Ozil - Do we need him?

[Power n Glory]

What you're not seeing is Ozil playing with Henry and Pires and Freddie and the gang. Instead it's Bif, Walnut, and the square peg, round hole Alexis. Of course there's going to be an immense difference in the end result. But surely don't take from that the idea Ozil is deficient, surely take from it the degree by which the manager has let the general standards at this club fall. Ozil has moved from the pinnacle in Spain to a PL team in shocking decline in terms of quality, but still he delivers the best numbers in Europe. If he's not remarkable in your book then nobody can be, because he tops them all when it comes to doing his job - assisting goal scorers and creating scoring chances. What more can be asked of him? You say he needs to shoot more. Why? What the fuck are our strikers up to if we are relying on our playmaker to do the shooting?

You still haven't answered where Ozil would fit in a Diego Simeone set up.

I prefer Kevin De Bruyne. That's the influence I expect from a AM.

[Niall_Quinn]

You still haven't answered where Ozil would fit in a Diego Simeone set up.

I prefer Kevin De Bruyne. That's the influence I expect from a AM.

Eh? I assumed we were just ignoring questions. This started when I asked you who you'd replace Ozil with, which you answered with a question. And now I STILL haven't answered?

Come off it. I never mentioned Simeone either, although if we could land him I'd be chuffed. I don't know where Simeone would play Ozil, how could I know that. But I'd have Ozil behind Alexis and Lewandowski if it was up to me. You need that quality (and intelligent) striker to see the best of Ozil. De Brown isn't fit to clean Ozil's boots, but right now he plays in a team with a proper manager and that makes all the difference. Thank fuck Pep doesn't have Ozil at his disposal, that would be scary.

[Power n Glory]

Eh? I assumed we were just ignoring questions. This started when I asked you who you'd replace Ozil with, which you answered with a question. And now I STILL haven't answered?

Come off it. I never mentioned Simeone either, although if we could land him I'd be chuffed. I don't know where Simeone would play Ozil, how could I know that. But I'd have Ozil behind Alexis and Lewandowski if it was up to me. You need that quality (and intelligent) striker to see the best of Ozil. De Brown isn't fit to clean Ozil's boots, but right now he plays in a team with a proper manager and that makes all the difference. Thank fuck Pep doesn't have Ozil at his disposal, that would be scary.

You don't replace Ozil. The number 10 role becomes redundant. I think he could benefit from playing a deeper role as a CM to be honest but he's a bit lightweight.

Hypothetical, but if we play Lewandowski with Alexis up front and Ozil behind, isn't that a diamond system?

[Niall_Quinn]

You don't replace Ozil. The number 10 role becomes redundant. I think he could benefit from playing a deeper role as a CM to be honest but he's a bit lightweight.

Hypothetical, but if we play Lewandowski with Alexis up front and Ozil behind, isn't that a diamond system?

I wouldn't know, I don't pay any attention to any of that. All I know is if you get those 3 on a pitch and get them near the opposition goals then you'll score goals. Supplement with players who can cross a ball, and pass and have a bit of ambition and you're in good shape. The more I think about our summer signings the more bizarre it all seems. The club was willing to spend 90mill after all, or forced to, or whatever. But we weren't willing to go out and get that striker we've needed for an age, and I don't pay any attention to the idea none were available. That's BS, in the world of football it's about the money. Put the money on the table and the greedy bastards who are up for a cut will make any deal happen.

Instead we end up with a rag-tag bunch of overpriced second raters, with the exception of Xhaka perhaps. Ok, not good. Then the first CL game comes along and that manager sits the new CM and striker on the bench.

I really don't think there's any point in trying to figure out what's happening at Arsenal any more. There's no plan, no system, no anything except crazy randomness. Bit like a drunk pilot wildly lurching away from one looming mountaintop and towards the next, all while flying upsidedown because he's too drunk to know which way is up. The crash is inevitable. Trying to figure out the best formation at Arsenal is like inquiring when the drinks will be served on that crazy plane.

So, we wait for the next fireball but this time we don't let that oiled up pilot anywhere near the controls.

