Still out of all competitions. Wait, well, still on the race for 4th place....
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Still out of all competitions. Wait, well, still on the race for 4th place....
If the only reason to part with Wenger is to try something new without any assurance of success then I don't buy it . Arsenal is a big club going through a transitional period ( problems , lack of trophies..etc..) That can happen to any team before a revival . Chelsea spent 50 years without any major trophy , Man U was even relegated at a certain stage of their history . If we can get a better man to lead us to more succes ,I don't mind Arsene leaving . But I don't think there are too many out there who can manage Arsenal the Wenger way . As long as the Board are not ready to splash out cash then Wenger is still the man .Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
As someone has said we're out of all competitions (by February), for 6 years now we've failed to make the best of situations when well placed and every season the pattern is similar if not the same. I don't understand how people can think this will change, I've seen good runs at the end of a season before and all they've done is mask the problems that have been there for most of the season before that run.
If we do sign Podolski I'm not really sure if it's because we're half expecting RVP to go, doesn't he play in a similar role after all? We've heard about players not being for sale many times before but in the end they've gone so I take that with a pinch of salt.
If Wenger was at another club right now and he'd done what he has in the last 6 years we wouldn't go near him with a bargepole to manage us because he's kinda proven he can't achieve success these days.
No team has any assurances of success.
Only thing we are assured of is if Wenger stays then we will see the same shit over and over again til the day he goes. Seen it the last few years and we'll see it for a few more years yet. However if he goes then yes we might get worse, we might well do that. However we might also get better and as im a naturally optimistic guy, thats what i think will happen.
Point is, we are at a time where a risk has to be taken. If we settle for the shite we have now and yes it is shite always being the bridesmaid and never the bride then its only a matter of time before we go backwards.
As a great man once said, if we stand still, we go backwards
Very true and rightly so. But he has Achieved Success (yes not to me or you) but to those who matter the most his employers thats the problem. He has met their targets and in their eyes he has no failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
If we had a Owner with ambition in the last 6 years do you think this would be allowed to happen. they should have given him a target of 2-3 years with PY annd thats all.
Totally agree dude, now is the time to take that risk, The reason i want him out, has nothing do with trophies or spending big bucks. Its about not fixing the the problems we have. Like you say its gone on season after season same shite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
We going to get a new man sometime, might as well be now we have a solid base and let a new era begin.
We all know Wenger will leave one day anyway don't see why we can't take that risk now.
Yes, really. We had a period of dominating English football once before. In the 1930s! It had been 60 years since then and while we'd always had trophies here and there the title in '89 was the first in 18 years and while we repeated it 2 years later by the mid-90s we were a very mid-table side who had some good Cup runs but never seriously looked like title contenders. So yes, winning 3 titles in 7 years and 2 of those being Double seasons (yes, we'd done it before but not for nearly 40 years and gave no indication of being able to repeat it although we were close in '91) was exceptional for the club in modern times.Quote:
Originally Posted by latewinner
Wenger can't live off that period of success forever of course and every season which goes by without a trophy more fans lose patience with him but to act like that period of success wasn't exceptional for our club is...well, it's just plain wrong. It was the best period since the 30s and not even Coney remembers that.
What post would make a lot more sense if we were in mid-table right now as you predicted we'd be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
RVP managed to stay fit and kept us in the running for top 4. Its a miracle he has and no one can predict miracles otherwise it wouldnt be a miracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Very good post, makes me wanna change my username to 'Thank the gods for RVP'Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Who signed RvP again?
The good legendary Arsene WengerQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Not the dumbass in it for the money one we have now
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Originally Posted by Ach
The fact that you have to go all the way back to 2004 to find something good about Wenger pretty much says it allQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
And yet you were staunchly supporting him up until the tail end of last season, clearly you didn't think he'd done nothing good since 2004. But then I guess you thought turning on a sixpence and going from one extreme position to the opposite gave you better WUMming opportunities. I'll continue this debate with people who believe what they post.
No one can dispute that AW 'had' an eye for spotting talent. However, a few seasons ago that eye got infected with cataract which has worsened as the seasons went by.
I'm not sure that's fair, it's just not as easy as it used to be when all the top clubs now have a worldwide scouting network. When Wenger came to us no-one knew the European or worldwide game like he did, now other clubs have caught up. He's certainly signed some duds but he did back in the day too. It's easier to overlook that when the trophies keep coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
End of 09/10 actuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The Wigan game.
Ive always said that.
Ah hiding behind the WUM thing when the debate has been lost. A classic Letters trait.
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Originally Posted by Letters
Talk about not fair, look what we as fans have had to endure for the last 6 seasons.....I've been mocked ad nauseum by supporters of rivalling clubs both in the flesh and on forums about our empty trophy cabinet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Oh behave yourself. Endure? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
I've been going to games since about 1990 and I remember far worse seasons that this one - seasons where we've ended up winning a trophy but have been absolutely awful for most of the league campaign and it's been the most boring football imaginable. And I'm not old enough (well, I am, but I didn't take much interest) to remember the Don Howe era.
