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2nd half has been like watching Bayern arsenal again, by that I mean we looked a pub side against them and out of our depth.
Easy as you like that second half.
Let's see if we can fluke our way past a proper team now.
Most undeserved FA cup semi finalists in cup history? I think so
Millwall will be tough.
They dont like black people. Even their own players.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
We will have to play an all white team
My local team so we better trounce them. Have never lived down when they did us 2 nil in the 90's!
Wenger out celebrating with hookers and blow.
The cunts post match comments:
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...eat-was-unjust
Looks like he aint leaving any time soon :ilt:
He responds to criticism as though it's a singularity, like it's a knee-jerk reaction to whatever has just happened. He doesn't seem to acknowledge it's an accumulation of years and years of mistakes and frustration. Even without a dud referee there was every chance Bayern would have taken us to the cleaners because we have previous.
Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
We were outstanding, the players did not deserve criticism, and we lost 10-2 on aggregate.
It does look like he will end up staying judging by his comments recently. the 10-2 was embarrassing and any other manager would walk away but Wenger has been humiliated before and he;s still here. Against Man u, 8-2 in 2011, 4-0 before that in the FA cup and that CL semi where we bottled it big time. 6-0 against Chelsea, 5-1 at Anfield, Monaco at home, Bayern away etc these are just a few of the heavy defeats we've suffered and the man shows no sign of walking away or even acknowledging that he cant do it anymore.
When you look at the protests on Tuesday and today, only about 200 people turned up which is a very small minority considering we have over 50k home fans at the emirates. I know for a fact that there are a lot more Wenger out fans at the stadium and at home but He wont care as long as its only a couple of hundred fans max.
On the night you spent all evening saying how it was a fix and neither Wenger or the players deserve criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Now Wenger's saying it so you disagree? :blink:
We beat a pub team full of part timers and Wenger thinks with the real deal again, honestly he has the memory of a goldfish. We've been terrible this season and one win against a bunch of nobodies and he thinks everything is great again.
I love the way he asbolves the players of any fault after the 5-1 drubbing, this is the problem with him, he excuses disgraceful performances, no wonder the players don't put any effort in and don't give a damn when they get trashed. Always someone else's fault with him, there's just no hope with him, he's totally deluedd, hes embarassing himself tbh.
Just wish he would accept responsibility and lay some blame at his players door for once in his life. Looks like we're stuck with the guy, he's going w're got a few more years of collapses and humiliating thrashings coming up, great!
No, no, no, not the same thing at all. Maybe we did get robbed in the second leg, I can't remember but it sounds like we did. Fine. But what about the first leg? Wenger's short attention span again. He's trying to pretend the tie lasted 45 minutes instead of 180. He's his own spin doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
In fairness it's not the players fault it's his. He put all out attacking substititions in the vein hope of chasing the game
I've given up any expectation of Wenger taking responsibility himself. But at least he's proved beyond all doubt he's delusional. Only Wenger could stand there after a 10-2 drubbing and claim we did well. I can't think of anyone else in football who would try to sell such a ridiculous fantasy. And he believes it. He'll sit down and watch the game with you and show you how impressive we were. If you take him up on his offer, ask him if you can sit through a decade of fuck ups and see how well we did in those games too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
He did say that he took responsibility for that, he made the substitutions to chase the game rather than defend it out. He is unapologetic but he did state that it was on him.
And he based that on his complaint about the referee. We were out of this after the first leg and he's trying to make out we were somehow back in it until the referee intervened. It's disingenuous and a total misread of the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I agree however I am referring specifically to the issue of the four goals we conceded after that point which he did take responsibility for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Does it change the fact that we fucked the tie up completely in the first leg? No. Is his willingness to brush it aside shocking and pertains to a level of complacency and disconnect that is deeply concerning? Yes
But he did say that
He's quite clearly talking about the 2nd leg alone and he's saying the exact same thing you were on the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You've reached the final stage of ZD where you have no ability to look objectively at what he says or does. In this case he's saying pretty much the exact thing you were saying but when he says it it's wrong simply because it's him saying it.
Lots to criticise Wenger for right now, there's no need to make stuff up.
The tie was finished in Munich, the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Why he had to focus on the referee for the 2nd leg is beyond me. I too think the referee made some very dubious decisions but it didn't affect the tie in the grand scheme of things...we were never at any stage before Kos's sending off close to clawing back the deficit.
Wenger deserves to be dug out on ludicrous stuff like this...
That he genuinely believes that we could have got back into the tie if not for the penalty decision?