[Power n Glory]

I wouldn't know, I don't pay any attention to any of that. All I know is if you get those 3 on a pitch and get them near the opposition goals then you'll score goals. Supplement with players who can cross a ball, and pass and have a bit of ambition and you're in good shape. The more I think about our summer signings the more bizarre it all seems. The club was willing to spend 90mill after all, or forced to, or whatever. But we weren't willing to go out and get that striker we've needed for an age, and I don't pay any attention to the idea none were available. That's BS, in the world of football it's about the money. Put the money on the table and the greedy bastards who are up for a cut will make any deal happen.

Instead we end up with a rag-tag bunch of overpriced second raters, with the exception of Xhaka perhaps. Ok, not good. Then the first CL game comes along and that manager sits the new CM and striker on the bench.

I really don't think there's any point in trying to figure out what's happening at Arsenal any more. There's no plan, no system, no anything except crazy randomness. Bit like a drunk pilot wildly lurching away from one looming mountaintop and towards the next, all while flying upsidedown because he's too drunk to know which way is up. The crash is inevitable. Trying to figure out the best formation at Arsenal is like inquiring when the drinks will be served on that crazy plane.

So, we wait for the next fireball but this time we don't let that oiled up pilot anywhere near the controls.

We can’t overlook that sort of stuff. This is how I imagine it would look if we played with two strikers, Ozil behind with wide players that can cross. We’ll never get Lewandowski but we can look at it.

-----------Alexis-------Lewandowski------

--------------------Ozil--------------------
Iwobi---------------------------Ox/Walcott
------------------Xhaka--------------------

Monreal------Kos------Mustafi------Bellerin

-------------------Cech--------------------

Swap out the players you don’t think should be starting but we’d be pretty open and fucked over quickly. We’d only have one DM playing if we’re trying to play with wide men. Unless we play the old AC Milan style diamond with the wingbacks overlapping for width and 4 central players making up the diamond. Or it’s a case of playing 3 at the back like Juve do.

This is all hypothetical of course. Nothing will change with Wenger but even if did change or we changed manager, I highly doubt we’d ever see Ozil playing behind two strikers. He’d have to played out wide and allowed to push in.

[selassie]

I wouldn't know, I don't pay any attention to any of that. All I know is if you get those 3 on a pitch and get them near the opposition goals then you'll score goals. Supplement with players who can cross a ball, and pass and have a bit of ambition and you're in good shape. The more I think about our summer signings the more bizarre it all seems. The club was willing to spend 90mill after all, or forced to, or whatever. But we weren't willing to go out and get that striker we've needed for an age, and I don't pay any attention to the idea none were available. That's BS, in the world of football it's about the money. Put the money on the table and the greedy bastards who are up for a cut will make any deal happen.

Instead we end up with a rag-tag bunch of overpriced second raters, with the exception of Xhaka perhaps. Ok, not good. Then the first CL game comes along and that manager sits the new CM and striker on the bench.

I really don't think there's any point in trying to figure out what's happening at Arsenal any more. There's no plan, no system, no anything except crazy randomness. Bit like a drunk pilot wildly lurching away from one looming mountaintop and towards the next, all while flying upsidedown because he's too drunk to know which way is up. The crash is inevitable. Trying to figure out the best formation at Arsenal is like inquiring when the drinks will be served on that crazy plane.

So, we wait for the next fireball but this time we don't let that oiled up pilot anywhere near the controls.

Brilliant

[GP]

I asked you who you'd replace Ozil with

Hugh Mungus.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I think your debates with Sherbert has finally caused you to have a stroke and you're now in your recovery P n G.

Though I do recall Ozil actively being ignored by his International team mates for 45 minutes before then finally coming into his own. Ozil has been desperately let down by the manager and his team mates.

[Power n Glory]

I think your debates with Sherbert has finally caused you to have a stroke and you're now in your recovery P n G.

Though I do recall Ozil actively being ignored by his International team mates for 45 minutes before then finally coming into his own. Ozil has been desperately let down by the manager and his team mates.

Am I out of line?

Last season was a travesty. The manager and players certainly didn't help Ozil but seeing where we are this season, I worry we'll see a repeat of that because I don't think Wenger will be patient with Sanchez or Perez up front. Which leads us back to the inevitable inclusion of Giroud. He's not an awful player but if we go down that road, we have to try something different because I can't see Ozil changing or Giroud. Ozil would probably thrive more with an off the shoulder pacey striker, not a target man like Giroud, but Giroud would probably thrive more off a more aggressive mobile AM or shadow striker.

How do you see things in light of what happened last season? The transfer window is over and Wenger isn't going anywhere for now.