To be honest if ever there has been a manager who lives off reputation alone, it has to be Arsene Wenger. When we looked a serious doubt for the top 4, I still even read and heard pundits saying we'd be stupid to get rid of him and only he can make us great again etc. There seems to be this mythical aura around him, he is not talked about in the same vein as other managers who can be instantly fighting for their jobs at the first sign of bad form (ie. AVB).
People say no one is bigger than the club but the problem for us is that whether we like it or not, Wenger actually is. It's why some of us can't help but cling on by annually repeating the 'one more year' line. It's like we're stuck in a loveless marriage.
My issues don't stem from the lack of trophies alone, although we probably should have picked up a cup or 2 in recent years, but it's from the belief that when his teams get within touching distance of success or greatness, I'd bet my bottom dollar they won't pull through.
Do you think it's easy to keep a club in the top 4 then? How much money have Chelsea spent and they're struggling this year. To do it so consistently as Wenger has shouldn't be dismissed. Yes, we've crumbled when in touching distance of trophies far too often but I do see some sign that this lot have a bit more fight about them right now. But I thought that around about Christmas time when we'd pulled ourselves into the top 4 and then we slumped again so we'll see.
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
The amount of times i read someone saying "look at what hes done" as a reason not to get rid was laughable. I looked at what hes done and what hes done is sackable in any clubs books with high ambitions.
He deserves full credit for keeping us in the top 4, we as fans need to decide whether we are happy with that being the height of our achievement. Yes that might be the remit of the board, but they're not the ones on the pitch who have consistently let the club down when they're tasked with competing for honours. Again, the trophies alone don't bother me as such, it's the fact that I feel we're unlikely to win one with Wenger again, and ultimatley for a club of our stature, resources, and hell, even playing ability as the last 4 games have shown, can't be good enough surely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Funny you say that until last season, i have been hearing fans going on about how we play the best football etc, The fans were not bothered We never won the CC or FA cup as they were "mickey mouse cups and clubs like Spurs and villa should win them". Fans were happy for us to be Barca light when it suited them. had we still be playing that good football this season i doubt most would be this upset.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
So rival fans tease you, who gives a monkeys at the end of the day, that's why they are rival fans.
Well if their happy with the way the club has been the last 5 years then they are. In their eyes we have been successful and no need to change it. If another manager did not win anything for years they would still be the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yup they do and it sucks assQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
I may be one of the ones Cripps laughs at. .. I am very grateful for what Wenger has done and would say that he deserves to walk when he chooses but. . .there is a frustration inside me rhat wishes that he realises that time and does not choose the run the team/club into the ground like some Vegas addict who just thinks all he needs is one more roll of the dice.
Sure it may take a bit to achieve top four year in and year out, but SAF seems to do it with trophies to boot and we seem to do increasingly by the skin of our teeth. . , for me that is a sign that should be observed.
We may very well do it again this year and get third while we are at it. . .but is that Wengers doing. . .I hazard an answer and say of course in part but less in part than other years. I dont feel Wenger has the team where he wants them, more the team are stepping up, RvP has a fire that is roaring and the others around him are responding, maybe in an attempt to prove that they are the team he should consider sticking around with.
RvP too no doubt is thinking next year, and that more than every we need to build the squad, no doubt pleased with talk ofcearly arrivals, the fans do will be expecting that. There can be no excuse not to buy this summer, Jack coming back yes but plenty to replace. We cannot go into the new season with one striker and if we do, the signs of dissent were there, FY may get his wish of burning effergies and the like.
Am I saying does Wenger deserve another chance? Yes and no because he has done a lot for the club but those laurels have been rested on for too long now and what he seems to be doing now is more harm than good. If there is a chance he can change his stubborn ways then I will pass him the dice, buy now, buy quality and get rid of the dross, if he cant and doesnt see some of his ways are dated and have been sussed then it is time to move on.
A normal, well adjusted and rational person?Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
Brilliant post JSAO
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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
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Ahhh, family BBQ's at Cripps' place. The memories....Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Honour Killings :bow:
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
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After the Manchester teams debacle in mickey mouse champions league ( Europa league ) , them who were tipped favorites after investing so much money ,I wonder if people can't still see the wonderful work Wenger is doing with a limited fund . Yes we were kicked out of the real Champions's League but it was just unfortunate . We were very very close . If only RVP could have put that chance away .... If only Arshavin had stayed and came on instead of Chamack or Park when we were running out of steam ....If only Wilshere or Diaby or Ramsey were fit to replace Chamberlain instead of Chamack or Park , we could be talking different story .I still stick with Wenger . He is the only one at the moment for me . The media plays a big part in people 's opinion . Had Arsenal been out of Europa league , we could have heard everything there is : End of Arsenal , Wenger has lost the plot . Tottenham has overtaken Arsenal ...etc.. . But both United and City have not only kicked out but outplayed and outmuscled by respectively a spanish middle table team and a portuguese team not really among the favorites in Europe . Money talks they say but not this time . Wenger proves again you don't need to invest heavily to have a great team .
Easily my favourite Cult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Well they've certainly looked shite in Europe this year, but one of them will win the league and that is ultimatley where we want to be isn't it? Competing at the top for the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha