Absolute shit.
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Absolute shit.
Where's the whiskey?
Pathetic.
They can all fuck right off.
The Emery effect has well and truly worn off.
All the limitations we suspected were there are now on show for all to see. This team is in desperate need of an injection of quality, in about 5 or 6 positions of the pitch.
We won't be finishing 4th.
The Emery effect and any potential for him to drive the change we need is completely negated by the Stan effect.
What do you mean? All that massive turnover allows us the opportunity for loan signings, what more could you want?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unaibomber
It feels like we peaked with that win over Spurs and it’s been a cluster fuck ever since.
So was it Kroenke that opted to have Torreira on the bench and Mustafi and Xhaka being first on the team sheet? No, i thought not...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unaibomber
Who honestly thought Arsenal would finish in the top 4 this season ?
I said 6th and that's what it will be, at best.
Whilst shithole Stan is the boss Arsenal will never finish higher than that as at least 250 million pounds needs to be spent on far better players than Arsenal have now.
I can understand people on here laughing and enjoying it when one of the big 5 lose but they are all far better than Arsenal so its not really funny.
No more CL football and as for winning the PL, forget about it.
I don't feel much any more whether they win or lose.
I'm still glad that French idiot has gone though as he was fucking useless.
Fuck off Josh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Made little difference to the result, we were shite going forward. That’s where we lost the game today. Their crappy defence got off easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Damn, found out... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unaibomber
Bottom line is that this team has no personality. No desire. Each player plays as if the outcome of each match is water off a ducks back. The older players are the worst but AMN who hasnt even nailed a fixed place played like a seasoned " I dont give a fk" veteran. Guen and Torr are the only 2 players today worth keeping, If I owned a team, everyone would be on less than 100kpw, with a 30kper game match win bonus, 5k for a draw and nothing for a loss. Including the manager
Or maybe the players have tuned Emery out already. He's one of these coaches that players get sick of soon. If we look at his history
That's if they can even understand what he's saying, i must say i can't - it must be like being managed by Paul Lambert...Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Only watched the last 30 minutes and what I noticed was one team had a really good, serious and disciplined back 4- the commentators later echoed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
How many times have we tried those high lines and how many times have they failed us? How many times have we tried putting 7-8 players behind the ball only for the other team to still score.
I missed their goal but wasn't surprised to see it came from a set piece with us having 8 men behind the ball with the manager's favourite, Xhaka , putting the ball in a dangerous area.
Yes, its debateable that we might not have the purse of Man City or any of our top 6 rivals but what does that have to do with constructing a good defence, managing your best players (Ozil) or making sure a player like Xhaka (who has done this over and over again) is not in a position to cost us the game?
West Ham constructed that back 4 we saw today with only £40m - we paid £41m for Mustafi alone.
Now they say we can only afford loans, yet even with that all I hear is Arsenal being linked with one attacking talent or the other.
The problem with this club is at least for over a decade now we have not and still do not have serious football people in our heirachy making decisions, both on and off the field
It's hard to be positive, as we never seem to be focusing on the right things, the right strategies or the right players.
Its been going downhill for quite a while and unfortunately it seems we are still firmly on that path.
Yes, was going to mention Ozil, we need him playing to provide creativity, which he does when he plays, Emery's too busy trying to show him who's boss to realise he needs to be in the f**king teamQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
Ozil can do one. Flimsy little fraud who turns up once every few matches. Take one look at his stats since he arrived and you’ll see he isn’t our creative genius at all. Sooner we see shot of him and a few others, the better. We’re performing exactly the same without him in the side as do with him in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Aye, I personally think top 4 is gone too. We lack the quality and to a degree mentality to finish top 4 IMO. That battle will be between the Chavs and Manure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I don’t think we will win Europa Cup either, something not right about this team.
Ozil aint worth it im afraid. If only we could get rid and replace
The last time he played he helped create two goals, he links up well with laca and auba and we've not got better options - if we can't buy anyone we need to make the most of what we have, whether some people like it or notQuote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
We’ve tried for years to make the most of what we have with Ozil, and even under a different manager the results were the same. Which tells you the problem lies with the player, rather than the management of him. We’re scoring just as much without him, and he hasn’t been missed upfront. He turns up when he wants and is generally a waste of space.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Understandably, people are desperately looking for answers. But Ozil ain’t it.
