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Pot One: Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Benfica, Chelsea, Juventus, Paris St. Germain, Zenit, PSV Eindhoven
Pot Two: The Arsenal , Atletico Madrid, Bayer Leverkusen, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid, Porto, Valencia
Pot Three: CSKA Moscow, Dynamo Kiev, Lyon, Olympiakos, Galatasaray, Roma, Shakhtar Donetsk, Sevilla
Pot Four: Astana, BATE Borisov, Borussia Monchengladbach, Wolfsburg, Dinamo Zagreb, Maccabi Tel-Aviv, Gent, Malmo
Meh.. might as well give us the money and eliminate us. No point wasting time and energy getting humbled in Europe in the knockout rounds. :yawn:
Yeah exactly, we know what's going to happen, the only one who doesn't is Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Barcelona
Arsenal
Roma
Wolfsburg
Who the hell are Astana? No doubt United will get them.
There's no guarantee we'll even make it to the group stages now that we're not in the top pot :(Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Hopefully we get the hardest group possible. We all know how far we'll go in the competition, so why not get the pretence out of the way early or at least watch some real games instead of more false hope against no-hopers.
My main reasons for caring about this competition is that it's on BT Sport and at a time when I'd prefer watching live football compared to the usual pile of crap on TV at those times. If it was on Sky, I'd care very little.
Hopefully we will at least do better than the first knock out round, but according to our business plan, we don't need to, so we won't.
Its amazing - we all shit ourselves until the final relief of a top 4 finish is confirmed & then we feel like the posts above in relation to the start of the Champions league. Not knocking you guys because I feel exactly the same. The real truth of the matter is that we should have missed out on qualification 4 or 5 years ago for a few years on the spin resulting in Wenger's departure. The consistent top 4 finishes have simply increased the club's finances & Wengers bank balance whilst condemning any chance we had of competing at top level.
That's the draw we need. Always nice to watch proper tippy tappy being played & we need to finish last to make sure we don't get the Europa cup. Mind you, would be good to win the Europa & then read Letters posts telling us we're all wrong about Wenger because we've won another "major" trophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
This is the year we win the Carling Cup and it automatically gets upgraded to a "major" trophy. We`ll have to beat the spuds at home first tho`
fucking hell. The tears are so very real.
Barcelona would be, at least it'd be entertaining.
No point in us being in the CL as far as football is concerned so i say get out early and concentrate on the run in for top 3.
I plan on going to the 3 home games because I don't have BT Sport, so I'd quite like a strong group.
Cat B prices for potentially Cat A fixtures. :jumpnana:
Wenger has comprehensively smashed all expectation and ground it to dust under his shoe. He's peerless in this respect. Draw is fairly immaterial anyway. This year we jump out to an early lead in the group, everything is in our own hands, then we collapse into second, draw a decent team in the knockout stages, lose badly in the first leg, almost recover in the second leg but go out in a blaze of glorious failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Anyone want to bet it will be different?
Stop watching football then. You can claim you're a diehard fan and it's in your blood and your family's blood and whatever shit you want - it's not your child, if it was you wouldn't keep slagging it off and moaning your tits off. If it's so inevitable and if it's so shit, do something else with your time other than moaning on the internet about little you care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Why should I stop watching football because of Wenger? I'll still be here when he's gone. But in the meantime if the rule is happy, happy, happy, diehard fans, then rules are there to be broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
If everyone shut up and accepted everything then we'd really never see a change, would we?
Are you taking the bet?
Whinging about it on the Internet isn't making any difference or won't bring about any change. If you don't want to accept it, walk away. Stop watching Arsenal and when enough people do, there won't be enough revenue coming in and the club will need to make changes. Even the tourists are after glory. At the moment, you lot are like Jehovah's witnesses. Utterly irrelevant. No-one's reading negative comments about Wenger or Arsenal and thinking 'oh that's a good point, I'm revising my view about the club', they're thinking 'what a pillock' and going even more in support of Wenger to counter the opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Betfair will take your bet. Be sure to post a pic of the receipt.
I would bet on exactly the same happening in the C.L. as recent years, in the same way that I would have bet on Wenger not strengthening the squad where needed in the summer & the same way that I will bet on us not competing for the league title this year - we have Ground-Hog day every year under Wenger, you could already lay the same bets for 2016/2107 season.
