Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
its different. Very different.

James down the pub: CL draw today, who do you want?
Abdul: 'what's the fucking point, we all know we're getting knocked out.
James: yeah but who would you like us to play against?
Abdul: who gives a fuck, I don't care about it at all, we all know what's going to happen
James: you're a miserable cunt.
Abdul: I know.

Not every possible discussion needs to descend into 'oh what's the point...Wenger's a cunt'. This is a draw about playing in the champions league group stages. Top 32 teams in Europe. And look at the first page. It's embarrassing.

But anyway I think you are right - It's my fault for looking here because we know what GW is these days. Ground down to the lowest common denominator.
It's GW's fault that expectations are rock bottom and virtually nobody believes we can compete in this competition?

You don't feel that has anything to do with the manager that has lowered expectations to this level? I'd agree with you if this was the first, second, third, fifth, ninth (maybe not ninth) go around the wheel.

Yay, who do you want in the draw?
Let's hope we get Bate, let's hope we avoid Real.
Why's that?
Well, we could get through to the knockout stages.
Then what happens?
Fuuuuuck...
Well look, cheer up, let's just enjoy the football in the early round.
Deal.
So which team do you think he will pick?
Fuuuuuuuck...
Well look, forget that, do you think we can get a result?
Absolutely!
But can we get one when it really counts?
Fuuuuuuuck...

Come off it. How many times do we have to surf the wave when we know exactly where the rocks are?