I'm no Ozil fan but I think even at his worst he is still capable of producing something out of nothing, in a way Iwobi and Mkhi simply can't. I don't understand why Ramsey is getting more minutes than Ozil when we know for near enough fact that he is leaving. I think freezing Ozil out completely is a bit of a fallacy when inferior players are being afforded game time.
It's all a mess though. No money to spend, injuries and a coach who doesn't know his best 11 or set up.
That's what it is for me, i'm no blind Ozil fanboy but we're definitely underusing himQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
You said it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Question: What logic anywhere justifies freezing out your star player and hoping he gets the message and leaves while giving inferior players more than enough opportunities to showcase their limited abilities.....
Ah, it must be Jose Mourinho logic :)
Why argue with facts when we can all just follow the leader blindy ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
The other question is how genuine all of these injuries and knocks are. That’s definitely open to debate and it wouldn’t surprise me if both player and manager were responsible for his abscene. At the start of the season Ozil was given the full backing of the manager - he even made him one of his captains - but that wasn’t returned in any of his subsequent performances. I think he prefers Ramsey because at least he’s ready to put the yards in and not shirk his responsibilities. Same can’t be said for Ozil, which makes an even bigger liability to the team. We’ve seen that plenty of times since he’s been here. I’ve definitely seen enough to show he will never work out at this club and will always remain inconsistent and a luxury player. We can’t afford those right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Just decided to look at another stat about clear errors leading to goals in the EPL, here's the leauge table for the top six:
1. Arsenal- 7 ( 4 players)
2. Tottenham. 2 (2 players)
3. Man U. 2 (2 players)
4.Liverpool. 2 (1 player. )
5.Man City. 1
6.Chelsea 1
Out of the 7 errors we've made, Leno leads the whole EPL with 3 while the managers pet Xhaka comes second with 2- yet some people don't see any problem with him playing deeply and causing us problems (btw this is pre-west ham).
I don’t understand how any manager can leave Ozil out of their 18 man squad?! I get that Emery isn’t Ozils biggest fan but surely he should include him? We are so shit lately I’m starting to doubt Emery. We don’t even look like scoring or even pushing for a goal in the last 20 minutes. We can’t defend and our strikers aren’t scoring.
On today’s evidence there is no way we will finish top 4.
What a terrible result, the squad is getting badly exposed and is showing just how average he is, as I said this squad is average and we desperately need to get rid of a load of them, just think we didn't make enough changes last summer, Xhaka and co should have been ditched.
Emery really has his work cutout, but I also agree about Ozil, love him or hate him he's our most creative player and should be playing ahead of rubbish like Iwobi and Mhiki who are basically a waste of space, also to play Ramsey a guy who is leaving in a few months is a nonsense to be honest.
Our form is really poor at the moment the Wenger lot as we know don't turn up when the going gets tough, but also think the signings are a real mix bag, we didn't have much money in the summer but I'm unsure how well it was spent right now (Torreira and Guendouzi aside maybe).
Top 4 will be tough to be honest, we in reality lack the quality.
No idea why Torreira didn't start today. Last game was ages ago having not started against blackpool. Ozil not in the bleeding squad again....and it says it all when you are now well used to an insane situation that should never be allowed to continue.
Guendouzi is still taking, far too many touches, far too long to pass the ball and showing no cutting edge with his final ball once he does pass it. Today he did a very good impression of Wilshere on a bad day. The whole team were sleep walking to defeat at times today, especially at the back and in midfield as if we had all the time in the bloody world to recover the situation. Emery promised us hard work at the start of the season....but there's no point in hard work if you slowly pass the ball around between your midfield, defenders and goalkeeper all the while not threatening to go anywhere or do anything.
The major surprise was him taking off both his favourites Xhaka and Mustafi.
Mustafi should have been flogged last summer at the latest and the money invested in a top Centre half to sit next to Sokratis. Emery should have been allowed to bring in Banega last summer because he doesn't like Ozil and we desperately lack creativity. Emery probably had a good idea of what sort of player Ozil was before he even took the job as well as Ramsey so to suddenly be in a situation where he doesn't fancy two of the highest earners at the club and in desperate need of creativity with a backline barely better than last season is galling.
Let's just sleep walk into our 5th/6th place finish this season and pretend as if next season WE MUST GET INTO THE CL....alloverafuhkingain knowing that nobody who actually matters is actually arsed about it enough.
Ozil isn’t our star player.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
He’s just on star player wages
Emery reckons he is happy with the squad he has. If he truly believes that, then he is not fit for the job. The current playing group is very poor, bar a few players. Loans won’t fix the issue, it needs major investment, which we won’t get from Stan. What does Steve Bould actually do, if he is defensive coach, then he needs to walk, as the stats are there showing our defence to be among the worst in the division. This club is not about football, it’s about lining Stan’s pockets, he’s the worst thing to happen to this club.
To be honest it's hard to see a way out of this mess now, Wenger and Gazidis left us with a very average squad full of vastly overpaid under par players we'd struggle to get rid of, we have an owner not interested in football and not interested in investing a penny and not enough money for transfers.
Right now it's hard to see how this will improve unless we by some miracle get into the CL and get some CL money (and even then who knows how much money we'll get), if we don't we could have years of this because we've barely got any assets in the team worth anything.
There's also been some odd decisions from Emery, think our best bet would be finding some young players who turn out to be special (we don't see to have any at the club at the moment).
We're in between a rock and a hard place right now, desperate for money to invest in the team, but no money to do so, we also have quite a few ageing players in Aubameyang, Sokratis, Koscielny, Monreal, Cech, Mikhitaryan, Ozil, Lichsteiner who will be worth next to nothing and will need replacing in the fairly near future, that's on top of duds like Xhaka, Mustafi, Iwobi, Elneny who aren't worth much.
What a mess.
I don't agree about our young players not having potential.
Willock and one or two others are showing a lot of promise, and Nelson's having a great season at Hoffenheim
They're probably our best hope tbh
We have some good attacking players in the youth ranks which is promising and maybe emery needs to start putting them in the lineup - they can’t do much worse tbh.
But it seems we have no young defenders standing out.
It’s like defence has just been forgotten about at this club - like it doesn’t exist anymore.
There's Medley, but not sure who else
https://www.arsenal.com/academy/players/zech-medley
We should want to get into the CL because that's where the top players want to be and that is the premier Europe competition. As far as making money from it....we don't know the money from it will be allocated to transfers. The owner can do whatever the fuhk he wants and he doesn't have to tell us about it. Thank you for your interest in our affairs, but get lost.
Nelson aside I don't think the others will make it personally, overall there's just not enough coming out of our youth teams, this despite almost two decades spent developing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
What we're seeing now at the club are Wenger and Gazidis' legacies and as for our self sustaining model, it's one of the biggest jokes in football, it's not there for the good of the club, it's there for the good of the owners, there's zero benefit for the fans. I find it sad how this club has become what it is today, 15 years ago we had so much going for us, I never imagined we'd be where we are now, in a place where we'll have zero chance of competingf or the PL for years to come.
Incidentally I see Wenger still doesn't have a job despite the supposed load of offers he's had, we kept hold of this guy for over 2 decades and yet noone seems to want him now he's left.
If we had a REAL ambition to make top 4 then we would be in the market now trying to improve our team. We are in no position to wait till the summer unless we have some great deals pre-agreed regardless of CL football next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
I don’t know, I sense we are just ambling along, I don’t see any semblance of a sporting plan.
We knew Emery had an uphill battle from the start but I don't think he should be getting off lightly with some of the on the pitch decisions being made thus far. Also given the fact our defending has somehow become worse, when all the signings we made in the summer were supposed to bolster that aspect of our game, it's time he faced a few questions. If we lose to Chelsea any hope we had of finishing 4th can be laid to rest and it is only January. It's not good enough, Wenger hangover or not.