greedy traitor. But whatever makes you sleep at night..

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Do you actually think about what people post or are you just here to troll and tar everyone with the same brush?

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Once again, ignoring the fact that it was because of the statement he released that pissed wenger off, that he was sold anyway.

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Oh, so now it is not because he is greedy? or he was agitating for a move? It was because he made his views public?

Didn't you just refer to PHW's public comment about him while the club conveniently had a gagging order slapped on him? AFC couldn't tak it however when he RVP vented in public? The irony and desperation!

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Do you actually think about what people post or are you just here to troll and tar everyone with the same brush?

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I could say the same for you ... you can stop farking replying to my posts and I shall rest. Tired of the repitition.

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Originally Posted by gooners

We had no problems keeping vieira though. Did we?

Here is Wenger: "We already recruited to replace him," claimed Wenger on French TV station TF1. "We have already recruited since we bought Giroud and Podolski, who originally were intended to offset the departure of Van Persie."

When was podolski signed? Tells you all you need to know!

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Yes because he's really likely to say "I didn't want RVP to be sold! Podolski and giroud wont be good enough to replace him, WHAT LE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO NOW??!!!"

isn't he :coffee: