What is Wenger playing at?
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What is Wenger playing at?
Dunno. Wenger said he wants to hang on to him though and we're only one game in, so lets see. He might get a chance soon.
He's going to be sold or more likely loaned out before the end of the window.
Get his fitness back he ran himself into the ground at world cup. I imagine if he doesn't get sold he'll get a run in the cups this year.
When Wenger makes up his mind about a pet project. He goes about it with the single mindedness of a zealot. Criticising him or the player will just make him more adamant to prove everyone wrong.
He will continue to play Sanogo even when it is obvious to the blind that he isnt good enough. Fair play to Wenger he gives kids a chance, but shouldn't that be for special kids like Cesc?, Reyes. Instead he continued to play Eboue, Senderos, Djourou, even when they were costing us games and points. It all goes back to his personal philosophies and the absence of pressure on him to succeed. If your job was on the line, you wouldn't allow your subordinates to mess you up further. Campbell is a better player, Akpom probably too, but they wont get a look in until it is overwhelmingly and conclusively proven that Yaya wont make it, Sometime circa 2017, I think.
Sanogo is Sunday league quality and i mean that. He doee not have anything about him that worries defenders. Campbell is more experienced and has scored goals in big leagues before so should be automatically ahead of Sanogo.
I think Wenger sees Campbell as a wide forward ala Theo or Alexis, Sanogo is seen as a Centre Forward, essentially Giroud's number two.
Wenger obviously sees something in Sanogo, I kind of do too but I would prefer if he was developed away from our first team, ideally at another PL Club. IMO The problem we face at the moment is that Sanogo hasn't really shown enough promise/potential to be viewed as an attractive loan for another PL club so we are stuck with developing him in our first team.
FWIW, I do think he will come good, he reminds me of Ade when he first came here.
Yeah, like selassie says, if we're talking about a direct swap then it's probably just a simple case of the manager seeing them as two different types of forward; one CF, and one wide attacker. I suppose you could make the argument that we could have made an indirect swap, with Alexis playing CF, and Campbell taking Alexis's place in wide attack, but then you're getting into different types of CFs: a pacey, tricky runner vs a big target man - maybe they just anticipated Palace coming to sit back and defend in numbers, and opted for the big target man?
:gp: - Absolutely spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
If you're right, there lies the problem with our manager. Campbell could play wide but has shown at C.L level last year & at the world cup that he can do some damage as an out & out striker. What has Sonogo shown?Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
The kid is a million miles away from being able to compete in the P.L & do a service to the team.
I watched the benfica game in a bar in Turkey & I remember thinking "Fuck it" - Wenger will now be vindicated that he has bought this kid & will play him more, the Benfica defence was a joke & we don't play teams like that in the P.L. - he needs to go out on loan for a few years but to be honest I'm not sure he would improve any teams even in the Championship or Div 1.
Im not sure what to make of Joel Campbell. In 117 appearances in club football, he has 17 goals. Hardly a prolific return. Yes he played well in the world cup and is probably better then Sanogo in terms of finishing, however I don't think his hold up play is. Our system is based around a hold up striker which Giroud does pretty well, and Sanogo does do this ok, he causes problems for defence, more because they haven't got a clue what he will do next and neither does he, but I don't think Campbell would do this, nor would Alexis or Theo. I can see Campbell replacing Podolski on the left, but he does have a lot to prove.
Campbell may have a lot to prove but at least he's supplied basic proof of being a footballer. Sanogo has yet to do that. A rampaging, drunken, epileptic farmer could cause a lot of problems for defenders too and would provide almost as much randomness and unpredictability as Sanogo, but alcoholic, diseased farmers won't necessarily get you the goals you need to mount a title challenge.