If he genuinely believes that i don't think being "dug out" would change that for him as absurd as the belief is.
He seems to genuinely believe that winning 5 nil at home against a non league side means the crisis is over.
Herb...He was happy with the team after they got thumped 10-2 on aggregate in Europe, it is absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Yes i know it's absurd, what i'm saying is for him to be happy with that no amount of digging him out is going to change his mindQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Not really. He was being asked about the 2nd leg, he said what he thought - which is the same as what some people on here thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
We were doing OK and the ref stepped in, gave them a penalty, sent one of our players off and that changed everything.
Of course that doesn't excuse the first leg results or actually the 2nd leg end result - clearly we were never going to qualify but we shouldn't have collapsed so badly either.
As an assessment of the game itself though it's reasonable enough and in happier times no-one would be making an issue of this.
There are enough things to bash Wenger about, new ones don't need making up.
Did you read his post match comments after the game? You go have a look on Arsenal.com and tell me what he is saying is right.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I mentioned on here a couple of weeks ago that Wenger sets his own criteria and achievements and what not...he's doing this post Bayern in a round about way. He was saying we played an outstanding game and he's happy with the team...he's happy that we played well for 45 minutes? One half of the game...it's bonkers Letters and you know it!
Honestly his interviews, brushing aside the pathetic displays and actually giving credit to his players after getting hammered 5-1 is cringeworthy to say the least, we've been thrashed twice by Bayern and beaten by Liverpool and the guy still think his team have done great, delusional doesn't even start do describe him, the guy genuinely thinks he's doing a good job and that his players are doing well, he's a total joke and the fact he even has a chance of staying at this once great club is an even bigger joke.
No other manager would react in such an embarrassing fashion.
No I didn't but I'm not sure how that's relevant to this particular discussion which is about an article in which he's saying pretty much exactly what people on here were saying on the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Now, because he says it, it's suddenly wrong.
NQ, on the night:
He was pretty drunk, admittedly, but still :lol:Quote:
I'm fine with our performance.
I think we were the better team, albeit with Bayern knowing they had already won.
If you want to talk about what Wenger said elsewhere then provide a link and I'll have a look.
You realise, you're using the biggest pisshead on the forum to make your case?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
:lol: That is the one weakness in my argument, admittedly.
Some interesting stuff about the Koscielny sending off against Bayern (as well as other stuff, ignore 2nd bit it's irrelevant):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmTBxIVqHOI
Fans just not willing to put their neck out to convince Wenger to leave, I guess that's the problem with Arsenal fans, Wenger seems to have them living in fear and having too much respect for him despite what he says. I'm not sure fans of any other team would be so quiet at this stage. I know people say we need a change etc, but in the end there's just not enough appetite for it, I'd say being also rans is embedded into the Arsenal mentality from top to bottom and in the fan base.
I feel 20% more stupid after watching those fuckwits.
Marcoti is pretty respected, that was the main part really.
He's right about the fans as well, Wenger can stay as long as he wants, who is going to stop him....the fans? It's pretty clear that at Arsenal the fans will turn up regardless and not change their behaviour, therefore nothing will ever change, weird culture at this club.
Kroenke can sit happy earning his millions, Gazidis, Chips can have a good laugh about it all and come out with condascending statements and Wenger can pat himself on a job well done and give himself a nice little well deserved payrise, life is good at the top!
Respected by who? Those twats on the panel? You?
For starters he has no idea how Arsenal manipulate attendance figures. Even when I was still going to matches, people would chuckle amongst themselves when the attendance was announced. It seems particularly more empty now from what I can see on tv. He has not got the first clue as to anything about the fan base.
Zim - there have been two fan protests at the last two home games, there is no indication that this is going to cease, fans are now bringing home banners to the ground....and they are getting pilloried for doing so.
What would you have them do?....Burn Wenger effegies?, plant bombs on the bridges outside the stadiium?, suicide attack on the manager's dug out during match days.
If you're arguing they should stop turning up to match days, well if Wenger stays beyond his current contract...you might just get your wish.
I'm not questoning those people, but most basically don't say a word, turn up week in week out on time, there's very little there to make the club and manager stand up and take notice, 200 odd fans they'll probably not be too bothered about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Empty stadiums would do the trick and let's be honest it wouldn't be that much of a chore for them, the football is awful!
My point is really that the fans (majority) don't have enough of an appetite for change, it's a bit like wanting to win the lottery but not buying a ticket, not gonna happen.
And which of those two protests which happened outside the ground did you attend?