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Alexandre Lacazette - OFFICIAL BID turned down
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It's been widely reported that Lyon want 40m, if we really want him then just pay up. He's their prized asset so I doubt there is going to be much room for negotiation.
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Originally Posted by
Munchies
Classy club.
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Just bid the money if you want him FFS.
Give an extra £10m if it makes any difference, help Lyon out in their battle against PSG
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Originally Posted by
LDG
Classy club.
Hopefully it gets Wenger to wake up. They want money for him, they've said he can leave for the right price.
They must've been pissed off to make it public.
We're offering less than West ham!
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Originally Posted by
LDG
Classy club.
They're denying receiving an offr of 48 million Euros, saying they received an offer of 35 million Euros but them stipulating that he's not for sale as he's irreplaceable and one of their key players. Also mentioned that they should have been contacted before this false 48 million bid was made public, as it caused some confusion when they published their club turnover.
Nothing wrong with that really.
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Originally Posted by
Munchies
We're offering less than West ham!
We really are cheap, not sure why we'd think we'd get him for less than another club has offered, what is wrong with us, it's almost like we want it to look like we're trying to sign him without actually doing so.
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Interesting to know when the bid was made. If it's just an opening bid, then fair enough but if Lyon were really interested in selling, I'm not sure they'd rush out and make a statement to deny a larger bid. They'd look pretty shitty to their fans if we came back with a larger bid and they then did sell.
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Originally Posted by
Özim
We really are cheap, not sure why we'd think we'd get him for less than another club has offered, what is wrong with us, it's almost like we want it to look like we're trying to sign him without actually doing so.
£1 for Suarez comes to mind
If we wanted him, £50m would've done the job
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Originally Posted by
Munchies
£1 for Suarez comes to mind
If we wanted him, £50m would've done the job
Yeah, very suspicious of the club these days, I'm starting to think they make low ball offers so that there's no chance they will get someone but so that the fans think they are trying to sign players, if West Ham offered more you pretty much know you won't get him for less so it makes no sense.
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Apparently we had the choice to follow up on our original offer but didn't
Arsenal :doh:
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Lacazette has scored 63 goals in 3 seasons
Who else is out there. Don't fuck it up Wenger.
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Originally Posted by
Munchies
Apparently we had the choice to follow up on our original offer but didn't
Arsenal :doh:
Sounds like they want to sell. All the signals are there aren't they?
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Originally Posted by
Munchies
Apparently we had the choice to follow up on our original offer but didn't
Arsenal :doh:
No surprises there then.
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Originally Posted by
Munchies
Apparently we had the choice to follow up on our original offer but didn't
Arsenal :doh:
What was actually said is that we made a bid and Lyon did not follow up on the offer. They didn't respond to us full stop
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A bit shithouse from Lyon to make this public - I'm guessing they're trying to raise interest from other suitors to drive up the price but I'm glad at least we've made some movement in the window to get a striker.
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We've bid £29m. What's adding another £11m to that when Wenger has already said we need a striker with pace? We must have identified other targets if we're willing to walk away from this deal. I doubt we have but we act as if we do. That's why other clubs spend over the odds for certain players. The manager sees the quality they want in a player and they make sure they get him if they're essential to the plan.
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Originally Posted by
The Emirates Gallactico
A bit shithouse from Lyon to make this public - I'm guessing they're trying to raise interest in other suitors to drive up the price but I'm glad at least we've made some movement in the window to get a striker.
Lacazette wants to leave according to the press.
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Originally Posted by
Power_n_Glory
We've bid £29m. What's adding another £11m to that when Wenger has already said we need a striker with pace? We must have identified other targets if we're willing to walk away from this deal. I doubt we have but we act as if we do. That's why other clubs spend over the odds for certain players. The manager sees the quality they want in a player and they make sure they get him if they're essential to the plan.
It's a lowball offer at a price we were never going to get him (West Ham have already offered more).
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Originally Posted by
The Emirates Gallactico
A bit shithouse from Lyon to make this public - I'm guessing they're trying to raise interest from other suitors to drive up the price but I'm glad at least we've made some movement in the window to get a striker.
They turned down a higher bid from West Ham a month ago or so. Lyon didn't come out then with a press release. I doubt he's going anywhere unless a 60/70m comes in.
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Originally Posted by
Power_n_Glory
Lacazette wants to leave according to the press.
Lyon are great at negotiating, they get the money they want for a player and won't accept less, credit to them why should they sell for less than they want.
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I just hope we pay up and close the deal. We are not in a position to start quibbling over 10 million or whatever it is they want to up our offer to, just get the deal done and move on.