He was very very young at Betis and didn't score many goals but they continued to play him so they must have seen something in him. Same for Olympiakos, you don't become a regular starter for the best team in Greece without having talent. Sangogo needs to be loaned out as soon as possible and Campbell deserves to be starting, few players at his ripe age get regular football 3 seasons running. Lets not forget that he has a prolific goalscoring record at all youth levels for costa ricaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
its really a joke that for the amount of quality we have in our midfield and defence that are striking options could be so bad. Does anyone remember a time in the last 14 years when arsenal had worse striking options then they do now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
No - my grandad probably couldn't remember a worst choice of striking options for Arsenal ( if he wasn't dead ) - but I don't see him bringing anyone in - we'll never know if his unbelievable decision to not bolster the attack in Jan cost us the title last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks
people are talking about Sanchez & Walcot being pushed up top but they are not natural finishers or guys likely to bang a 12 yard header in from a cross. If we can't find anyone abroad & don't want to spend Cavani money I think a punt for Bonny woud have been worth a shout or even Jay Rodriguez.
a 75 million punt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Post of the year tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
who's worth £75 mill that I mentioned?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks
I notice that those whining in this thread are exactly the same lot in tears that Jenkinson has been facked off :haha:
Sanogos agent is a mug for not giving him the "lifelong gooner me" script.
That's where we're going wrong with our system. This obsession with finding some brute of a player up front, looking at physical attributes and hold up play instead of goal scoring ability and pace that scares the life out of defenders. We've moved away from what we had in Wright, Anelka and Henry and it's costing us. When RVP was fit for a season, we had a glimpse of what a top striker should be doing but now we're back to these big old lumps and it started with Adebayor, continued with Chamakh and now we're on to Giroud and Sanogo. Guys that have serious problems hitting the back of the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
I don't see the harm in trying Sanchez or Walcott up front? What's the worse that can happen? When we played Walcott up top a couple of seasons back, he looked a menace and the tempo of the game was totally different. At worse, we play a little guy up front and he struggles like with what we saw when Theo played Bayern but is that any different to what we're seeing with these big guys we keep playing?
That and the fact Jenkinson is ten times the player, despite the fact he's average.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
We'll be all kinds of lucky if another prem team takes Sanogo and he plays enough games to make it worth while.
A loan club is actually really hard to predict for him but the learning shouldn't come at our expense as many have said and I still find it farcical he played against the best team in the world and one of the best teams in years only last season vs Bayern when he was even less ready than he is nnow........ and we seem more incensed that he played against Palace!
Youll see Jenkinson for what he is this season, if he gets a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
At least Sanogo is younger. Jenkinson is the finished article tbh.
Sanogo is younger by a year but he is not the finished article while Jenks is? I seriously hope he comes back and makes it at Arsenal. I bet you would leave GW by then and probably the world..Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
He went from a massive meh signing to a long term injury to a curiosity to a novelty to a horrific realisation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
He has a hamstring injury so he should be out for a few weeks at least.
Sanogo is dogshite, he should never be playing for us, I'm not sure how likely it is he'll ever score a goal for us in any game but a friendly, he's had enough opportunities to.
Jenkinson's script has to be the best of all time. What with having generations before him sticking to it for decades.
Thought you might have meant Joel given the thread title, but I see you mean...Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by physio room
Only Wenger would persist with a striker that's scored 0 goals in 13 months.
honestly believe Campbell is the best striker at the club now. Giroud is just balls
I don't think that Campbell isn't going to be with us much longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks
why sell our best striker though?Quote:
Originally Posted by adzzzbatch
the day giroud leaves will be a great day for this club
I have that feeling as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by adzzzbatch
Deadline day loan move tbh.
No other reason why he hasn't been given a sniff in 2 matches when we were chasing a goal.
Inexplicable if it happens. The Sanogo thing isn't funny any more and needs to end. If Campbell's off then we need to sign a striker for sure.
I reckon we didn't plan for Campbell to be involved this season, but because of his performances over the past year he's forced his way into consideration and Wenget doesn't know what to do now.
When Sanogo and Giroud are stinking up the place we could at least give the lad a chance, even just a 20min cameo of the bench.
Not sure, it'll become clearer if we manage to have a game without an injury or sending off.
So not going to get a chance then :(Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...