Why isn't Joel Campbell being picked ahead of Sangogo?

[selassie]

I think Wenger sees Campbell as a wide forward ala Theo or Alexis, Sanogo is seen as a Centre Forward, essentially Giroud's number two.

Wenger obviously sees something in Sanogo, I kind of do too but I would prefer if he was developed away from our first team, ideally at another PL Club. IMO The problem we face at the moment is that Sanogo hasn't really shown enough promise/potential to be viewed as an attractive loan for another PL club so we are stuck with developing him in our first team.

FWIW, I do think he will come good, he reminds me of Ade when he first came here.

[I am invisible]

Yeah, like selassie says, if we're talking about a direct swap then it's probably just a simple case of the manager seeing them as two different types of forward; one CF, and one wide attacker. I suppose you could make the argument that we could have made an indirect swap, with Alexis playing CF, and Campbell taking Alexis's place in wide attack, but then you're getting into different types of CFs: a pacey, tricky runner vs a big target man - maybe they just anticipated Palace coming to sit back and defend in numbers, and opted for the big target man?

[Dein-machine]

I think Wenger sees Campbell as a wide forward ala Theo or Alexis, Sanogo is seen as a Centre Forward, essentially Giroud's number two.

Wenger obviously sees something in Sanogo, I kind of do too but I would prefer if he was developed away from our first team, ideally at another PL Club. IMO The problem we face at the moment is that Sanogo hasn't really shown enough promise/potential to be viewed as an attractive loan for another PL club so we are stuck with developing him in our first team.

FWIW, I do think he will come good, he reminds me of Ade when he first came here.

If you're right, there lies the problem with our manager. Campbell could play wide but has shown at C.L level last year & at the world cup that he can do some damage as an out & out striker. What has Sonogo shown?
The kid is a million miles away from being able to compete in the P.L & do a service to the team.
I watched the benfica game in a bar in Turkey & I remember thinking "Fuck it" - Wenger will now be vindicated that he has bought this kid & will play him more, the Benfica defence was a joke & we don't play teams like that in the P.L. - he needs to go out on loan for a few years but to be honest I'm not sure he would improve any teams even in the Championship or Div 1.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Im not sure what to make of Joel Campbell. In 117 appearances in club football, he has 17 goals. Hardly a prolific return. Yes he played well in the world cup and is probably better then Sanogo in terms of finishing, however I don't think his hold up play is. Our system is based around a hold up striker which Giroud does pretty well, and Sanogo does do this ok, he causes problems for defence, more because they haven't got a clue what he will do next and neither does he, but I don't think Campbell would do this, nor would Alexis or Theo. I can see Campbell replacing Podolski on the left, but he does have a lot to prove.

[Niall_Quinn]

Campbell may have a lot to prove but at least he's supplied basic proof of being a footballer. Sanogo has yet to do that. A rampaging, drunken, epileptic farmer could cause a lot of problems for defenders too and would provide almost as much randomness and unpredictability as Sanogo, but alcoholic, diseased farmers won't necessarily get you the goals you need to mount a title challenge.

[Dicks and chicks]

Campbell may have a lot to prove but at least he's supplied basic proof of being a footballer. Sanogo has yet to do that. A rampaging, drunken, epileptic farmer could cause a lot of problems for defenders too and would provide almost as much randomness and unpredictability as Sanogo, but alcoholic, diseased farmers won't necessarily get you the goals you need to mount a title challenge.

its really a joke that for the amount of quality we have in our midfield and defence that are striking options could be so bad. Does anyone remember a time in the last 14 years when arsenal had worse striking options then they do now?

[Dein-machine]

its really a joke that for the amount of quality we have in our midfield and defence that are striking options could be so bad. Does anyone remember a time in the last 14 years when arsenal had worse striking options then they do now?

No - my grandad probably couldn't remember a worst choice of striking options for Arsenal ( if he wasn't dead ) - but I don't see him bringing anyone in - we'll never know if his unbelievable decision to not bolster the attack in Jan cost us the title last year.
people are talking about Sanchez & Walcot being pushed up top but they are not natural finishers or guys likely to bang a 12 yard header in from a cross. If we can't find anyone abroad & don't want to spend Cavani money I think a punt for Bonny woud have been worth a shout or even Jay Rodriguez.

[Dicks and chicks]

No - my grandad probably couldn't remember a worst choice of striking options for Arsenal ( if he wasn't dead ) - but I don't see him bringing anyone in - we'll never know if his unbelievable decision to not bolster the attack in Jan cost us the title last year.
people are talking about Sanchez & Walcot being pushed up top but they are not natural finishers or guys likely to bang a 12 yard header in from a cross. If we can't find anyone abroad & don't want to spend Cavani money I think a punt for Bonny woud have been worth a shout or even Jay Rodriguez.

a 75 million punt?

[Dicks and chicks]

Im not sure what to make of Joel Campbell. In 117 appearances in club football, he has 17 goals. Hardly a prolific return. Yes he played well in the world cup and is probably better then Sanogo in terms of finishing, however I don't think his hold up play is. Our system is based around a hold up striker which Giroud does pretty well, and Sanogo does do this ok, he causes problems for defence, more because they haven't got a clue what he will do next and neither does he, but I don't think Campbell would do this, nor would Alexis or Theo. I can see Campbell replacing Podolski on the left, but he does have a lot to prove.

He was very very young at Betis and didn't score many goals but they continued to play him so they must have seen something in him. Same for Olympiakos, you don't become a regular starter for the best team in Greece without having talent. Sangogo needs to be loaned out as soon as possible and Campbell deserves to be starting, few players at his ripe age get regular football 3 seasons running. Lets not forget that he has a prolific goalscoring record at all youth levels for costa rica

[Power n Glory]

Im not sure what to make of Joel Campbell. In 117 appearances in club football, he has 17 goals. Hardly a prolific return. Yes he played well in the world cup and is probably better then Sanogo in terms of finishing, however I don't think his hold up play is. Our system is based around a hold up striker which Giroud does pretty well, and Sanogo does do this ok, he causes problems for defence, more because they haven't got a clue what he will do next and neither does he, but I don't think Campbell would do this, nor would Alexis or Theo. I can see Campbell replacing Podolski on the left, but he does have a lot to prove.

That's where we're going wrong with our system. This obsession with finding some brute of a player up front, looking at physical attributes and hold up play instead of goal scoring ability and pace that scares the life out of defenders. We've moved away from what we had in Wright, Anelka and Henry and it's costing us. When RVP was fit for a season, we had a glimpse of what a top striker should be doing but now we're back to these big old lumps and it started with Adebayor, continued with Chamakh and now we're on to Giroud and Sanogo. Guys that have serious problems hitting the back of the net.

I don't see the harm in trying Sanchez or Walcott up front? What's the worse that can happen? When we played Walcott up top a couple of seasons back, he looked a menace and the tempo of the game was totally different. At worse, we play a little guy up front and he struggles like with what we saw when Theo played Bayern but is that any different to what we're seeing with these big guys we keep playing?