Good Bye RVP!

[KSE Comedy Club]

I hear people putting forwards arguments of why it was 'sensible' for the club to sell RVP to our nearest rival for a high transfer fee but at the same time argue that RVP should have showed loyalty to the club and commit his future, his last remaining years as a professional, to a club that's willing to sell any player to any club that comes along with a nice offer.

maybe that's why you are having such a hard time getting your head around it, if this is what you truly believe. That we are willing to sell any player to any club that comes along with a nice offer.

This is not what happened with RVP, that is a fact.

And yes he did make his position untenable when he released that statement.

[Power n Glory]

hence why i said he suppodsly asked for that much. you always say we make up shit when we talk about van persie but you never actually offer us proof that he did or did not do the things we say he does.

I don't think we even offered him a great contract.

[GP]

maybe that's why you are having such a hard time getting your head around it, if this is what you truly believe. That we are willing to sell any player to any club that comes along with a nice offer.

This is not what happened with RVP, that is a fact.

And yes he did make his position untenable when he released that statement.

Exactly.

[Power n Glory]

maybe that's why you are having such a hard time getting your head around it, if this is what you truly believe. That we are willing to sell any player to any club that comes along with a nice offer.

This is not what happened with RVP, that is a fact.

And yes he did make his position untenable when he released that statement.

If that's all you have to add then leave it alone. You're adding nothing to the argument and quite frankly, I don't need to understand your thought process or get my head around the arguments. His position wasn't untenable after that statement because players like Vieira have said worse and still managed to play for us the following season. Players from other clubs have said worse and still contributed to their clubs. Why it's different for Arsenal, I don't know.

Here are the facts. We've sold top player after top player to make a profit in the transfer window. We'll see if the trend changes this year. We've just sold last years PFA player of the year to a team that finished one slot above us. It weakens us and strengthens them. We had a choice in the matter. We could have accepted the bid from Juve for a lower or keep RVP in the squad and let him run down his contract. Money took priority over ambition and what made footballing sense.

I think we've done enough rounds on this topic and I have no interest in convincing you of anything else and you're not going to sway me on my opinion either. We might as well leave it at that.

[KSE Comedy Club]

RVP was our star man & captain! There is a difference.

There is no indication whatsoever that he asked for that much. But nothing prevented him from asking united for that much --- he is at rooney's level.

No indication at all....

...except for the £200k a week that his agent asked for him to get and which he will get at utd

[gooners]

No indication at all....

...except for the £200k a week that his agent asked for him to get and which he will get at utd

what the fark are you on about?

Read this again: There is no indication whatsoever that he asked for that much. But nothing prevented him from asking united for that much --- he is at rooney's level.

[gooners]

If that's all you have to add then leave it alone. You're adding nothing to the argument and quite frankly, I don't need to understand your thought process or get my head around the arguments. His position wasn't untenable after that statement because players like Vieira have said worse and still managed to play for us the following season. Players from other clubs have said worse and still contributed to their clubs. Why it's different for Arsenal, I don't know.

Here are the facts. We've sold top player after top player to make a profit in the transfer window. We'll see if the trend changes this year. We've just sold last years PFA player of the year to a team that finished one slot above us. It weakens us and strengthens them. We had a choice in the matter. We could have accepted the bid from Juve for a lower or keep RVP in the squad and let him run down his contract. Money took priority over ambition and what made footballing sense.

I think we've done enough rounds on this topic and I have no interest in convincing you of anything else and you're not going to sway me on my opinion either. We might as well leave it at that.

:goodpost:

bang on!

[KSE Comedy Club]

If that's all you have to add then leave it alone. You're adding nothing to the argument and quite frankly, I don't need to understand your thought process or get my head around the arguments. His position wasn't untenable after that statement because players like Vieira have said worse and still managed to play for us the following season. Players from other clubs have said worse and still contributed to their clubs. Why it's different for Arsenal, I don't know.

Here are the facts. We've sold top player after top player to make a profit in the transfer window. We'll see if the trend changes this year. We've just sold last years PFA player of the year to a team that finished one slot above us. It weakens us and strengthens them. We had a choice in the matter. We could have accepted the bid from Juve for a lower or keep RVP in the squad and let him run down his contract. Money took priority over ambition and what made footballing sense.

I think we've done enough rounds on this topic and I have no interest in convincing you of anything else and you're not going to sway me on my opinion either. We might as well leave it at that.

I'm not trying to sway your opinion.

Why do you keep on telling everyone that what you perceive to be the order of events is fact, even if it may not be the case?

You say we've sold RVP just to make a profit and state that it's a fact. Partly yes, we wanted to make a profit back on him, but you are unwilling or unable to accept the fact that goes along with it, that RVP didn't want to stay and play at arsenal anymore.
He wanted out and he got together with his agent to put a statement together that would force the clubs hand one way or another. He did it behind the clubs back, and unfortunately it contained things that undermined the manager and the club.

We would be weaker if we hadn't bought podolski, giroud and cazorla but we did, so we're not.

Accepting a lower bid from juve was one way, yes, and I would of preferred that too, but RVP didn't want to go there so that option was thrown out.

Keeping RVP to run down his contract would have been detrimental to the team. We would have endless speculation for 5 months about where he would go, until January when he signed a pre contract with whomever (still utd probably) and then he would most likely be out 'injured' for the remaining months so as not to get a real injury for when he joins his new club.

We cannot afford shit like that anymore.

[KSE Comedy Club]

what the fark are you on about?

Read this again: There is no indication whatsoever that he asked for that much. But nothing prevented him from asking united for that much --- he is at rooney's level.

It makes perfect sense.

He also asked for that wage figure at juve before he changed his mind.

You think he would be feeling more sympathetic to us and say "it's alright, I'll only take £130k a week if I stay here"

Fuck no. He would be out for as much as he could get for a final contract no matter who he signed for.

Makes you wonder whether PHW already knew what his agents wage demands were when he talked to the press about us not offering silly money to keep him and he should stay out of loyalty.

[GP]

I'm not trying to sway your opinion.

Why do you keep on telling everyone that what you perceive to be the order of events is fact, even if it may not be the case?

You say we've sold RVP just to make a profit and state that it's a fact. Partly yes, we wanted to make a profit back on him, but you are unwilling or unable to accept the fact that goes along with it, that RVP didn't want to stay and play at arsenal anymore.
He wanted out and he got together with his agent to put a statement together that would force the clubs hand one way or another. He did it behind the clubs back, and unfortunately it contained things that undermined the manager and the club.

We would be weaker if we hadn't bought podolski, giroud and cazorla but we did, so we're not.

Accepting a lower bid from juve was one way, yes, and I would of preferred that too, but RVP didn't want to go there so that option was thrown out.

Keeping RVP to run down his contract would have been detrimental to the team. We would have endless speculation for 5 months about where he would go, until January when he signed a pre contract with whomever (still utd probably) and then he would most likely be out 'injured' for the remaining months so as not to get a real injury for when he joins his new club.

We cannot afford shit like that anymore.

Spot on.