Wenger Out?

[Alpha]

Well they've certainly looked shite in Europe this year, but one of them will win the league and that is ultimatley where we want to be isn't it? Competing at the top for the title.

Well said ,Overmars . One of them will win the league . I bet you didn't say both of them will win it . So , one of them will be empty-handed like ourselves after investing so much . But what I reckon , we are not far away .We had the baddest start and yet we are just about to leapfrog Tottenham . What a remarquable come-back ? Yes we want to win the league . Our turn will definitely come . Chamberlain , Coquelin , Wilshere , Miyaichi , Sczesney ,will mature very soon . Add to that crop RVP , Koscielny , Vermalean , Song , Sagna ..and probably Podolski and Gotze ( who knows? ) the league will be our in a couple of years . What is sure ,the so called favorites are anot running away from us even with thier money .

[Marc Overmars]

Well said ,Overmars . One of them will win the league . I bet you didn't say both of them will win it . So , one of them will be empty-handed like ourselves after investing so much . But what I reckon , we are not far away .We had the baddest start and yet we are just about to leapfrog Tottenham . What a remarquable come-back ? Yes we want to win the league . Our turn will definitely come . Chamberlain , Coquelin , Wilshere , Miyaichi , Sczesney ,will mature very soon . Add to that crop RVP , Koscielny , Vermalean , Song , Sagna ..and probably Podolski and Gotze ( who knows? ) the league will be our in a couple of years . What is sure ,the so called favorites are anot running away from us even with thier money .

One of them will be left empty handed yes, but to harp back to my earlier point, it's not entirely down to trophies. If we were up there competing with them I'd be a lot more optimistic about our chances. We're 15 odd points or whatever behind them for a reason.

[Alpha]

One of them will be left empty handed yes, but to harp back to my earlier point, it's not entirely down to trophies. If we were up there competing with them I'd be a lot more optimistic about our chances. We're 15 odd points or whatever behind them for a reason.

I think we are up competing with them mate bar this season we didn't do ourselves any favor . That was down to the departure of key plays such as Cesc and Nasir and the unwillingness of Wenger to replace them on time . I dont City were close to win it last season . The odds are just an indication of what the media and some " experts " think about the outcome of the league . It is far from being a Gospel . They were saying we will finish out of the top 5 . I know there is still work to do to achieve something .But aien't we making them eat their words atm ? Aren't they trying to change their assessments to accomodate to the reality we have shown them black on white ?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

One of them will be left empty handed yes, but to harp back to my earlier point, it's not entirely down to trophies. If we were up there competing with them I'd be a lot more optimistic about our chances. We're 15 odd points or whatever behind them for a reason.

True and last season we were competing its only because we did not replace the key players we lost we fell short or we be right up there this season.

[Cripps_orig]

I may be one of the ones Cripps laughs at. .. I am very grateful for what Wenger has done and would say that he deserves to walk when he chooses but. . .there is a frustration inside me rhat wishes that he realises that time and does not choose the run the team/club into the ground like some Vegas addict who just thinks all he needs is one more roll of the dice.

Sure it may take a bit to achieve top four year in and year out, but SAF seems to do it with trophies to boot and we seem to do increasingly by the skin of our teeth. . , for me that is a sign that should be observed.

We may very well do it again this year and get third while we are at it. . .but is that Wengers doing. . .I hazard an answer and say of course in part but less in part than other years. I dont feel Wenger has the team where he wants them, more the team are stepping up, RvP has a fire that is roaring and the others around him are responding, maybe in an attempt to prove that they are the team he should consider sticking around with.

RvP too no doubt is thinking next year, and that more than every we need to build the squad, no doubt pleased with talk ofcearly arrivals, the fans do will be expecting that. There can be no excuse not to buy this summer, Jack coming back yes but plenty to replace. We cannot go into the new season with one striker and if we do, the signs of dissent were there, FY may get his wish of burning effergies and the like.

Am I saying does Wenger deserve another chance? Yes and no because he has done a lot for the club but those laurels have been rested on for too long now and what he seems to be doing now is more harm than good. If there is a chance he can change his stubborn ways then I will pass him the dice, buy now, buy quality and get rid of the dross, if he cant and doesnt see some of his ways are dated and have been sussed then it is time to move on.

May be?

[Kano]

I think we are up competing with them mate bar this season we didn't do ourselves any favor . That was down to the departure of key plays such as Cesc and Nasir and the unwillingness of Wenger to replace them on time . I dont City were close to win it last season . The odds are just an indication of what the media and some " experts " think about the outcome of the league . It is far from being a Gospel . They were saying we will finish out of the top 5 . I know there is still work to do to achieve something .But aien't we making them eat their words atm ? Aren't they trying to change their assessments to accomodate to the reality we have shown them black on white ?

08/09 - 18 points
09/10 - 11 points
10/11 - 12 points
11/12 - 15 points (currently)

we are and haven't been any nowhere near competing for the title.

[Alpha]

08/09 - 18 points
09/10 - 11 points
10/11 - 12 points
11/12 - 15 points (currently)

we are and haven't been any nowhere near competing for the title.

Bar this season we always fucked up with 10 or 8 games remaining . that's competing I think .

[Marc Overmars]

Bar this season we always fucked up with 10 or 8 games remaining . that's competing I think .

If only a season was 28 games long we'd be sorted then!

[Kano]

Bar this season we always fucked up with 10 or 8 games remaining . that's competing I think .

and when it happens every year, in a cycle, then it's a problem.

and not one likely to be addressed by the manager

[Alpha]

and when it happens every year, in a cycle, then it's a problem.

and not one likely to be addressed by the manager

Well I think if Per , Arteta , Santos, even Benayoun to a lesser extent were brought in earlier and given enough time to bed and Wilshere was not injured that long and a striker of Podolski caliber were signed we could have been a different proposition . I believe something is being done to make change but sometimes Wenger's stubbornness gets the upper hand . Things will get better pretty soon .