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Seems unlikely you will ever have a manager in charge of a club for as long as Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger
L'Ouisseau is a frustrating old git who has in many ways squandered the potential of this club, but without him we wouldn't be in a position where that potential exists.
In terms of achievements his first ten years are going to be remembered more fondly, three league titles, four FA cups, being the first side to go through a league season unbeaten in this country since the 19th century and taking us to a European cup final.
Whatever bad blood has been caused by his stubborn arrogance and his failure to learn from past mistakes, his immortality is assured.
He stayed 12 years too long.
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Regardless of what you think of him it is an incredible achievement and possibly the last ever manager who'll reach it given how football is nowadays.
I mean whilst clearly for the majority now the results aren't good enough and change is needed (I include myself in that group), the reason he's been able to reach this milestone is because of the level of consistency he produces (i.e. Top Four minimum every year) which having seen some of the more heralded managers in the league completely screw up (Mourinho, LVG etc) isn't an easy thing to do even with a top squad.
Pretty much. He has stayed too long now, not 12 years but he should have bowed out after the FA Cups IMO.
Chapman was the most important manager in our earlier history, he's undoubtedly the most important in our modern history. The current level of expectation is entirely down to him, it's ironic in a way that he is only failing compared with himself in the first half of his tenure.
Overall though, he's earned his bust.
I agree with that, which is why I can't hate him as others seem to. The game has moved on though and he doesn't seem to have, and he is stubborn, so he's brought a lot of it on himself. He does seem to persist with his favourites when the player is clearly under performing, and other stuff.
I don't think people on here actually hate him, I think it's more hyperbole than anything borne out of frustration with the same old - season after season.
There is lacking an element of excitement about this Arsenal side and I think this stretches out towards a general sense of ennui of football in general.
In contrast it's hard to know how the Klopp revolution at Liverpool will work out, but in my mind other than City this is a side that plays the most exciting, attractive and purposeful football in the EPL at the moment.
NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.
Basically 2 titles vs 3 titles then. All the rest is totally irrelevant. Wenger has done slightly better than his predecessors. And yes, he's made the club much more powerful financially. That was't done for football reasons though and as marvelous as he supposedly is at counting the cash he's still a million miles behind the big boys.
His PL and CL record is actually quite average given the amazing players he's had at his disposal over the years. His cup record is very good. But his real achievement was the football he created over his early years. Which is why it's so hard to bear the shit mound he's sitting on today.
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