Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

[Özim]

There's no transfer news, not unless you want to hear about who everyone else is signing.

[LDG]

[Ollie the Optimist]

A winner who never wins, I like that

He's happy with top 4 face it, he wouldn't go on about it like he does if he wasn't. He praises the team regularly for getting 4th place despite crashing out of every important trophy by February/March.

so winning three league titles and three fa cups is never winning? right

[Özim]

so winning three league titles and three fa cups is never winning? right

What's he won in the last 8 years? right, that's what I thought.

[Globalgunner]

Wtf does this have to do with transfer news, bore off you broken record motherfuckers

If you think there is no correlation between improving the squad and us busting every sinew to win 4th place then you are better going back to sleep or dare I say it coma

[Ollie the Optimist]

But he's said 4th is an achievement right? It's like winning trophy as he puts it?

I just watched an interview where Mourinho has openly said he doesn't want his players to feel as though the Europa League is their competition. It should be considered a disappointment. When our manager is talking about 4th place being an achievement over a domestic cup, it's sending out the wrong message. It sets a low standard in the dressing room because he sets it up as if it's an achievement. Just imagine if your teacher and parents said you should aim for a job in McD's and be content with that? What does that say about your ability?

fourth is an acheviement, however for us, it should be the minimum achviement.

the europa league is fair enough what you said, however when one of our fans wants us to go into it because we have more of a chance of wnining instead of getting into last 16 of champions leauge, that too sends out wrong message.

using the teacher analogy, and im going to put it at the time of the quote about it being first trophy. if a kid, a few weeks before his exams, takes some mock exams and gets e's and is devestated because he feels he is a failure, you dont go up to him and shout YOU DIDNT GET AN A, YOU'RE A FUCKING FAILURE, you take him aside, and say if you can get a C from here, you should be really proud, work hard until then, get that C and thats an acheveiment.

[Özim]

fourth is an acheviement, however for us, it should be the minimum achviement.

the europa league is fair enough what you said, however when one of our fans wants us to go into it because we have more of a chance of wnining instead of getting into last 16 of champions leauge, that too sends out wrong message.

using the teacher analogy, and im going to put it at the time of the quote about it being first trophy. if a kid, a few weeks before his exams, takes some mock exams and gets e's and is devestated because he feels he is a failure, you dont go up to him and shout YOU DIDNT GET AN A, YOU'RE A FUCKING FAILURE, you take him aside, and say if you can get a C from here, you should be really proud, work hard until then, get that C and thats an acheveiment.

Don't kids with less ability take easier exams with a ceiling with a lower grade.

For example if you're not good at Maths you take an easier paper and your maximum grade is a C.

Europa League sounds mighty fine to me, better that than getting thumped in the last 16. It's a foregone conclusion we'll lose a game in the knockouts once we play a decent team, it's decided before the match.

Until we show some ambition and sign a better quality of player, we won't have a hope in the CL.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Don't kids with less ability take easier exams with a ceiling with a lower grade.

For example if you're not good at Maths you take an easier paper and your maximum grade is a C.

Europa League sounds mighty fine to me, better that than getting thumped in the last 16. It's a foregone conclusion we'll lose a game in the knockouts once we play a decent team, it's decided before the match.

so what you are saying is, you would rather we dropped down a level and only reach C grade standard? then you will moan that the club is aiming high enough and we shouldnt be happy with C grade standard

[Özim]

so what you are saying is, you would rather we dropped down a level and only reach C grade standard? then you will moan that the club is aiming high enough and we shouldnt be happy with C grade standard

I'm saying I would rather get knocked out of the group stages and go into the Europa League than get to the last 16 and know we're getting beaten, which is what happens every season.

Until we sign some quality it will continue to happen, so yes if we don't sign quality this summer I'd rather we got knocked out in the group stages. At least we'd go into another competition with an outside chance of achieving something.

It's not enjoyable knowing the outcome of a tie before it's taken place.

[Ollie the Optimist]

its still a mindset of wanting the club to fail to start with. you complain that wenger only wants top four yet are happy to want the club to fail to start with to go for an "easier" competition. tad hypocritical no?