Arsenal win, Ludo win, top of the table we go. Job done.
It's gonna happen.
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Arsenal win, Ludo win, top of the table we go. Job done.
It's gonna happen.
We'll probably see another disjointed performance with so many changes likely to be made.
I think he'll go strong with even the slightest chance of a PSG fuck up. Rambo might come in for Feo and Elneny for Coq but unchanged other than that.
Too late to win the group, PSG wont lose at home to Ludo, no way.
1-1 for us.
We'd only need Ludo to fluke a draw if we won but that won't happen either.
0-3
that immediately would scupper our chancesQuote:
Originally Posted by Kano
We will win this and still come second. Frankly I would love it if we somehow got knocked out of this competition altogether. Cannot fathom the thought of another Barca thrashing in Feb.
Tbf. We've never been thrashed by Barca.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
And we've been robbed by them and the ref on more than one occasion.
We have never been thrashed 'scoreline wise' against anyone tbf (May be Man Utd when the fans got free flags :lol:). In hindsight, thrashed was probably not the best word to describe the inevitable loss that will be handed to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoeLDG
How would that happen, half of our fixtures in the group would need to be overturnedQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Don't see the fuss over first or second. The likelihood of winning the thing for us is extremely slim, and at some point you have to face a big team. A boring draw in the second round doesn't exactly liven things up.
We've qualified, which is good, so as long as we get a renowned team, bar Barca or Bayern, I'll be happy with that.
Obviously its wishful thinking on my part..Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Not sure if I can be asked to watch this on a dodgy stream.
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
We're not good enough to win this competition and we don't need to be dumped out by the best teams to realise that. Hopefully we're drawn against someone decent so the game can be a bit of an occasion, not interested in any of the fodder. Whom we'll probably still struggle to overcome anyway if Monaco is anything to go by.
Porto, the chavs and Liverpool should never have been good enough to win it either but it happened. When is it going to be our year?
I'd happily take it over the league given the choice.
Just think, if we had beaten Chelsea, got to the final, we could've extinguished the evil of Fraudinho before it even began.
Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
I'd like to play any of Juventus, Atletico, Real Madrid, Sevilla or Benfica.
Dortmund for the 7th and 8th time in a few years would be yawnsome too.
Satan's Son was always going to have a decade of prosperity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
At least he's fucked off now.
That's what he wants us to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Never underestimate the Satan family.
We should have won the final against Barca. Henry should have made it 2-0. Anything is possible but it feels like we're a million miles away from a team that can beat the likes of Real Madrid over two legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Although they were terrible that year Chelsea had a long history of reaching the latter stages and still had the core of old boys to pull them through. Porto and Liverpool were just on point tactically.
You need luck on your side win anything, however with us it just feels like we're as far away as we've ever been. Even back in the day we grossly underachieved in Europe with some of the best players to ever play for our club. In 20 years we've only gone beyond the 2nd round a handful of times, it's too late for Wenger to crack Europe now. It's just something that will unfortunately need to be held against him when he is compared to the greats.
Nothing would give me more joy than seeing him lift the CL though.
I consider this match to be a dead rubber. I know PSG might slip up, but I doubt it. This is the one time when I don't care if we rest some first teamers, what with the Christmas period coming on. Finishing first does not guarantee avoiding a big club this year, so why risk injuries?
Yes you do need luck, you also need guile and determination. Arsenal too often wilt when things don't go in our favour......because Wenger doesn't buy players with character and he isn't a strong enough personality himself to give it to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
True today but not sure what happened during his best years. Plenty of character but we always failed. Maybe going into games without Bergkamp or playing at Wembley instead of Highbury had a psychological effect on the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
But we won league titles and there was always a demonstrable difference between European and league form. I think in past times it was more a case of running out of steam and ideas rather than just capitulation which is the way it is now (we would never have gone out against Monaco with that invincibles team).Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
2003/2004 as good as that season was there is no question it was a missed opportunity to win this club a treble, but ultimately it was an opportunity that was beyond the ability of Wenger as a man motivator and a tactician to take.
We were confident in the league but Europe was a step into the unknown. It wasn't just a case of running out of steam and ideas. We weren't an unfit team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I don't mean so much physically but we played a certain way and sometimes even with strong characters there is only so much you can do without inspiration from the benchQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Couldn't the same be said about the team today and others that have gone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
What i am saying is there is a difference, the old Wenger teams with the exception of the 6-1 game at Old Trafford tended to capitulate less because they had more character and a lot of the reason for this is because Wenger inherited as many of the players he had as much as he bought himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
But ultimately didn't have have it in them to singularly get past European obstacles, where as the players today seem to be unable to get past obstacles whatever competition it is.
What i am saying is that even with the character Wenger had in his team back then it wasn't enough without a stronger motivator (Wenger isn't the big personality for big motivational speeches or bawling people out in the dressing room), and now we have neither the characters or the motivator.
Ospina; Gabriel; Kos; Holding; Gibbs; Xhaka; Ramsey; Iwobi; Ozil; Lucas; Alexis
Some smart changes made.
Surprised Alexis and Ozil both start.
Ozil should be fine as he had a couple of weeks off during the last international break but not surprised Alexis starting really. He needs Mr T treatment to keep him off a pitch.
And I think Wenger was hinting yesterday that if PSG are clearly up at half time, he'll probably take them off.
Also, a Ramshaka partnership. Could be quite a few goals tonight then :popcorn:
Wenger's brain wont let him make a sub till the 70th minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Intelligent from Wenger if true Kano.
Also hoping that Lucas is playing on the wing and not Alexis as well. Don't want to disrupt the rhythm he has going on up there.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
70th minute it is thenQuote:
We’ll see - PSG are favourites to beat Ludogorets at home and win the group, but we can assess that scoreline at half-time and see where we go.”
Fucking Wenker starting Ozil and Alexis
We've never been to Basel?
I thought we had!!