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Originally Posted by
Özim
Lyon are great at negotiating, they get the money they want for a player and won't accept less, credit to them why should they sell for less than they want.
Yeah Aulas (Lyon President) always plays hardball, if we don't meet their valuation he won't come.
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Originally Posted by
selassie
I just hope we pay up and close the deal. We are not in a position to start quibbling over 10 million or whatever it is they want to up our offer to, just get the deal done and move on.
We did it with Suarez, I think we seem reluctant to pay the market rate for players, trouble is with that attitude you end up with noone.
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Originally Posted by
Özim
We did it with Suarez, I think we seem reluctant to pay the market rate for players, trouble is with that attitude you end up with noone.
Seems that Ben Yedder interest could be a move to make Lyon think we do have other targets
Either way, what's clear is that we don't want to stump the money up. Nothing changes
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So we are now starting threads for rejected bids on here?? Thought we had a transfers thread.
:doh:
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I would not be surprised if this is all untrue.
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Originally Posted by
Maestro
So we are now starting threads for rejected bids on here?? Thought we had a transfers thread.
:doh:
I started the thread as it's official we're going after soemeone
what's the big deal? are you a mod? Who gives a shit if all the talk in one thread is concentrated on one player now? Jesus :lol:
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Originally Posted by
Maestro
So we are now starting threads for rejected bids on here?? Thought we had a transfers thread.
:doh:
Saw his name at start of thread and thought 'interesting'......opened the thread to see the full title and thought 'bloody hell' or something to that effect
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Originally Posted by
Munchies
I started the thread as it's official we're going after soemeone
what's the big deal? are you a mod? Who gives a shit if all the talk in one thread is concentrated on one player now? Jesus :lol:
Thanks for the clarification Munchies
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Originally Posted by
Japan Shaking All Over
Saw his name at start of thread and thought 'interesting'......opened the thread to see the full title and thought 'bloody hell' or something to that effect
Same here. I blame Wenger tbh, look what he's done to this place.
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Originally Posted by
Maestro
Same here. I blame Wenger tbh, look what he's done to this place.
so we are now saying that people can't take responsibility for their own actions?
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Originally Posted by
Power_n_Glory
Lacazette wants to leave according to the press.
Not surprised. The PL is where it's at (financially and prestige) and this would represent a major move for Lacazette, especially to move to a club like Arsenal with it's historic French connections.
I think like Rodger's hinting that £50 million would have been enough for them to sell Suarez three years back, I think the press release is intended to be a message that they're willing to sell for a few million more.
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Originally Posted by
Kano
They turned down a higher bid from West Ham a month ago or so. Lyon didn't come out then with a press release. I doubt he's going anywhere unless a 60/70m comes in.
Yeah that's West Ham though. As bad as Zim thinks our stock is right now, we're still a far more attractive proposition to come to than fucking West Ham. Not to defend their constant penny pinching, but I'm guessing Gazidis/Wenger thought that Lacazette would kick up enough of a fuss himself to force through the transfer at a lower fee.
Still wouldn't be surprised if we ended up getting him for either the same or lower than what West Ham bid earlier this summer tbh.
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Originally Posted by
Munchies
Seems that Ben Yedder interest could be a move to make Lyon think we do have other targets
Either way, what's clear is that we don't want to stump the money up. Nothing changes
Looking at some Youtube s of him, Yedder does seem to have an Aguero/Suarez type bulldog fighter type quality about him ................ but on the other hand he played for a team that nearly got relegated last year.
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Originally Posted by
The Emirates Gallactico
Not surprised. The PL is where it's at (financially and prestige) and this would represent a major move for Lacazette, especially to move to a club like Arsenal with it's historic French connections.
I think like Rodger's hinting that £50 million would have been enough for them to sell Suarez three years back, I think the press release is intended to be a message that they're willing to sell for a few million more.
Yeah that's West Ham though. As bad as Zim thinks our stock is right now, we're still a far more attractive proposition to come to than fucking West Ham. Not to defend their constant penny pinching, but I'm guessing Gazidis/Wenger thought that Lacazette would kick up enough of a fuss himself to force through the transfer at a lower fee.
Still wouldn't be surprised if we ended up getting him for either the same or lower than what West Ham bid earlier this summer tbh.
