Rather than booing etc. The whole stadium should just go deathly quiet when he get's the ball.
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Yep, I don't get how "greed" can only be shown by players but not he board awarding themselves huge bonuses and cashing out on their shares. It's a very conservative attitude that has probably resulted from decades of Thatcherism, whereby the worker is always in the wrong and is being "greedy" for asking for a pay rise while the employer is the oppressed one. That's why people go on about "player power" even though the real power in football lies with the money men. You see this attitude especially clearly with regards to Walcott. He hasn't done anything wrong, he's kept quiet and tried to sort out his contract behind closed doors, and yet you have Arseblog and his lackeys jump down his throat, subtly accuse him of being greedy and afraid of competition from AOC, which is why he apparently wants to leave. Sometimes players can't win.
And we've being going around in circles for years on this topic. Playing quality on the field has gone down, we've won nothing for years, ticket prices are going up, fans are losing out while the shareholders are cashing in. Focusing on the players is pointless. Club policies need to be questioned and that needs to remain on the agenda for fans. I hope we're seeing and turn around this year but seeing how we've sold out, I'm just not sure.
The Walcott case is baffling as well. Arseblog has lost it in my opinion and I've little time for it now. Doesn't seem objective at all and is probably a 'company man' now. Brown paper bags from Gazidis and PR control squad.
Haha .... wont be surprised.
People on this same thread calling RVP a greedy traitor, are cheering at reports that he got sold despite him seeming to come around after the signings made so far. It is unbelievable because that was the crust of his statement which people are beating him with.
But you, see apparently it was easy for united to keep their star man in similar circumstances; AFC on the other hand has to put financial priorities first. PHW,AW & Co. have won their battle of money-first crusade.
we have players who are coming up for contract renewals, if we accepted van persies statement and then gave him the 200k a week he supposdly wanted, whats to stop theo, song and others doing exactly the same. then we are fucked. and who the fuck needs 200k a week anyway?
We're fucked anyway because no player is going to be happy on £50k a week when their counterparts at rival clubs are earning double the wages. As soon as a big club comes knocking, we're powerless and that's been the case for the last 7 years. Maybe if we actually retained our players, took a hit on the books, won some trophies, boosted the global appeal of the club so we're in a better negotiating position when our sponsorship renewals are due, we'll be able to pay these salaries.
We've been taken for right mugs with this stadium move. We're supposed to be competing with the likes of United and not selling them our best players as if we're struggling to stay afloat. The stadium capacity has been boosted so they can charge more money for tickets while cutting corners on the pitch. We didn't move to the Emirates for this shit. Our wage bill has increased but we're spending a huge chunk of it on no hope players by increasing the average wage. Wilshere, Ox...they'll follow in the same footsteps of Cole if the club try to shaft them on wages in the future. We don't operate in a bubble and our wage structure leads to the inevitable. Players will leave. It was proven with Cole, now with RVP and the same will happen in the future. We say modern players are greedy but nobody here would pledge loyalty to such a tight fisted company in the real world.
maybe that's why you are having such a hard time getting your head around it, if this is what you truly believe. That we are willing to sell any player to any club that comes along with a nice offer.
This is not what happened with RVP, that is a fact.
And yes he did make his position untenable when he released that statement.
If that's all you have to add then leave it alone. You're adding nothing to the argument and quite frankly, I don't need to understand your thought process or get my head around the arguments. His position wasn't untenable after that statement because players like Vieira have said worse and still managed to play for us the following season. Players from other clubs have said worse and still contributed to their clubs. Why it's different for Arsenal, I don't know.
Here are the facts. We've sold top player after top player to make a profit in the transfer window. We'll see if the trend changes this year. We've just sold last years PFA player of the year to a team that finished one slot above us. It weakens us and strengthens them. We had a choice in the matter. We could have accepted the bid from Juve for a lower or keep RVP in the squad and let him run down his contract. Money took priority over ambition and what made footballing sense.
I think we've done enough rounds on this topic and I have no interest in convincing you of anything else and you're not going to sway me on my opinion either. We might as well leave it at that.
I'm not trying to sway your opinion.
Why do you keep on telling everyone that what you perceive to be the order of events is fact, even if it may not be the case?
You say we've sold RVP just to make a profit and state that it's a fact. Partly yes, we wanted to make a profit back on him, but you are unwilling or unable to accept the fact that goes along with it, that RVP didn't want to stay and play at arsenal anymore.
