Do you still want Wenger as Arsenal manager?

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21-08-2011, 07:20 PM
AKBapologist

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

The board is a problem but so is Wenger....

...Wenger is the problem, the main problem and maybe the only problem.

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21-08-2011, 07:26 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

PnG, a corporation always puts out a unified message no matter what shit is going on behind the scenes. That's just the done thing in the business world. There's a lot of money at stake here, the people who have access to that money and have a legal entitlement to help themselves to a cut are never going to view things the same way as fans. Most business people I've dealt with would sell their mother for additional profit. There are very, very few honourable business people. This isn't because they are bad individuals (though many of them are that too) it's because the culture of business demands profit first, above all else including common sense in many cases.

The corporation is also about shifting the cost of doing business externally whilst maintaining the profits internally. People at the top view this as normal and the smart thing to do. They take their responsibilities very seriously, in a brainwashed kind of way. It's hard to explain, I've sat in many boardrooms (never as an owner I might add, but as a skivvy) and listened to many tools go on about this that or the other and it has always struck me how detached from reality these fuckers are but yet how much power they have over that reality. And most of them are fucking clueless, these days hardly anyone works their way up through a business. They parachute in at the top floor complete with a nudge, nudge, reputation passed on by another tie down the road.

Different world but the short story is you are never going to see Wenger come out and call our board a bunch of cunts, not until all bridges have been burned an open hostilities are in progress. But it's pretty amazing what has been happening nonetheless. I pointed to the statements about no players leaving and now he's telling us the Nasri deal is nowhere near done. Either everyone in the board is on the same page as Wenger and suddenly everyone at the club is deluded, or there's my "conspiracy theory" of a split. Let's face it, if I'm wrong then we're in even bigger trouble than we all think.

Look at this Kroneke bloke. Comes in, quietly buys up the club with and as soon as he's secure and in charge things start to look like they are falling apart. Things weren't great before that but at least we could go into a game against Liverpool with some expectation of a favourable result. It's time for this absent owner to show his face and tell us what is going on I think. And I believe Wenger has already tried to tell us in the only way possible. Sure, it;s just guesswork on my part but the popular arguments calls for Wenger to be so stubborn, so deluded, so averse to spending money that he'd destroy the club he's tried to build over 15 years. That doesn't make sense to me and doubly so because the argument also calls for Kroenke and the board to just sit there and watch it happening. Something else is going on I think and it's probably not the best time for the fans to be heaping the pressure on Wenger in case we're fighting the one person who might be standing up for what we want as fans. I'm not saying that's certainly the case, but it would be wise to try and get the whole picture before taking a hatchet to it.

The next 10 days will tell us a lot.

We will soon see where he stands. As posted earlier, if he's putting on a united front so he doesn't rock the boat and can continue picking up a paycheck, then he's just as bad as those deceptive scumbags. But if he has the fans best interest at heart, then he'll have to make things a little more clear because the message isn't filtering through.
21-08-2011, 07:53 PM
Xhaka Can’t

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Originally Posted by FakeYank

From a club challenging for title to being reasonably content with 6th.. AW has fucked us in the ass and for some weird reason, I still see him being defended. I want the cunt out and I'd rather not have a manager at Arsenal than have him.

http://f.imagehost.org/0171/wenger_out.png

I struggle to reconcile your juvenile rants with the guy I met at the Chelsea match.
21-08-2011, 07:56 PM
Xhaka Can’t

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Originally Posted by FakeYank

If AW is such a victim, why doesnt he resign? Why stay on and tarnish his reputation?

Because he is Arsenal to his core.

Can you be as sure as Kroenke, Usmanov or any other cunt on the Board?
21-08-2011, 08:18 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Yes, true. Fabs said he owes Wenger and without him, he wouldn't be playing for Barca. Wenger said we sold Cesc on the cheap because it was an issue of the heart and he was torn between two clubs. That doesn't soun like a man that was forced by the board to sell.

Last point, back to this boss/employee analogy. If Wenger is happy to pick up a pay check while sitting around incompetence and mediocrity, then what does that say about him? Isn't he just as bad as the players that are happy to pick up an Arsenal paycheck but go through the motions on the pitch when playing? Showing no passion or urge to shake things up and make something happen? We want rid of that type of player. Shouldn't it be the same for Wenger if he's keeping his mouth shut because he's afraid of losing his job?

I don't think that's consistent with his character but if you hold that view, then Wenger is part of the problem and should go.

We want rid of all the business trash that's slinked into football, I'd say. But that's not going to happen. Wenger and all managers are dealing in a different environment to the past when the football took priority. You have the ex-England skipper whoring himself out in the Far East and advising anonymous businessmen how they can get in, make the cash and get out - where do the fans come into that? You have the interests of the club at heart, so do I, so do most fans. But that's not necessarily true of the gang in the boardroom, beyond Arsenal being a vehicle for them to profit. And face it, they have profited greatly regardless of what has happened on the pitch. What does a manager do, does he demand they leave and that altruistic owners are installed? Where does he get the power to enforce that demand? But the fans could do it - unfortunately only by doing short term harm to the club which always runs the risk of resulting in permanent harm. That's the trouble with these business fuckers, they have the money and in many ways they have the power too because they are selfish enough to do the things the fans wouldn't.
21-08-2011, 08:23 PM
Ashburton2006

I know I keep saying it, but he should have gone years ago! As for bringing back George Graham! What a joke! Look at what he done to Leeds! Mourhino is the man! Now before Wenger does a Cloughie and relegates us!!
21-08-2011, 08:54 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Ashburton2006

I know I keep saying it, but he should have gone years ago! As for bringing back George Graham! What a joke! Look at what he done to Leeds! Mourhino is the man! Now before Wenger does a Cloughie and relegates us!!

Mourinho and our board - it's not going to happen is it?
21-08-2011, 09:06 PM
fakeyank

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Originally Posted by GB.

Because he is Arsenal to his core.

Can you be as sure as Kroenke, Usmanov or any other cunt on the Board?

Not Kroenke or Usmanov but others are as much Arsenal as Arsene Wenger is. So him staying on helps who? Nobody in world football can take our squad to the title and no matter how good AW is, he cant get us to that expectation we have from him.. so why stay on? He is Arsenal through and through but by staying on despite his alleged difficulties, he is only tarnishing his reputations. Wouldnt he rather quit and let the fans know what sort of constraints he has been under? That would keep his legend alive and let everyone know what the main problem is!

However the reality is that HE is the problem. He is way too stubborn and I dont understand whats with the sudden Arsene love in... If it was just this season, I'd understand but its not just this season but been the same for the last 4-5 seasons! C'mon, did his old sad face change all ur minds? Where are you guys getting information that this is some sort of inside job? This is freaking baffling!
The board and Arsene have both said we have money to spend, so if they are not spending who do I blame? Cant blame the board coz Arsene is in charge of football matters and I will judge him by it. I have no time for conspiracy theories which has absolutely no basis or foundation... facts say we have money and our manager hasnt spent it for many seasons.

One question.. why buy OAC for close to 15 mill? We clearly dont have money right..
21-08-2011, 09:45 PM
latewinner

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I have no sympathy for the man. You guys are on one if you think the board is to blame. PHW has no problem calling Arsenal fans 'idiots' and then you've this complete arrogance from Wenger telling people that his judgement shouldn't be questioned. Wenger has no problem telling the fans that the booing hasn't helped the Nasri situation and we're partly to blame for him leaving but has never turned on the board and openly questioned their behaviour. Even when PHW disrespects the fans, Gazidis is the man stepping in trying appeal to the fans and choosing his words carefully because he knows without us there is no club. He try's to send out the right message to the fans, you don't get none of that from PHW or Wenger. Just pure arrogance. They have this 'how dare you question my judgement' type attitude. You don't get that from Gazidis. He's knows the situation is tense and because of Wenger's actions, he's having to double back on the things he has said during the AST meeting.

If Wenger was protecting the board, I'd a expect a much more humble approach and man talking as if his hands are tied. I get no sense of that from Wenger. His attitude and PHW's are almost synchronised. Where is the attempt to try and ease the fans fears or even empathise? He's telling people that 'patience is a sign of intelligence'! If you're under pressure and don't agree with what your boss is doing, you side with the people that hold a similar view or at least stay silent and not go all out to insult the people that have supported you for all these years.

Sorry, I don't buy this board hanging Wenger out to try story. Not once has he questioned the boards policies because he agrees with them. We all know we have money to spend and months of speculation he comes put and says he'll spend up to £40m but only for the right type of player. What more do you need?

Top Top view especially that is very true. I think anyone believing Wenger is the poor victim in this refused the money he pleads for transfers is very naive . He is their cash cow. He's probably the most powerful and secured manager in football. There's isn't a manager available who would virtually guarantee champions league football like he has and it's just very clear from what he's says every season, the excuses he makes every season and the mistakes he never learns from this is what he's content to do

If he really was pushing for funds demanding 50 million or so to buy a couple of players factoring in sales and actually motivated to be the best , they wouldn't refuse and risk him quitting. It isn't an outrageous request and they need him more than he needs them.

He doesn't demand anything beyond what's needed for a top 4 place and a quarter final place in the champions league. And as long as they have him having built up messiah like support because of his earlier success they have their excuse keep it this way.
They're really cowardly and short sighted. We're in a position where we could easily be competing with the big clubs, get that european cup to our name and make much more money than we currently do .

I'm not gonna call wenger a cunt though or anything like that because he still deserves respect and when I hear him talk I still see a good person I'd feel bad tearing in to.
21-08-2011, 10:20 PM
Xhaka Can’t

I think you look at things in far too simplistic a manner. You want the easy answer, in fact we all do. I want Wenger to go because if he does, THEN we may start getting to the root of our problems. It may even be for the best for him. He said something that resonated with me, that made me think about how much he loves the club and how much he invested in it.

I fucking hate that I want him out, but I think it has to happen. And for you to refer to him as a cunt, well that is just sickening, and I'm sorry, but that speaks volumes about how fickle you are and says nothing about Wenger the man, to me.

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Originally Posted by FakeYank

Not Kroenke or Usmanov but others are as much Arsenal as Arsene Wenger is. So him staying on helps who? Nobody in world football can take our squad to the title and no matter how good AW is, he cant get us to that expectation we have from him.. so why stay on? He is Arsenal through and through but by staying on despite his alleged difficulties, he is only tarnishing his reputations. Wouldnt he rather quit and let the fans know what sort of constraints he has been under? That would keep his legend alive and let everyone know what the main problem is!

However the reality is that HE is the problem. He is way too stubborn and I dont understand whats with the sudden Arsene love in... If it was just this season, I'd understand but its not just this season but been the same for the last 4-5 seasons! C'mon, did his old sad face change all ur minds? Where are you guys getting information that this is some sort of inside job? This is freaking baffling!
The board and Arsene have both said we have money to spend, so if they are not spending who do I blame? Cant blame the board coz Arsene is in charge of football matters and I will judge him by it. I have no time for conspiracy theories which has absolutely no basis or foundation... facts say we have money and our manager hasnt spent it for many seasons.

One question.. why buy OAC for close to 15 mill? We clearly dont have money right..

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