Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
Do you remember two years ago where you scoffed at me for claiming I was able to make claims about Arteta as a person from his body language
I do! I continue to scoff at that.

how is this any different from what you’re doing here.
The difference is I have years of interaction with you on here, I'm not just looking at a few minutes of a highly edited "reality" show and making pontifications about the state of someone's marriage based on it.
You have a need to be very very right about things. A need I would concede I also have. But I like to think I'm a bit more willing to change my opinions based on new data and that's what I'm doing with Liverpool. The new data being they've dropped 5 points from 39 and, while we're here, they're top of the CL "table" too, having won every game there and just beaten Real Madrid (who are admittedly stuttering in the CL so far, but they're only a point off the top of La Liga having only lost one game domestically, they're not suddenly a bad side).

OK, fine, I don't watch football much these days. So I'll concede your opinion has more merit than mine in some ways. But as I've said you're not unique in watching football. You are unique - in terms of people I've spoken to and seen analysing how things are going - in dismissing Liverpool as this mediocre team who are just getting lucky.

Personally I cannot see how it cannot be attributed massively to luck, but I don’t assert that…that’s an opinion.
It just seems an increasingly silly opinion the longer the season goes on. You can get lucky in one off games maybe but from 13 league games and 5 CL games, they've won 16 drawn 1 and lost 1. And the loss was a bizarre outlier. To dismiss all that as just easy games and luck is perverse.

I certainly agree that we shouldn't be 9 points behind them. We have dropped points we shouldn't have. But this is about where Liverpool are, not us.

These discussions are pointless
Are you new here?

But I would remark that it’s funny how you rely on the majority opinion must be the correct one (if I allow for your statement that you know loads of other people who have watched Liverpool to be a factual claim) and yet seemingly can’t make that say connection when it comes to voting rights.
The difference being your opinion is not just the minority one, you are literally the only person I've heard make this argument.
I just Googled "are Liverpool just getting lucky" to see if I could find anyone else in any other corner of the internet and couldn't find much.

Using your logic, you should go away and watch Liverpool play before coming to any firm opinion.
That would obviously help, but while one off results don't tell you much I think a long enough run of them does. We've had enough results now for me to re-evaluate my pre-season opinion of Liverpool. They do have a lot of away games coming up in December but, honestly, I can't see that many fixtures which I think they'll struggle in. And as I said we have to be perfect to capitalise if they do slip. It's starting to feel a long way back. Not an impossible task and there's long enough left it can be chipped away at, but right now it's looking like Liverpool who will capitalise on City's demise, not us.