He wanted out and he got together with his agent to put a statement together that would force the clubs hand one way or another. He did it behind the clubs back, and unfortunately it contained things that undermined the manager and the club.
We would be weaker if we hadn't bought podolski, giroud and cazorla but we did, so we're not.
Accepting a lower bid from juve was one way, yes, and I would of preferred that too, but RVP didn't want to go there so that option was thrown out.
Keeping RVP to run down his contract would have been detrimental to the team. We would have endless speculation for 5 months about where he would go, until January when he signed a pre contract with whomever (still utd probably) and then he would most likely be out 'injured' for the remaining months so as not to get a real injury for when he joins his new club.
We cannot afford shit like that anymore.
It makes perfect sense.
He also asked for that wage figure at juve before he changed his mind.
You think he would be feeling more sympathetic to us and say "it's alright, I'll only take £130k a week if I stay here"
Fuck no. He would be out for as much as he could get for a final contract no matter who he signed for.
Makes you wonder whether PHW already knew what his agents wage demands were when he talked to the press about us not offering silly money to keep him and he should stay out of loyalty.
Did he ask for a decent wage as a top tier striker? I am sure he did! Did he ask for bettter contract than our fucking stupid over 30yrs contract? I sure he did; he would have been farking stupid not to!
Did he ask for 200000 per week from us? There is no farking indication he did. Did he ask Juve/City/United for the going rate they give their star player? I am sure he did! So what? Why the fark should Rooney earn more than him when they play for the same team --- he is at rooney's level! Fergie thinks so too.
Pretty much..I was gonna comment but that's basically what i would have said...I probably would have thrown in that RvC is **** too, but thats just me:lol: Ahhh go on then....
The statement he brought out was the nail in the coffin. I had to explain this to a Man U fan also (not too bright those man u fans) but as soon as he came out and criticised the direction of the club aswell as saying he wouldnt sign an extension it was over. Also the difference between what Paddy said and what RVC said was that the **** released a fucking statement, Paddy at least had the sense to pretend to be mis-quoted by a dodgy reporter. RvC knew what he was doing, if contracts talks were not discussed it's because he wanted out already, if they were discussed (which i think they were - maybe not directly with rvC but with his agent) then I think they were the 220k+ he was after.
Ultimately regardless of how you look at it, he could have done a cesc and kept his mouth shut, it doesnt matter what was being said by the PHW, the media or supposed insiders of the club because it's the fans not the board, not the media, not some supposed insider at the club that determine what your status as a player was within the history of the club. He could have left with some dignity....he didnt, he's a disappointment, but for me, I wanted him gone after the statement because I only want players that want to be here and I knew that although he may have thought he was saying fuck you to the board, he was saying fuck you to the fans because that statement began the low 10-12million bids for a player that should have been worth 30+ at the time.
Fuck im
At the endof the day, he didn't request a transfer so will get his loyalty payout...
Because it was more than just about money! Reports in this thread by the very people bashing him claim he was encouraged by the signings made so far and was coming around --- but was sold anyway! You can look back a few pages. Wasn't that the crust of that statement he is being lambasted with? But AFC as usual has shown where their priorities lie. Money first!
The thing is, it's kinda like your GF saying that shes leaving you because she reckons your not earning enough money and basically disses you to all her friends...you then get a promotion and really start getting yourself together, the bitch then calls you talking about how she has seen what your doing and she's willing to stick around...Like really? Get the fuck out of my face bitch...:lol:
Again, I don't even think his wages were discussed or a contract offered. We prepared ourselves early. First Wenger made those comments about him approaching his peak whether he's worth the massive contract, then we sign Poldoski. Over the next few days we'll hear if there was a decent offer on the table but I get the feeling we weren't too keen on giving him the wages. It's bad enough we allowed him to get to the final year of his contract.
Mentioned in the Cesc transfer http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...s-bonuses.html
Probably why Ade is still at City
We had no problems keeping vieira though. Did we?
Here is Wenger: "We already recruited to replace him," claimed Wenger on French TV station TF1. "We have already recruited since we bought Giroud and Podolski, who originally were intended to offset the departure of Van Persie."
When was podolski signed? Tells you all you need to know!
Oh, so now it is not because he is greedy? or he was agitating for a move? It was because he made his views public?
Didn't you just refer to PHW's public comment about him while the club conveniently had a gagging order slapped on him? AFC couldn't tak it however when he RVP vented in public? The irony and desperation!