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There's no transfer news, not unless you want to hear about who everyone else is signing.
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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
so winning three league titles and three fa cups is never winning? right
What's he won in the last 8 years? right, that's what I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
If you think there is no correlation between improving the squad and us busting every sinew to win 4th place then you are better going back to sleep or dare I say it comaQuote:
Originally Posted by server too busy!
fourth is an acheviement, however for us, it should be the minimum achviement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
the europa league is fair enough what you said, however when one of our fans wants us to go into it because we have more of a chance of wnining instead of getting into last 16 of champions leauge, that too sends out wrong message.
using the teacher analogy, and im going to put it at the time of the quote about it being first trophy. if a kid, a few weeks before his exams, takes some mock exams and gets e's and is devestated because he feels he is a failure, you dont go up to him and shout YOU DIDNT GET AN A, YOU'RE A FUCKING FAILURE, you take him aside, and say if you can get a C from here, you should be really proud, work hard until then, get that C and thats an acheveiment.
Don't kids with less ability take easier exams with a ceiling with a lower grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
For example if you're not good at Maths you take an easier paper and your maximum grade is a C.
Europa League sounds mighty fine to me, better that than getting thumped in the last 16. It's a foregone conclusion we'll lose a game in the knockouts once we play a decent team, it's decided before the match.
Until we show some ambition and sign a better quality of player, we won't have a hope in the CL.
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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
so what you are saying is, you would rather we dropped down a level and only reach C grade standard? then you will moan that the club is aiming high enough and we shouldnt be happy with C grade standard
I'm saying I would rather get knocked out of the group stages and go into the Europa League than get to the last 16 and know we're getting beaten, which is what happens every season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Until we sign some quality it will continue to happen, so yes if we don't sign quality this summer I'd rather we got knocked out in the group stages. At least we'd go into another competition with an outside chance of achieving something.
It's not enjoyable knowing the outcome of a tie before it's taken place.
its still a mindset of wanting the club to fail to start with. you complain that wenger only wants top four yet are happy to want the club to fail to start with to go for an "easier" competition. tad hypocritical no?
Slow twitter day?
No because it's his fault we think like this, with him in charge we have no "hope", that's what he's taken away from us. We're as predictable as they come, our season is like a pre-written script.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Top 4, out of the cups by February/March, last 16 of CL. That's our season.
Transfers are the same, 1 or 2 players of super super quality (which turn out to be a handful of average joe's most of the time) in the summer, nothing in January except once again we'll try and bringing in 1 player if we can find one etc etc.
Ollie: "baah, baah, baah, baah, baah, baah, baah."
This is exactly what I mean when I say Wenger has become a cult leader. His sheep like following have forsaken rationality and much prefer to spout deluded drivel with scant regard to how asinine it makes them sound - even in light of the glaring obvious.
I await to see after we this window closes and the tight wad penny pinches his way to once again assembling a squad he thinks is good enough to catapult us towards the coveted trophy, if he'll be offered any reprieve by even the staunchest of worshipping disciples.
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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
you cant moan about the club being happy with top four, not showing ambition, not competing in the big compeitions and then want them to fail in champions league, drop into an "easier" competition and attempt to win that. thats not showing ambition, thats not competing, thats failing. your argument is so hpyocritical here
So Wenger has been achieving the bare minimum for almost 9 years now? That doesn't sound like a winner to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
If the kid came to the school expecting top grades, regardless of how you try to whitewash it, he knows and you know that he's underachieved with those poor grades. It's not even a C grade we're talking here. Wenger is trying to set a new bench mark with this 4th place trophy shit when it's always been Gold, Silver, Bronze, or 1st, 2nd, 3rd is what gets you on the podium. This 4th place achievement talk is like a polished turd. Not matter how we try to dress it up, the players aren't satisfied and know it's bullshit.
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
yes he has to an extent we should be in the champions league every season, that is our level. when you look at how much money others have thrown to get it and failed (mostly spurs. spurs :pal: ) and given the fact he has worked off a limited budget, its bordering of miraclous how he has done it for 8 years.
we should have won some cups along the way, he has made serious mistakes in those games, ive never denied that, however the board havnt helped him and while for a club like us, 4th is what we have to acheive as a minimum, i dont think he has been supported in helping get us to title challengers.
Yes, yes I can I can do what I like.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
As I said he's the reason we do achieve anything and he's the reason the Europa League makes more sense to me. So there's no hypocrisy there, if he left my opinion would change.