Not certain that anyone is posting here with the expectation of making the headlines. It's a discussion forum. You can talk to somebody on the street and complain about whatever you like, won't make a difference, nobody will hear it. Does it mean you say nothing? Why does anyone post here? Good game, bad game, what difference does it make what people think at any given time? The point is to share opinions with people who have a shared interest. Humans are social creatures, everyone wants to have an opinion even though, as the old saying about arseholes goes, everyone has one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
I popped onto another forum yesterday, much bigger than this one, and it's the same. Disbelief at Wenger's latest antics and his inability to learn. His stubbornness, his prehistoric methods. It was all there, just like here. And I'm betting I could visit another 20 forums and it would be the same. Arsenal fans talking. It's normal. And while individual views don't amount to much when they join the sea of combined views and a consensus develops then that does mean something and it can influence things.
If everyone shuts up instead and just accepts things then there's a distinct danger some might take that as approval of the shit that's being shovelled up. Surely we don't want that?
Anyway, I'll continue pissing in the sea because it's fun to do, satisfies that social requirement, keeps me away from work. All good things.
Basically, Wenger out.
If you don't want to here whinging about Arsenal - why are you on this site. Do you want to only talk about potential signings & how unlucky we were to get raped by West Ham. Its so-called Gooners like you who are drenched in the mediocre piss that Wenger has served up for 10 years who I can't listen to, Nq's points are relevant for all to see & he's doing so on an Arsenal fan forum. Telling him to stop watching Arsenal because an old French retard is taking the piss out of a club he supported way before Wenger joined & one he'll support way after he's gone is pathetic on a forum. Maybe its you that needs to stop reading the posts if you don't like them - rather than NQ becoming a Spud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Fair point. It's quite clear all that is left here is you miserable retards. Quality control is non existent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Agree with a lot of that. But the one positive to take from Syn's post is that maybe fans need to stop watching the games. Just so the message is even more clear to Wenger and the Board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It's sport Syn, competition. Striving to be the best. When you don't do that then people are going to get pissed. Football club, not hobby project. More people want the hobbyist out so we can get back to the point of this sport. Competing. Winning NOT demanded, 100% desire and effort to win very much demanded. We enter the CL with zero chance of winning and almost zero chance of progressing beyond the usual stage. We all know it. This isn't because Arsenal is a turd club or we don't have the players. We know what the reason is. Not because we're guessing but because we were here last season and the season before and before and before and before. What are we trying to pretend here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
How are we going to stop watching? After all these years, just stop. The space we leave will be filled with full kit wankers from Korea and the club won't care. There's no stopping, we just have to wait it out and hope the players somehow prevail despite the manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Maybe or maybe some of the deluded Wengerites on here are beginning to see what others have seen for years but still can't stand by & listen to their beloved leader being slagged off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
its different. Very different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
James down the pub: CL draw today, who do you want?
Abdul: 'what's the fucking point, we all know we're getting knocked out.
James: yeah but who would you like us to play against?
Abdul: who gives a fuck, I don't care about it at all, we all know what's going to happen
James: you're a miserable cunt.
Abdul: I know.
Not every possible discussion needs to descend into 'oh what's the point...Wenger's a cunt'. This is a draw about playing in the champions league group stages. Top 32 teams in Europe. And look at the first page. It's embarrassing.
But anyway I think you are right - It's my fault for looking here because we know what GW is these days. Ground down to the lowest common denominator.
Full kit wankers from Korea only care about teams that win. Teams that win need to make money in order to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It's GW's fault that expectations are rock bottom and virtually nobody believes we can compete in this competition?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
You don't feel that has anything to do with the manager that has lowered expectations to this level? I'd agree with you if this was the first, second, third, fifth, ninth (maybe not ninth) go around the wheel.
Yay, who do you want in the draw?
Let's hope we get Bate, let's hope we avoid Real.
Why's that?
Well, we could get through to the knockout stages.
Then what happens?
Fuuuuuck... :ilt:
Well look, cheer up, let's just enjoy the football in the early round.
Deal.
So which team do you think he will pick?
Fuuuuuuuck... :ilt:
Well look, forget that, do you think we can get a result?
Absolutely!
But can we get one when it really counts?
Fuuuuuuuck... :ilt:
Come off it. How many times do we have to surf the wave when we know exactly where the rocks are?
I'm realistic about where we are as a club. That's why I talk about first impressions about Gabriel, good performances by Ox and Coquelin, and bad performances by Sanchez or Giroud. That's what I discuss. Outside Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich, no sets of fans expects to win this competition. But we are here - every fucking year, the top 32 in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Maybe our ticket prices demand more - for the club to start caring, you have to stop caring. That's how this works. Be intelligent enough to understand that. And also be intelligent enough to understand that repeatedly saying you don't care doesn't mean you don't care.