The press release to me says something different to a club that looking willing to sell, especially when they are responding to a higher bid just being reported in the press. If a club looks like they want to sell then they'd respond or give signs to the buyer to that effect. This approach seems to suggest the complete opposite of that. They didn't even respond to the first bid. The manager saying he's staying is one thing but issuing a firm press release after one bid is something completely different. I think they are deadly serious about keeping him. Replacing a striker at the moment is a nightmare for any club and they mentioned how financially strong they are at the moment in that press release. His goals have helped them finish second for the past two seasons and get back into CL football so I think it would take an even more ridiculous bid for them to consider it.
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Originally Posted by
Kano
The press release to me says something different to a club that looking willing to sell, especially when they are responding to a higher bid just being reported in the press. If a club looks like they want to sell then they'd respond or give signs to the buyer to that effect. This approach seems to suggest the complete opposite of that. They didn't even respond to the first bid. The manager saying he's staying is one thing but issuing a firm press release after one bid is something completely different. I think they are deadly serious about keeping him. Replacing a striker at the moment is a nightmare for any club and they mentioned how financially strong they are at the moment in that press release. His goals have helped them finish second for the past two seasons and get back into CL football so I think it would take an even more ridiculous bid for them to consider it.
I agree, however I do think we could get him if we are serious & proactive in our pursuit of him. The thing is I have no faith in us to follow this through proactively. It feels like we have offered at a price we feel fits into our valuation and will not move until he kicks up a fuss. If reports are to be believed he is keen and has asked for a transfer but we need to be pushing this if we are serious about him.
Aulas (Lyon President) is a tough negotiator, he has a track record of absolutely milking teams for his stars so he's not going to roll over and let us dictate the terms on this deal.
It's going to be interesting to see how this one unfolds, will we pursue him or will we walk away?
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Originally Posted by
selassie
I agree, however I do think we could get him if we are serious & proactive in our pursuit of him. The thing is I have no faith in us to follow this through proactively. It feels like we have offered at a price we feel fits into our valuation and will not move until he kicks up a fuss. If reports are to be believed he is keen and has asked for a transfer but we need to be pushing this if we are serious about him.
Aulas (Lyon President) is a tough negotiator, he has a track record of absolutely milking teams for his stars so he's not going to roll over and let us dictate the terms on this deal.
It's going to be interesting to see how this one unfolds, will we pursue him or will we walk away?
If we pursue him, will us fans know about that? Will Lyon issue a press release every time? Will Lyon respond to a second bid? What is their valuation of the player? If they didn't respond to the first bid, then how are Arsenal to know they might be willing to sell or what to go in with next? If you are negotiating you don't just jump from £29m to £45m and more with no communication - the seller will have you over the barrel every which way.
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Originally Posted by
The Emirates Gallactico
Not surprised. The PL is where it's at (financially and prestige) and this would represent a major move for Lacazette, especially to move to a club like Arsenal with it's historic French connections.
I think like Rodger's hinting that £50 million would have been enough for them to sell Suarez three years back, I think the press release is intended to be a message that they're willing to sell for a few million more.
Yeah that's West Ham though. As bad as Zim thinks our stock is right now, we're still a far more attractive proposition to come to than fucking West Ham. Not to defend their constant penny pinching, but I'm guessing Gazidis/Wenger thought that Lacazette would kick up enough of a fuss himself to force through the transfer at a lower fee.
Still wouldn't be surprised if we ended up getting him for either the same or lower than what West Ham bid earlier this summer tbh.
I'm hearing Lyon want £40m for him. Well, that's what's being reported. Even if a bid were to be accepted, we'd probably mess things up when negotiating player wages.
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Originally Posted by
Kano
If we pursue him, will us fans know about that? Will Lyon issue a press release every time? Will Lyon respond to a second bid? What is their valuation of the player? If they didn't respond to the first bid, then how are Arsenal to know they might be willing to sell or what to go in with next? If you are negotiating you don't just jump from £29m to £45m and more with no communication - the seller will have you over the barrel every which way.
I have no doubt they will respond if we increase our offer, they responded to West Ham's offers so I see no reason why they wouldn't follow suite with us. I personally think their stance is that they do not want to sell but would sell at a price they deem suitable to compensate themselves. Lacazette has a part to play in this too and if he wants to join us then he's going to need to go public about it.
I never suggested we increase our offer to what is their supposed valuation but we need to get serious if we are serious about the player and the player is serious about us. The 2nd offer should be somewhere near their valuation if they have one, I suppose what I'm trying to say here is that we shouldn't be sitting their waiting for Lyon to bend over backwards for us.
Edited to add: Rumours going around that offer was earlier in the summer for Lacazette so it seems it was a opportunist punt :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
dostoy
I would not be surprised if this is all untrue.
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...ndre-lacazette
I told you.