He alwahs seems so depressed i cant believe his decline :(
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He alwahs seems so depressed i cant believe his decline :(
Seriously? :haha:
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WTF! :lol:
When?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
Everybody and their mother knew that Arshavin's best position was down the middle. But Wenger thought he could work his magic and decided to stick him on the wing. He has never had the legs to do that job consistently but he still persisted with it. It pretty much ruined him, he cleary wasn't up for it and it effected his workrate and attitude. Funny enough as sloppy and uninterested as he looks, he is still one of our most productive players which speaks of his quality.
I guess the last time was when he remembered he had to do fuck all and still pick up 50k (or 60k, I'm not sure) per week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks
Dross on huge wages :bow:
Treatment table :bow:
Arsenal :bow:
We must win this league! :trophy:Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
You don't honestly believe that the difference between liability and world class is a few yards to the side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey
Even if he played in the centre he'd have defensive responsibilities, everyone in the side should have that. He's a lazy shite, and that's no ones fault but his own.
Goes without saying tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Gervinho's Forehead
Arsene Knows :bow:
ANytime I have seen him down the middle, he has been brilliant. As Cripps mentioned, he was great at the Euros. I do believe this and it was stupid of Wenger to buy him and play him there. You have to play to your players strengths, Wenger doesnt and that one of the big reasons why we are where we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
No the guy is lazy, and of course he was going to be good at the Euro's. He is the national captain, he'd look a right idiot had he been lazy like he is here. If he cared so much he'd fight for his place imo he is not botherd that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey
I agree Wenger gets it wrong, but that is no reasons for players who under perform to get a free pass.
Too many on here want to let players off because they are played in the wrong place etc. Time to call a spade a spade tbh.
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Originally Posted by JoshGooner
lol he seems to play well everywhere else minus the captaincy but here so that means nothing. you play your players to their strengths, if you don't they will become disinterested and they end up not giving a shit. its the same thing in real life, the guy who hates his job most likely not perform at the same level as the guy who loves it. it is a simple concept, one that you are dismissing far too quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
He had a decent 30 mins at the Euros, the rest of the time he has his lazy gobshite self.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey
fair enough, i disagree
He had a good burst at the Euros and then turned to into his usual half-assed ineffectual self.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey
It was like his Arsenal career summed up in three games.
If he hates his job then why has he not moved on despite being an outcast more or less, seems happy enough to sit down and collect the wages they pay him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey
Lets be the way we play our players interchange anyways. So its not like he is on the right all the time. Don't think because he plays on the wing, should be an excuse for him to be poor.
Its basically like been asked by you boss to switch offices with the guy on the corner, with the rubbish view of outside. Does this mean you should not do the work to the best of your ability, because you hate that you have a bad view.
Well most of his Arsenal career was based on one game vs hoof.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Play him in the right position and he'll be fine. He's our most creative player and people critisising him for his defensive play :doh: We all saw how good he was at the Euros so he's still go it.
Everyone must take responsibilty for tracking back and defending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
regardless its not the point im making. the way our manager has gone about about managing the players in our team has been sub par. thats my point. Arshavin is a perfect example of this. I hardly doubt Zenit were calling him lazy before he came. they wanted him back for ffs. you have to ask why that is, i doubt that its just laziness as some claim to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
He's a lazy shit end off, just cause you play him a few yards of where he wants to be, don't mean he should not put in the effort. Guy has no pride or no passion or no ambition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Why don't he try to leave and go to a club that will give him what he wants?
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Originally Posted by Cripps
its craziness, i dont understand it.
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gervinho's Forehead
Your example did not support your point - and that is my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey
Welcome to GW. Apparently Zidane, Messi, Ronaldo etc are shit cos they can't defend :haha: Its pathetic. Whenever this guy has been given a run, he scores and assists and he tries to make things happen. That's what this team needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey
ok thats fine, maybe i should have included his time at Zenit without being captain? and with Russia previously? the guy was a world class player at the time we got him, he played CF and Wenger stuck him on the wing. his performances dropped off ever since, I attribute this to the way he has been used not laziness. thats like putting Bergkakmp (im not saying he as good quality wise) on the wing and criticizing him for being a shit defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
No one said he was shit cause he don't or can't defend, stop twisting things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
I'm not criticising his defending - I have a problem with every single aspect of his game. This is not down to a lack of ability and talent, because he has shitloads of that. He just can't be assed to consistently apply himself.
When he does - he looks magic, like he did in the first match at the Euros, only to just give up.
And that was nothing to do with Wenger - or anyone else, it was down to him and his mentality.
I'd rather we have a decent DM who did that so our offensive players didn't have to. Pires was a bit shit at it but he didn't have to cos Gilberto was the best in the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by Gervinho's Forehead
Well no, everyone in the team, has to take that responsibility not just the DM. Theo and Poldi seem to manage it when on the wing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Even will teams like City and Utd they all help defending, not just leave it to the dm.
This was the same with Denilson, thought he did not have to do this cause of his role and he kept fucking up.
Obviously he has to defend. I don't expect him to stand around and let people dribble past him and credit to him, he tries. He isn't very good though. He's an attacking player though so I don't care much for his defensive work. If his attacking play suffered which it hasn't then critisisie him all you wantQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
We talking about our poor manager who is all BDSM'd up by the board or Arshavin? :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
They absolutely were. Some people on here even warned about it before he came.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Same been said about the 70min Pod too.
BDSM'd ?Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Like i said if he don't want to be here then why don't he ask for a move?
berti vogts said this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Injury Time
Was it! :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Injury Time
Would be nice if we could get 70mins a season out of Pod.
Ok I was exaggerating 69 mins...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gervinho's Forehead