The board have nothing to do with the complacent mentality Wenger has installed in his players and can't tell him how to spend his money, e.g buy a top class striker for £20m, £150k wages, instead of buying two average strikers for £10m a piece. If he told them it's time to go for broke and really go for the title, I doubt they'd tell him to pipe down. The sad thing is, all this noise about going for silverware this year seems to be coming from Gazidis because he knows the fans are growing restless. Wenger should have set the bar higher ages if he felt like he was being short changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
the board to have a part in this, if they have given wenger no money, then what is he supposed to do? and given recent interviews by arteta and jack saying they want to win adn telling the club to spend hardly helps the idea that he has installed a top four is greatest acheievement ever mentality in his players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
there is a lot of noise coming from gazidas not wenger, thats true, i hate that, gazadias should shut the fuck up really and do his talking with getting signings in. also gazidas says he wants world class players, whats stopping him telling wenger that he isnt in charge of prices, he has identified suarez as a target, leave it to me arsene ill go get him.
Back to that point again, there was nothing stopping Wenger from signing a £20m - £25m striker last season on wages of up to £150k.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
were there any 25 million pound strikers last year? of those who were sold, who would we have got? genunie question this. higuain is a no go last year, suarez too and rooney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
ibrahimovich was sold but too far out of range, only one i could think of is dzecko but he just won the league. this year, having 40 million to spend on one player opens up more doors
Yeah the legion of people spouting the same is deafening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner
There's always 25 million strikers out there if you want them badly enough, we just weren't interested.
Citeh are going to/have signed Negredo for £24 million or something.
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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
but who was out there last year that we could realistically have signed for 25 million? i genuninely cant remember. higauin, well we saw what mourinho did to us with a loan for sahin so we can rule that one out, suarez goes for 40, fergie wouldnt have sold us rooney. who else is there?
Bit of a damp squib. When somebody states something you have to listen to ALL their words to understand what they are saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
First comes before second third and fourth. He's not saying his ambition is to be 4th, he's saying 4th is the minimum requirement. The first requirement. Then comes the other trophies and collectively this is the ambition.Quote:
The first trophy is to finish in the top four,"
Of course it's fine saying that. Then you have to investigate the motives. 4th is considered a trophy because it brings in cash and (if we ever fancied getting serious about it) top players who want to play in the CL.
I can see where Wenger is coming from, I understand it and don't feel the need edit his words so I can make shit up. But I don't agree with him. I don't agree with the way the club has gone about doing business over the last 8 years.
It'll be one player and it'll go to deadline day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
so there was not one striker in the whole world that we could have realistically bought for £25m last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
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Yes but you can't ignore how proud he is of getting 4th either, he's often congratulated his players and glorified this achievement, he genuinely thinks this a top achievement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
When it comes to being in the CL and signing players, how does that affect us? We don't sign players of a high enough calibre that that actually matters.
If the guy did everything he could to win I'd understand it more, trouble is he limits us with his strategy and tactics and refuses to see the flaws despite the same pattern appearing season after season.
People don't like to hear it but he has an incentive to achieve 4th and spend little as well, let's not forget what he earns and that by restricting spending it not only allows him to point out how much money he makes the club but also means less pressure on him from the board, since there's little outlay. He justifies his salary and no success by highlighting profit.
As many as that? :woohoo:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
after having a think, looking at the strikers out there, the only one who is close to being world class who we could have got for 25 million is llorente.
of the top strikers in europe that season
van persie left
rooney a no go
higauin a no go
ibravomich too expensive
aguero/dzecko a no go
drogba wouldnt come because he only just left chelsea
canvari is too expensive
david villa is another possible one, but didnt he have a broken leg at the time?
el shawary, well rumours are this usmmer they want 30 plus million for him so i dont think 25 would have got him.
lewandoski/gomez i dont think would come either
trying to think of the top strikers in europe of top of my head adn most of them werent realistic at all sign
Canvari was the biggest must get ever tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
So it goes from not having the money to nobody being available at that price. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
revolutionary, by your logic we can compete by getting rid of all our world class players! oh wait, we already did that...Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
er no, it was me answering your point of whats stopping him signing those players at that price. if he had 25 million to sign a striker last summer, who could we have signed? i answered that. not rocket scienceQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Ayo Ollie, so what happened to your theory that we had Higuain in the bag and that we were waiting to announce him and Rooney at the same time for fear of Utd not selling to us?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I mean now it seems likelier that Napoli will get Higuain and Chelsea are knocking hard on Utd's door for Rooney, no way we can compete with them on that front.
He was in the bag, it's just that Napoli well.....took him out of our bag and put him in their bag when we weren't looking before checkout....thieving so and so's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harland
you mean the theory that i posted, saying there could be something to it but that it wasnt my theory? i felt there could have been something in that theory, thought it could spark an interesting debate so posted it on a message board where people debate such things.
as thinkgs stand, i dont htink we will get higuain, sounds like madrid have been dicks so we now have turned to suarez. guttted we wont get higuain, but if we end up siging suarez instead i wont be too unhappy.
don't worry, we have Suarez in the bag. We just don't want to announce him yet because we might piss off Barca (for reasons unknown) and they will up their price to sell Cesc back to us. We will announce them at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Suarez :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
This is so never happening, please come down from the clouds. The only Suarez you're likely to see in an Arsenal shirt is of his distant relatives who's either just out of nappies or going on the cheap.