well by booing the sub they were booing him, even if not directly. he must have felt like shit and even shiter the fact he was at fault for the winner. Even if it did get me GW PL PointsQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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well by booing the sub they were booing him, even if not directly. he must have felt like shit and even shiter the fact he was at fault for the winner. Even if it did get me GW PL PointsQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Not really, he could have come on for Theo and everyone would have cheered. Okay to boo him for fucking up on the goal though, useless bastard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
That was very uncomfortable watching....but the fans are at the end of their tether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Asharvin is a talent but needs to be played where he can be effective, behind the striker....he simply does not have the engine to play anywhere else.
Wenger was at fault for the Eboue issue and again today.
Its not even that, its the fact he does not want to be here and don;t give a shit but is still picked to be in the squad. Arshavin is not the same guy we bought 2 years in jan.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr
No point in criticising the fans. Even RVP was baffled by that decision and was verbal about it. He was pissed because he saw Ox walking off the pitch. Fans were booing when they saw Ox walking as well.
Thats why i said its not intentional but to AA it may have seemed so, so how he played is irrelvant. Had Wenger blamed him for the winner he be finshed off for good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
So Arshavin should be booed because the fans are upset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Wenger knew the flanks were where Man U were most dangerous and made the right decision to take off Djourou. But bringing on Arshavin was a mistake. Taking off Ox, our most dangerous player was silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr
Arshavin would not have been booed had he been replacing Theo. And had that been the scenario, we'd have had at least a point.
Sort you're head, mate. You're all over the place. The boos weren't directed at Arshavin.!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
even so he must have felt like shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
But he was not to know that was he. I know that and you know that, but him coming on would not know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
watch it again mate...i admitt i was not at the stadium...but when Asharvins name was announced the boos were loud....if i was him i would feel like crapQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
There is a danger of reading too much into it but even the end seemed a bit weird when Van Persie just stood in the middle of the pitch. http://arsenalist.com/video/?id=xnx16lQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
The boos were certainly for the sub, not Arshavin personally. Although yes I can see how it could've been seen that way and that Arshavin may have felt dead inside after.
We as fans have been extremely patient, so frankly I don't care if Wenger, Arshavin, Henry or anyone else at the club feels the fans aren't pulling their weight. We see the same shit over and over, it's like every season is a repeat of the last.
They were booing as soon as they saw Ox walking off. When Ox name was announced they cheered, then went back to booing. Arsahvin didn't do anything wrong in the previous game to get such a reaction. He's had a worst run of games in the past and it has never resulted in sucha reaction. It's shame he had to the player to come on for Ox, but if Yossi came on, there would have been boos as well. Ox just set up the goal and was having a great game. As soon as he sets up a goal he goes off. That was why the reaction was so strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr
Actually, I don't think Arshavin was booed at all - it was the substitution. I'm still scratching my balls head at the decision to take Oxo off.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
No he was not booed, but to him he may ahve thought he was, even RVP saying fuck, could look like why don't he want me on to AAQuote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Noticed it as well. It was close to being a Gallas moment. I've never seen a player angry about another player coming off the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
my point was Arshavin heard booing at that point was not sure why. he must have thought why don't they want me on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Cos hes a fat fuckQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Must have been hard for Arshavin to hear that and I feel sorry for him. He's being mismanaged. I don't think the goal came from a lack of effort. He tracked back but can't tackle or mark.
But don't fall for the okey doke! :lol: the seed of dissent has been planted and some how this thread has been hijacked. Firs post of the thread and the culprit is moaning about the moaners. No comment on the result or match. :lol:
Worst thing is when Arshavin came on I turned to my mate and said 'they're gonna nick it'. 20 seconds later and guess what happened.. they scored.
Why the f*ck did Wenger take Oxo off? Reports suggest he had cramp but from where I was sitting he never once looked to the bench or made out he had fatigue. Him setting up a goal would have given him extra confidence to play better in the last 15 mins, it probably would have given him that extra oomph to really push on. United couldn't handle him so what does Arsene do.. substitute him. Worst decision he's made in years.
I've yet to see the crowd chant 'you dont know what you're doing' like they did today at Wenger, it suggests there's real ill feeling and most people are fed up.
I think Wenger's losing it, and if he doesn't buck up he'll be gone in the summer. Another trophyless season and potentially dropping out the drop 4 will put too much pressure on him, and the fans will get their way.
weren't no booing directed at Arshavin from where I was sitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
We booed when Oxo was taken off, then Arshavins name was called and crowd went silent.
No booing towards him.
Only Wenger.
I never said people was booing him, i said to him comig on it may have looked like it. I know there no boo's at him but did he.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Does it matter? Did it effect his game in a negative way? If everyone was cheering do you think he's have stopped Valencia from making that run into the box?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
To be honest, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the crowd reaction and the change in crowd atmosphere may have affected our team performance negatively. But nevertheless, I agree that I don't think you can blame the fans for that. The fans aren't robots. They saw a ridiculous decision being made at a time when emotions were high and we had all the momentum, and they reacted to it without thinking. It was natural instincts. I think our fans will get some bad press and reputation for it but I'm glad they did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
They were pissed off, and rightly so. Only AW is quite so skilled at wrestling a defeat from the clutches of a victory.
Probably the same shit going through his head that was going through the fans' heads. Best player hauled off, fucking up a chance of the points which we absolutely required today, the CL most likely gone, the scum 10 points clear of us, the backfiring chavs opening up a gap, the same old shit we've seen time and again. If RvP has been hearing shit behind the scenes about a change in direction or ambition then what happened today would kill that idea. We've been here too many times now. RvP won't stay, why would he? He's good enough to win something, he's spent many years here trying, but we're as far away as ever. He's broken his back this season and the reason we aren't in a deeper hole is down to him. So I guess he wonders when somebody else is going to chip in. Gallas was sulking. RvP looked more incredulous or maybe resigned. If the fans knew Ox would be hooked then I'm pretty damn sure the players could have guessed it. It's not just one substitution, it's the stubbornness and rigidity and fucked up blind faith that goes back years and was encapsulated in this one event. The straw that broke the camels back. Okay, I'm guessing. But he looked like I felt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Were you there? There was a lot of booing when the substitution was announced (fair enough), but then when Arshavin's name was read out there was another quite loud boo. Now, that may still have been aimed more at the substitution rather than him personally but it was the reaction to his name and it was out of order IMO. Kicking a player lacking in confidence when he's down helps no-one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Who gives a fuck, Arshavins been dogshit for months and months and no fan has ever booed him before, past caring tbh.
Besides all that, the booing worked for Eboue so it might make him buck the fuck up and start playing properly again.
But, yeh, the booing was aimed at wenger, not fatty.
Not where I was. There was a very loud boo when Arshavin's name was called out.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Understandable, but unhelpful.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnw...d-playreloff-1
Says it all really....
Well, maybe. I don't think it'll work this time. And actually in the last couple of games I've seen him Arshavin has been working pretty hard. He's just been a bit rubbish. I can forgive that more than a lack of effort. He's lacking confidence, a loud booing in reaction to his name being called out isn't going to lift that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
... unless it makes him put in a transfer request. :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Of coruse it matters if it dents his confidence. Yes the fans booed the sub, but in away were booing him or not wanting him to come on indirectly. We wll never know what effect cheering would have had but by that logic you may as well say had AOC been left on and theo kaen off would that have stopped Valencia from making a run oe would aa have made the same mistake?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Mmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Wenger :rose:
:(
Sad really. I'll always be grateful to him for the things he's done for us, the level he took us to in the early noughties. I never thought I'd see us at that level and it was a privilege to watch that team. When RvP goes this summer, and he surely will, we're a mid-table side and while I still don't believe Wenger is entirely to blame he isn't blameless either and he needs to go. As do most of the board tbh.
:lol: Well yeah, that would be a silver lining.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
No. Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
If it had been for the ineffective walcott, then people wouldn't have minded.
It was that he was taking of AOC who was doing Utd damage....and even the most idiotic of fans could see he was taking the wrong person off.