I certainly don't expect to win it - get through the group stage by playing good football & not shitting ourselves away from home against inferior opposition would be nice - give a decent account of ourselves afterwards, maybe a qtr final or semi - be quite happy with that because that's probably the best we could expect bearing in mind who we're up against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
But even that is not why I was encouraged to pay vast amounts of money for 2 season tickets when moving from Highbury. We were competing in those days against Real & Barca. Bayern weren't even winning their league in those days. No Oiligarchs or Saudi princes have bought those clubs to my knowledge, they haven't moved into a stadium doubling their capacity. So after the promises of the Stadium move to be a dominant European force - maybe I shouldn't be happy with a qtr or semi final. Maybe I should expect to have Lewandowski upfront for us with Vidal as DM rather than Giroud & Coquelin ( which would have been Giroud & Arteta had Wenger not been forced to play Coq last year ). When somethings costing me £2500 a year, should I be happy with that & not moan.
You have to stop caring about the club you've supported your whole life so a bunch of suits and a manager who supports them more than he supports us can make hay? Isn't that dereliction and cutting your nose off?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
As an alternative, why not join the growing chorus of disapproval? Does that stand any less chance off success than disappearing? Wouldn't this board and manager just love it if all dissenters went away? Is that really the intelligent way to proceed?
I have realistic expectations for the club too. That's why the manager has to go. I don't expect to win anything, as I have already said. I demand we compete to the very best of our capabilities though. It's professional sport FFS! Not 2% short or little bit lack sharpness, but 100% on it and leave the pitch knowing that everything that was planned before we stepped on the pitch has been executed. If we lose then chances are we have lost to a better side. Throwing away games due to a ridiculous belief in fairies and pixies is what pisses me off, and I suspect most other fans.
There's nothing realistic about what Wenger does, unless it comes to money and then of course he is the ultimate housekeeper.
But he's not even a good housekeeper anymore in relation to money. A good housekeeper wouldn't have spent the money on the likes of Chamakh, Giroud & Welbeck because its not good house-keeping. A good housekeeper would spent the same kind of money in bringing in a proven striker rather than spending that money on 3 players hoping they become proven strikers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If he was at all serious about Suarez, it would prove he does know what kind of striker our system requires but then if he knows this, why are all the strikers he's bought nothing like Suarez.
I meant share price, cash in bank, balance sheet, the important stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
your chorus of disapproval is cowardly. None of you do it in front of the cameras where it can make a difference, as you said - no-one expects to make a difference moaning here. But you do it anyway. Because it's therapeutic for you. In your mundane lives, it helps to you to let your frustrations out about an all-for-profit organisation who you claim doesn't give a fuck about you. Fuck the rest who might want to talk about something interesting to them like individual player performances. It doesn't matter, because individual performances don't matter until you have a shiny trophy to put on your supporters CV. The loudest e-voices get their e-voice across and everything boils down to Wenger being a stubborn twat. Good work. Real martyrs you lot are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Syn's on the lagers
But its all relevent. Spend £100 mill on 3 shit keeprs & 3 shit strikers = less cash in the bank. Share price may be unaffected. Balance sheet rises with higher assets but shit assets don't appreciate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Spend £200 mill on 1 top keeper, 1 top DM, 1 top attacking midfielder & 1 top striker = less cash in the bank initially but this can be refunded by shirt sales & better success ie Winning something or even staying in the C.L. longer, improved share price in relation to success & more exposure world wide that runs parallel to success. Increase in balance sheet with the potential of these quality assets appreciating.
Dont know what you're on about.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
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Yeah you're just off on one now, having not listened as is demonstrated by the "shiny CV" nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Where's the camera? I'll say it. All in all a bit odd. Individual voices mean fuck all, you say, but when they become a chorus then that's "cowardly"? The brave thing would be to stop following the club? I don't agree and I can't think many other fans would agree.
Why do we watch sport at all? Talking about it is an extension of the reason. Same as talking about a movie or a hobby or the weather. Weather happens - people talk about it. Why? Does it change the weather? Conclusion - nobody should ever talk about the weather.
There's an endless stream of talk about players and their performances on this site. What are you getting at here?
All for profit organisations? Agreed. And I know what you are saying when you say don't consume. But sport and football in general are not off the shelf consumer items. That's the point. These fuckers are trying to turn it into just that. Fans will complain, it is normal and required if only in an attempt to slow the pace. These bastards might laugh their arses off in provate rooms but all of them value their fake public image, so there's always a little dance that goes on where they engineer things behind the scenes to maximise their own returns then kick a little back so they can carry on pretending they are the good guys. Happens in every walk of life, not just sport. That little kick back vanishes if everyone just shuts up or it is left to the genuinely cowardly and brain dead to consume come what may and without a whimper.
You have this one wrong Syn. Completely. Sounds like you are just pissed off for the day, which is fine.
It's like Claude vs. Ty.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
How has that not spilled? :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn