Wenger Slaughterhouse

[Syn]

He was replying to me

However i dont think Charlie has grasped how to use the "remember who you are replying to" line yet hence the confusion.

It was close enough, really. Gotta give him that.

Now if someone can explain what letters is talking about, that'd be handy.

[Cripps_orig]

Now if someone can explain what letters is talking about, that'd be handy.
Something the rest of us stopped talking about ages ago. Would it be mean to tell him that world war 2 is also over?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

50 Shades of Shite

Disgraceful the way Ach is treated on here.

[Syn]

Something the rest of us stopped talking about ages ago. Would it be mean to tell him that world war 2 is also over?

I meant with his first post, The one before the fifty shades of shite thing. But it seems Charlie has done you again. Time to retire bruv :haha:

[Dennis Bendtner]

Disgraceful the way Ach is treated on here.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e376/olibeast/OhSnapBlackKid7478154.gif

[Cripps_orig]

Disgraceful the way Ach is treated on here.

I dont get it

[Kano]

If people aren't enjoying the book they always think the answer is new chapters.

it was a good idea that didn't quite translate into text.

[LDG]

Chaz :bow:

Cripps :pal:

:haha:

[GP]

Merked.

[Cripps_orig]

I dont fully understand what just went on here but oh well

Me :haha:

Charlie :bow:

[Cripps_orig]

Arsene Wenger believes it is a compliment that Barcelona see Arsenal players as transfer targets.

For the past two summer transfer windows, Barcelona have signed two Arsenal midfielders in Alex Song, who arrived last month, and Cesc Fabregas, who made his move to the Camp Nou in August 2011.

Wenger claims the interest in his players from Barcelona means his squad are well-educated and that his members from his squad can adapt quickly to the Spanish club's playing style.

"That Barcelona come look and buy our players can be seen as a compliment for us," Wenger told Bein Sport.

"Because it proves that our players are well-educated and also that our players are those that are most relevant to their style of game."

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/09/13/3374275/it-is-a-compliment-that-barcelona-buy-arsenal-players-claims

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Goal.com

:haha:

[server too busy!]

Charlie is raping Ach these days lol

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Charlie is raping Ach these days lol

:haha:

Anyone who takes Goal.come seriously needs to be laughed at.

[GP]

:haha:

Anyone who takes Goal.come seriously needs to be laughed at.

:lol: QFT

[Cripps_orig]

:haha:

Anyone who takes Goal.come seriously needs to be laughed at.
Could be worse. Could be a Twitter lover like you

:haha:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Could be worse. Could be a Twitter lover like you

:haha:

Not on twitter that's Ollie Wrong again :haha:

[Cripps_orig]

Not on twitter that Ollie Wrong again :haha:

Of course you're not

Twitter lover :haha:

[Letters]

Not on twitter that Ollie Wrong again :haha:
:lol:

Ach :rose:

having another shocker.

[GP]

:lol:

Ach :rose:

having another shocker.

Syn's meltdown is amateur in comparison.

[Cripps_orig]

:lol:

Ach :rose:

having another shocker.Permission to say what i want?

[Letters]

Permission to say what i want?Not if it's personal abuse :tiphat:

[Cripps_orig]

Not if it's personal abuse :tiphat:

Not my style tbh

I dont need to get personal to make Charlie run off again like i did last time.

[Letters]

Not my style tbh.
I've had to edit 2 of your posts in the last half hour. Behave.

[Cripps_orig]

I've had to edit 2 of your posts in the last half hour. Behave.

And what about the posts provoking me?

[GP]

Show me proof, or a post where i have ever said i love twitter or posted stuff from twitter.

Ach :rose:

Just rise above it mate, no need to get involved.

[Letters]

And what about the posts provoking me?
I've edited one of those now.

Pack it in, both of you :rolleyes:

[Marc Overmars]

Wow

[Joker]

The story's also being reported on IB Times:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/384244/20120914/arsenal-transfer-news-barcelona-wenger-premier-league.htm

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Just rise above it mate, no need to get involved.
:gp: GP

[Letters]

What exactly is wrong with what he said anyone.
One of the best club sides in the world are interested in our players. That, you would imagine, rather implies they think they're rather good players.

[Kano]

And what about the posts provoking me?

you have a point.

[Joker]

What exactly is wrong with what he said anyone.
One of the best club sides in the world are interested in our players. That, you would imagine, rather implies they think they're rather good players.

Nothing, just saying that it wasn't only Goal.com who were reporting these quotes.

[Letters]

Fair enough :good:

[Niall_Quinn]

Not if it's personal abuse :tiphat:

The rules here get worse every day. When did this shit rule come in?

[Xhaka Can’t]

The rules here get worse every day. When did this shit rule come in?


It was only brought in to stop me calling you a ****.

You ****.
Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2

[Letters]

The rules here get worse every day. When did this shit rule come in?
When I saw your face. It's only fair on you.

[Cripps_orig]

you have a point.

Always do but you get the classic "Ach is being a WUM" line that posters and Mods hide behind when they are in the wrong.

Oh well.

Me and Charlie are fine from my side anyway. Hes the best poster on here

[Cripps_orig]

What exactly is wrong with what he said anyone.
One of the best club sides in the world are interested in our players. That, you would imagine, rather implies they think they're rather good players.

Hes trying to justify him bending over for Barca time and time again.

[Letters]

Hes trying to justify him bending over for Barca time and time again.
No he isn't. How about you focus on what he actually said and whether you agree or not, not some made up nonsense that you've decided he meant.

[Cripps_orig]

Well yes it is

Henry went for £16m. 16 fucking million? wtf

Best player in the world and we sell for peanuts and thats not even the worst of it

Cesc, Wenger actually went to the board to get them to accept a lower fee for the ****. Whats that about?

Wenger has put Barcelona on a pedestal. Why? They arent the best team in Europe. They arent even the best team in Spain.

It could be seen as a compliment if they were interested in our players but never actually got them. However they do and that makes us look like their feeder club or as its known in this area, their bitches and Arsenal shouldnt be anyones bitches.

Alas that is what Wenger has done to this once great club

[Kano]

those comments about barcelona are insensitive and do feel like he is taking the piss

i mean, arsenal fans cannot stand barcelona. we think they are despicable, horrible, rat eating ****s. so why on earth wenger would find an angle to use their constant fucking stalking of our players as a positive is beyond me.

the point isn't really what he said, because technically he is right but that he should go public with it. he should be plugged into what the fans are thinking more than that. it's a really stupid thing to come out with and try to sell to fans absolutely fed up to the back teeth of feeding barca and city our players.

[Letters]

Well yes it is

Henry went for £16m. 16 fucking million? wtf

Best player in the world and we sell for peanuts and thats not even the worst of it

Cesc, Wenger actually went to the board to get them to accept a lower fee for the ****. Whats that about?

Wenger has put Barcelona on a pedestal. Why? They arent the best team in Europe. They arent even the best team in Spain.

It could be seen as a compliment if they were interested in our players but never actually got them. However they do and that makes us look like their feeder club or as its known in this area, their bitches and Arsenal shouldnt be anyones bitches.

Alas that is what Wenger has done to this once great club
Henry was nearly 30 when we sold him, definitely not the best player in the world at that time and you're not going to get silly money for a player of that age.
Cesc was always going to go. He was only going to go one place. It made our bargaining position very difficult.
Why has Wenger put them on a pedestal? For the same reason everyone else has. You can split hairs over who is better, Real or Barca. There's not much in it. But those two are the two best clubs in Europe right now.

It is a compliment of a club at that level is interested in our players. It is a problem though if we keep selling our best players to them.

[LDG]

The point is surely that the best teams want our players, which must mean by definition, that we produce very good players.

But TT is right. Another insensitive gaff by Wenget here.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well yes it is

Henry went for £16m. 16 fucking million? wtf

Best player in the world and we sell for peanuts and thats not even the worst of it

Cesc, Wenger actually went to the board to get them to accept a lower fee for the ****. Whats that about?

Wenger has put Barcelona on a pedestal. Why? They arent the best team in Europe. They arent even the best team in Spain.

It could be seen as a compliment if they were interested in our players but never actually got them. However they do and that makes us look like their feeder club or as its known in this area, their bitches and Arsenal shouldnt be anyones bitches.

Alas that is what Wenger has done to this once great club

Who in their right mind would pay more then what we got for him, he was 30 and have a few injuries.


Wenger has put Barcelona on a pedestal. Why? They arent the best team in Europe. They arent even the best team in Spain.


Yeah because Barca were not winning stuff before we sold Henry to them infact Did the not win the CL the season before Henry went there. Silly thing to say really. But then Someone who is Biased againts Barca not suprised, where is gooners when you need him.

[Cripps_orig]

Shevchenko was 29 and he went for £30m+.....

Figo was around that age when he went to Real and he went for big money

Why is it silly to say they arent the best in Europe or Spain?

They are champions of neither. Didnt even reach the final of the CL last season so cant even say they were unlucky in a one off final. They had their asses kicked by 10 men in the 2nd leg of their semi.

As for Spain, they finished 9 points behind the leaders so it wasnt even close.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Shevchenko was 29 and he went for £30m+.....

Figo was around that age when he went to Real and he went for big money

Why is it silly to say they arent the best in Europe or Spain?

They are champions of neither. Didnt even reach the final of the CL last season so cant even say they were unlucky in a one off final. They had their asses kicked by 10 men in the 2nd leg of their semi.

As for Spain, they finished 9 points behind the leaders so it wasnt even close.

No, my point was about Wenger putting them on a pedestal. When its clear that they were big before we sold players to them.


Shevchenko was 29 and he went for £30m+.....

Figo was around that age when he went to Real and he went for big money


And maybe if we sold to those clubs we'd have got more, but henry wanted to go to barca anyways. So no way could we bargain.

[Cripps_orig]

:lol:

Thats a glorified pub team trophy if there ever was one. Its embarrassing that that competition is counted as a trophy when they look back at Guardiolas reign. Its a bit like adding the Community shield for Wenger.

I dont think Chelsea are either but they have more claim to it than Barca do.

[Letters]

They had their asses kicked by 10 men in the 2nd leg of their semi.
You know that's not true. You're just being silly. Chelsea won the CL. They are NOT the best team in Europe.
Yes, in Spain they finished 9 points off a team who got 100 points in a 38 game season. So they 'only' got 91 points scoring 114 goals.

Fair point about other big money transfers but one was Chelsea who were throwing money around - they spent silly money on SWP and stuck him on their bench. And Real bought Figo from Barca which was a big coup so understandably Barca insisted on big money.

[Cripps_orig]

No, my point was about Wenger putting them on a pedestal. When its clear that they were big before we sold players to them.



And maybe if we sold to those clubs we'd have got more, but henry wanted to go to barca anyways. So no way could we bargain.

I see you completely changed your post :blink:

I'll answer this one as well.

Barca are a massive club but in terms of being put on a pedestal, there are far more successful clubs than them. If any of them came after our players, then that would be a genuine compliment.

This BS about Henry and/or Cesc wanting to only go to Barca....they were our players. Soon as they said they didnt want to be with us then we should have put them on the market and sold to whoever bids highest. Another classic case of Wenger bending over for players and Barca

[Letters]

You can't make players sign for clubs they don't want to play at :doh:

[Cripps_orig]

You can't make players sign for clubs they don't want to play at :doh:

Then we tell them to STFU and stay. Its simple. If Barca didnt want to pay the asking price then we go to said players and point out to them that Barca are not willing to pay x amount of money for you but other clubs will be so it makes sense to sell to them or they can stay and be committed to us

What we dont do is go to the board and tell them to lower the asking price

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Then we tell them to STFU and stay. Its simple. If Barca didnt want to pay the asking price then we go to said players and point out to them that Barca are not willing to pay x amount of money for you but other clubs will be so it makes sense to sell to them or they can stay and be committed to us

What we dont do is go to the board and tell them to lower the asking price

You mean like with Sagna :haha:

Like letters said you can't sell a player to a club they want to go to, player power rules these days, the days of clubs telling players what to do is long gone.

[Letters]

The ultimate conclusion of that is you have a player who doesn't really want to be here (Cesc has been criticised on here for his performances in his last season, I didn't particularly agree but his mind was clearly elsewhere) and if you keep going down that road he ends up walking out on a free a couple of years later anyway. How does that help us?

[Cripps_orig]

You mean like with Sagna :haha:

Sagna hasnt said he wants to move. He said hes unhappy with the sale of our players which is understandable but yeah if he said he wants to move then put him on the market and sell to the highest bidder.

Who he wants to go to shouldnt come in to it

[Cripps_orig]

The ultimate conclusion of that is you have a player who doesn't really want to be here (Cesc has been criticised on here for his performances in his last season, I didn't particularly agree but his mind was clearly elsewhere) and if you keep going down that road he ends up walking out on a free a couple of years later anyway. How does that help us?
That wouldnt have happened. If Cesc had stayed, he'd have got his head right or his career would be destroyed cos who'd want him after 2 years of doing nothing?

Or if he was desperate to leave, you think he couldnt have got hold of one of his Barca mates and tell them to get their owners whoever to pay what was asked? They didnt have any trouble of talking shit about him all year, some of which i had no doubt came from convos they had with Cesc and they saw how he felt.

Barca had the money yet they got their man for less than half of what he was worth

[Olivier's xmas twist]

That wouldnt have happened. If Cesc had stayed, he'd have got his head right or his career would be destroyed cos who'd want him after 2 years of doing nothing?

Or if he was desperate to leave, you think he couldnt have got hold of one of his Barca mates and tell them to get their owners whoever to pay what was asked? They didnt have any trouble of talking shit about him all year, some of which i had no doubt came from convos they had with Cesc and they saw how he felt.

Barca had the money yet they got their man for less than half of what he was worth

No they were in Debt, and they could not afford to by both him and Alexis. they had to get a loan. Do i agree Fab should have saw that as how much they wanted him.

[Static]

I see you completely changed your post :blink:

I'll answer this one as well.

Barca are a massive club but in terms of being put on a pedestal, there are far more successful clubs than them. If any of them came after our players, then that would be a genuine compliment.

This BS about Henry and/or Cesc wanting to only go to Barca....they were our players. Soon as they said they didnt want to be with us then we should have put them on the market and sold to whoever bids highest. Another classic case of Wenger bending over for players and Barca
That's not him "bending over" for Barca, that's him allowing Cesc to return to his home. If Cesc's home was Real, Wenger would do the same thing in the very same situation, would that be Wenger "bending over" for Real?

When players come out and say that Wenger is/was a father figure to them, they mean it, sounds like something a father would do for his son to allow him to be happy.

[Cripps_orig]

That's not him "bending over" for Barca, that's him allowing Cesc to return to his home. If Cesc's home was Real, Wenger would do the same thing in the very same situation, would that be Wenger "bending over" for Real?

When players come out and say that Wenger is/was a father figure to them, they mean it, sounds like something a father would do for his son to allow him to be happy.
Like i said previously, once a player doesn't want to play for us anymore then he should be made available to all clubs. not just to who he wants to go to. We didn't owe Cesc shit. Fact Wenger didnt constitutes as him bending over for player

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Fact Wenger didnt constitutes as him bending over for player

Bending over for the player and bending over for barca are 2 diffrent things. Not his fault most of our players want to go to Barca not Real.

[Cripps_orig]

Bending over for the player and bending over for barca are 2 diffrent things. Not his fault most of our players want to go to Barca not Real.

Bending over is bending over regardless of who its for. It makes him and more importantly the club look weak.

[Syn]

Agree with ach on this - Arsene is a bit of a pussy when it comes to holding players. He was clearly unhappy with nasri going, for example, but then he says giving your captain to man utd was forced. No, he's under contract - fucking keep him for a year.

[Cripps_orig]

Look at what Tevez did at City.

They managed to keep him and they won the title.

Imagine if Wenger grew a set and kept some of our players.

Rooney at Man utd, Gerrard at Liverpool, both handed in transfer requests, clubs told both to stay, they stayed and the rest as they say is history

If a player is under contract then we have a choice of selling him or not when he wants to go. Fact we dont is Wenger bending over. He'd rather keep his reputation intact with his players ie they see him as a father figure blah blah blah than keep it with the most important people of all, the fans, most of whom are turning

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Bending over is bending over regardless of who its for. It makes him and more importantly the club look weak.

My point is Wenger did not sell Cesc to Barca, cause Barca wanted him, it was because Cesc wanted to go to Barca.

[Cripps_orig]

My point is Wenger did not sell Cesc to Barca, cause Barca wanted him, it was because Cesc wanted to go to Barca.
And my point is, who Cesc wanted to go to shouldnt play any part once he said he doesnt want to play for us anymore. Only reason we should have sold to Barca is if they outbid all the other teams. We didnt

Wenger bent over for them and Cesc

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Look at what Tevez did at City.

They managed to keep him and they won the title.

Imagine if Wenger grew a set and kept some of our players.

Rooney at Man utd, Gerrard at Liverpool, both handed in transfer requests, clubs told both to stay, they stayed and the rest as they say is history

If a player is under contract then we have a choice of selling him or not when he wants to go. Fact we dont is Wenger bending over. He'd rather keep his reputation intact with his players ie they see him as a father figure blah blah blah than keep it with the most important people of all, the fans, most of whom are turning


Just about, but had he not acted like a tit, they would have won it much earlier. You can't keep players that don't want to stay. do you think Cesc would have given his all had he stayed ?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Only reason we should have sold to Barca is if they outbid all the other teams. We didnt


And when RVP was sold to man utd who where the highest bidder what happend, Wenger got accused of being greedy.

Im not disagree or saying we should have sold Cesc to barca, but its where he wanted to go so it was either that or have a player who probs would have moaned for another season.

[Cripps_orig]

Just about, but had he not acted like a tit, they would have won it much earlier. You can't keep players that don't want to stay. do you think Cesc would have given his all had he stayed ?

As a great man once said

"It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning"

Cesc would have no choice. Give his all for us and then go at the end of his contract to whoever he wants cos hes talented enough to have his pick of clubs or rot in the reserves and join Birmingham later

[Cripps_orig]

And when RVP was sold to man utd who where the highest bidder what happend, Wenger got accused of being greedy.

Common sense is needed as well. Selling your best player to the team who finished directly above us and are one of the 2 we want to catch is not common sense

[Olivier's xmas twist]

As a great man once said

"It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning"

Cesc would have no choice. Give his all for us and then go at the end of his contract to whoever he wants cos hes talented enough to have his pick of clubs or rot in the reserves and join Birmingham later

Tis true.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Common sense is needed as well. Selling your best player to the team who finished directly above us and are one of the 2 we want to catch is not common sense

Well you can't have it both ways like you seem to say. 1 min you say sell to the highest bidder not matter who they are, then you say not to.

[Cripps_orig]

Well you can't have it both ways like you seem to say. 1 min you say sell to the highest bidder not matter who they are, then you say not to.

PSG and Juve were also after him. Could have easily have sold to them

[Olivier's xmas twist]

PSG and Juve were also after him. Could have easily have sold to them

PSG pulled out and so did Juve.

End of the day Your telling me if both Mancs and Barca wanted Cesc, should we then accept Barca's deal even though its less or the mancs even though its more and they are our rivals.

[Cripps_orig]

PSG pulled out and so did Juve.

End of the day Your telling me if both Mancs and Barca wanted Cesc, should we then accept Barca's deal even though its less or the mancs even though its more and they are our rivals.
Barcas

But that wasnt the case was it?

And PSG and Juve only pulled out once we were only going to talk to Mancs cos apparently the little kid inside RVP was telling him to go there

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Barcas

But that wasnt the case was it?



But then Selling him to Barca is bending over for him cause he wants to go there. :coffee:

[Cripps_orig]

But then Selling him to Barca is bending over for him cause he wants to go there. :coffee:

Its the lesser of 2 evils

[Marc Overmars]

You guys have had a productive day.

[Xhaka Can’t]

And my point is, who Cesc wanted to go to shouldnt play any part once he said he doesnt want to play for us anymore. Only reason we should have sold to Barca is if they outbid all the other teams. We didnt

Wenger bent over for them and Cesc

He also mugged them when he was a kid. Whatever they ended up paying for him is money they never should have spent in the first place.

But yeah, what Wenger said was pretty fucking stupid and insensitive when the fans are collectively sick to their back teeth of watching our best players go out the door.

[Özim]

Let's face it, Wenger cares about his players way too much, he basically gives into their every whim, ironically though he's happy to blame the fans the people who basically allow him to do what he does indirectly.

Some clubs play hardball with players who want to leave, other likes us just bend over and say thank you very much....I can't see other top teams selling their best players to teams they are suppose to be fighting for trophies against.....we do it all the time.

In the last few years it's almost like this club has no self respect, their was a day we'd have never sold to another English club, now because we've basically settled for 4th place we give them a helping hand winning trophies....no wonder we're small time!

Moving to the Emirates was suppose to make us challenge the best and help us become one of the world's biggest club, what's happened is the club has developed a small fish complex where they'll find any excuse to convince everyone they can't challenge for any trophies and that 4th place is a great achievement.

[Cripps_orig]

Let's face it, Wenger cares about his players way too much, he basically gives into their every whim, ironically though he's happy to blame the fans the people who basically allow him to do what he does indirectly.

Some clubs play hardball with players who want to leave, other likes us just bend over and say thank you very much....I can't see other top teams selling their best players to teams they are suppose to be fighting for trophies against.....we do it all the time.

In the last few years it's almost like this club has no self respect, their was a day we'd have never sold to another English club, now because we've basically settled for 4th place we give them a helping hand winning trophies....no wonder we're small time!

Moving to the Emirates was suppose to make us challenge the best and help us become one of the world's biggest club, what's happened is the club has developed a small fish complex where they'll find any excuse to convince everyone they can't challenge for any trophies and that 4th place is a great achievement.

Excellent post

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Let's face it, Wenger cares about his players way too much, he basically gives into their every whim, ironically though he's happy to blame the fans the people who basically allow him to do what he does indirectly.


When did he ever blamed the fans? But i agree his love for the club and his players is his biggest Flaw imo and it blinds him alot.

[Xhaka Can’t]

"He still needs to develop his skills berating fourth officials and kicking water bottles in disgust but I think one day he could refuse to buy any decent players at the highest level."

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/wenger-to-sign-16-year-old-manager-2012091441019

[Penguin]

I lol'ed :haha:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

bould in charge as wenger is in the stands

hopefully we win 5-0, the board decide to sack wenger and bouldy stays :bow:

[Cripps_orig]

bould in charge as wenger is in the stands

hopefully we win 5-0, the board decide to sack wenger and bouldy stays :bow:
Would rather have someone else than Bould but id take Bould ahead of Wenger all day everyday

[Olivier's xmas twist]

In village, I always look at where the ball pitched when I'm given out. Doesn't mean the pitch is injured. Just means it was a shit decision and the umpire's a bellend.

:lol:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Would rather have someone else than Bould but id take Bould ahead of Wenger all day everyday

bould comes and in 2 months does something to the defence wenger couldnt do in donkeys years

plus our organisation, shape and tactics have all improved in the space of 2 months.

bould > wenger

on top of that he actually shouts at players whilst wenger caresses them


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02340/bould_2340319b.jpg


bould :bow:

[Cripps_orig]

Oh hes better than Wenger in every way. I wouldnt disagree at all but id rather have a big name in next, someone who can undo the wrong Wenger has done.

Come in Mourinho

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

and it all came through pure luck

wenger wanted pat rice to carry on as assistant :haha:

shows how much he knows.

luckily pat gave up on wenger like all our previous players and fucked off too.

[Cripps_orig]

and it all came through pure luck

wenger wanted pat rice to carry on as assistant :haha:

shows how much he knows.

luckily pat gave up on wenger like all our previous players and fucked off too.

Pat Rice :bow:

Arsenal legend since the 70s

Bould likewise from the 80s

Who the fuck is Wenger?

[Marc Overmars]

Pat Rice :bow:

Arsenal legend since the 70s

Bould likewise from the 80s

Who the fuck is Wenger?

Legend from the 90's/early 00's.

No idea who this current imposter is though

[Cripps_orig]

Legend from the 90's/early 00's.

No idea who this current imposter is though
Maybe that was the imposter and this is the real Wenger?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Legend from the 90's/early 00's.

No idea who this current imposter is though

:gp:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Oh hes better than Wenger in every way. I wouldnt disagree at all but id rather have a big name in next, someone who can undo the wrong Wenger has done.

Come in Mourinho

Nah Real can keep him.

[Cripps_orig]

Nah Real can keep him.
Nah he'll be sacked :pray:

And come home to England

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Nah he'll be sacked :pray:

And come home to England

Fergie's replacement tbh and he'll take Ronaldo there with him.

[Cripps_orig]

Fergie's replacement tbh and he'll take Ronalso there with him.

Ronalso :bow:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Ronalso :bow:

So's your face.

[Kano]

Robin van Persie is the kind of player you rarely meet in your life: an exception, the very definition of the word. He has everything a coach dreams to have in a single player: he's smart, classy, clever when he moves, has killer-instinct, and is focused during 90 minutes.

He has a deep love for football. He watches matches at home, analysing everything. It's so rare for a single player to have such a quest for perfection, allied with such talent and class. It's fortunate. He spent eight seasons with me, and he never stopped developing himself. We could never imagine he would become the player he is right now. It hurts to see him wear another shirt when he is at top level.

He's not difficult to manage because he is an ultra-pro. He's at home every night. If you ring him at 10 in the evening, he will answer, because he will be watching some game or preparing himself for some match. With those roots, he is easy to work with. You can have different views to him and, because he has a strong character, he expresses himself like the Dutch usually do when talking about football. But it's pretty easy to discuss things with him because every movement, every gesture has to be done with perfection for him.

Now he's gone, don't ask the fans to understand what is not understandable. Even I do not understand, and I am deep at the heart of the decisions. You have to deal with it. That's life. We are here to help people to express their talents. A coach must have a positive influence on their players' lives.

I would have preferred Van Persie to sign for a club in a foreign country, in order to avoid playing against him several times per season, but it's a fine challenge for us to prove we can exist after such a move, to show we can score goals, play well and survive everything.

RVP and Wayne Rooney have everything to play together. Sometimes, great goalscorers don't really fit together. But if you analyse the pair's technical skills on the pitch, it can work. It will require some understanding, from the technical and from the personal point of view, but their separate success will increase the links between them. If those links exist and if they both score, it will be very, very strong.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/arsene-wenger/impossible-explain-van-persie-loss-063243582--sow.html

[Boss]

While I understand the jizzfest over Bould ( :bow: :bow: ), let's wait and see how the team does against proper opposition before we collectively cream over our defensive strength.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well we were letting in goals against everybody last season so I am not sure why we always have to 'wait'.

In any case, you can just see there is more of a defensive shape. That's not to say we won't concede goals, every side will but I am hoping the goals we concede won't be from us being caught out.

[I_Killed_Kenny]

we have to observe the waiting period before little judgements

[LDG]

Well we were letting in goals against everybody last season so I am not sure why we always have to 'wait'.

In any case, you can just see there is more of a defensive shape. That's not to say we won't concede goals, every side will but I am hoping the goals we concede won't be from us being caught out.

Yup.

It's noticable that we are being less gung ho from the back, with Tommy V sitting in, and whilst the fullbacks are getting forward, the midfield and wider attackers are covering off the space left behind.

Last season we were caught too many times on the counter attack, and from leaving space out wide for opposing players to run into. Those spaces are now closed off.

We're defending better from set pieces too. Closer marking, and none of those gaps between the keeper and the back line.

[Syn]

Patrice must be feeling like shit with all this praise for Bould. Wonder what he's up to these days.

[Letters]

We've actually got a 'nice problem to have' at centre back. Vermy as captain has to play most games but either Merts of Koschelny (no, I can't spell it) would be good partners. The full backs are doing OK and we have Santos around and Sagna to come back.
Goalkeeper is a slight concern but overall we are looking better back there.

[LDG]

Patrice must be feeling like shit with all this praise for Bould. Wonder what he's up to these days.

Sat on his sofa in his shorts and sunglasses, turning round to his wife and almost saying something, before the realisation dawns, and his face drops.

Then in the kitchen, he frantically rearranges coasters on the counter, pointing with glee at the straight line of four he has created, before his wife scalds him....and it reminds him of days gone by.

See him alone. In the garden, jogging down the side of the flowerbeds, and when he reaches the end, turning, quick, sharp and belting it towards the patio windows.

[Syn]

:(

[Letters]

before his wife scalds him.
With hot water?



:coney:

[Niall_Quinn]

With hot water?



:coney:

Has Coney died of old age?

[LDG]

Has Coney died of old age?

Yes, he had just turned one pundred :rose:

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Has Coney died of old age?

Left shortly after you. . .adding that he would never return until you did!

Just. . .that nobody can be bothered to tell him you're back :whistle:

[Letters]

Yes, he had just turned one pundred :rose:
:haha:

Brilliant.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Patrice must be feeling like shit with all this praise for Bould. Wonder what he's up to these days.


there was a picture going round of him in a pub in boston (i think, well somewhere in america) watching the game with everyone else on saturday.

think he is a scout now for us but just having a holiday right now

[Cripps_orig]

Patrice must be feeling like shit with all this praise for Bould. Wonder what he's up to these days.

Apparently he got hired by his local park and he walks around the park putting out the cones/jackets/jumpers for goal posts for matches

[Ollie the Optimist]

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/arsene-wenger/impossible-explain-van-persie-loss-063243582--sow.html

you can tell rvc fucking off hurt wenger badly but just shows the class of the man that instead of moaning, he praises him even though he is hurting.

though in reality, wenger should have just come out with hes a one season wonder and a massive fucking judas ****

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Patrice must be feeling like shit with all this praise for Bould. Wonder what he's up to these days.

Well I think Suarez has been standing outside his house for the last week with a bat so probably not very much.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well we were letting in goals against everybody last season so I am not sure why we always have to 'wait'.

In any case, you can just see there is more of a defensive shape. That's not to say we won't concede goals, every side will but I am hoping the goals we concede won't be from us being caught out.

:gp:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Patrice .

Yoe mean Pat Rice.

[Syn]

Yes, that is correct.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/images/jul_12/gun__1342424137_bould_southampton.jpg

Bouldy putting down Old Yeller Pat.

[LDG]

http://images.contentreserve.com/ImageType-100/0111-1/%7BDF2E0E4E-58E3-4F6E-BECB-3D510B6B6006%7DImg100.jpg

2%

:rose:

[Syn]

:haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Left shortly after you. . .adding that he would never return until you did!

Just. . .that nobody can be bothered to tell him you're back :whistle:

I'm leaving again in sympathy then.

[GP]

Fank thuck

[Niall_Quinn]

you can tell rvc fucking off hurt wenger badly but just shows the class of the man that instead of moaning, he praises him even though he is hurting.

though in reality, wenger should have just come out with hes a one season wonder and a massive fucking judas ****

Wenger will leave the game without having to look back and regret his behaviour, unlike so many others. He's a classy guy and he has maintained that through shit storm after shit storm rained down on him by a string of spoilt ****s. You could say he is naive, but why should he tend towards the more grubby nature of the game simply because the rest are weak and flawed? It's hard to stick with principles when characters of trivial stature are not so constrained and view principles as a weakness and an angle for exploitation. Wenger flies in their face anyway and whether you love him or hate him for it you can't deny he's a cut above the rest and streets ahead of the glorified trailer trash that litters the game.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fank thuck

I'm back. Did you miss me?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Left shortly after you. . .adding that he would never return until you did!

Just. . .that nobody can be bothered to tell him you're back :whistle:

Coney left, Flavs, left, NQ, left ans I Left, GW must have really sucked.

[GP]

I'm back. Did you miss me?

Are you Falvs?

[Özim]

Wenger will leave the game without having to look back and regret his behaviour, unlike so many others. He's a classy guy and he has maintained that through shit storm after shit storm rained down on him by a string of spoilt ****s. You could say he is naive, but why should he tend towards the more grubby nature of the game simply because the rest are weak and flawed? It's hard to stick with principles when characters of trivial stature are not so constrained and view principles as a weakness and an angle for exploitation. Wenger flies in their face anyway and whether you love him or hate him for it you can't deny he's a cut above the rest and streets ahead of the glorified trailer trash that litters the game.
Fighting with managers, refusing to shake hands, spouting BS all the time, blaming the fans for Adebayor, jumping up and down when things don't go his way.....hmmmm yeah very classy...

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Wenger flies in their face anyway and whether you love him or hate him for it you can't deny he's a cut above the rest and streets ahead of the glorified trailer trash that litters the game.

bit harsh. i personally think ach does alright around here.

[Letters]

Fighting with managers, refusing to shake hands, spouting BS all the time, blaming the fans for Adebayor, jumping up and down when things don't go his way.....hmmmm yeah very classy...
Unlike all other top managers who maintain a quiet dignity in all situations of course.
He's no worse (and no better) than any of the others.

[Cripps_orig]

bit harsh. i personally think ach does alright around here.
Best in the world at what i do

[Cripps_orig]

Coney left, Flavs, left, NQ, left ans I Left, GW must have really sucked.

NQ is back. I apologised to you and thus you came back

Coney will return eventually.

Flavs isnt a major loss. Its a bit like Arsenal selling Denilson. He was around for ages but no one really liked him and now hes gone, he wont be missed

[Özim]

Flavs isnt a major loss. Its a bit like Arsenal selling Denilson. He was around for ages but no one really liked him and now hes gone, he wont be missed
I'll miss his spelling :run:

[Özim]

Unlike all other top managers who maintain a quiet dignity in all situations of course.
He's no worse (and no better) than any of the others.
Just responding to the comments about him being a cut above the rest.

[Cripps_orig]

I'll miss his spelling :run:

Charlie is doing well in that department.

As well as putting his commas anywhere in a sentence

Charlie :bow:

If Charlie was a footballer, he'd be Frimpong

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

LEAVE, IT YEAH!

DNECH

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Unlike all other top managers who maintain a quiet dignity in all situations of course.
He's no worse (and no better) than any of the others.

:gp:

[LDG]

If you were a footballer you'd be Heskey, cause your 50 shades of shit.

:haha:

[Letters]

In last week's "Mock The Week"
If this is the answer what is the question.
Answer 736

Hugh Dennis: "Is it...what would Emile Heskey's squad number be if he played for Barcelona?"

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

Fighting with managers, refusing to shake hands, spouting BS all the time, blaming the fans for Adebayor, jumping up and down when things don't go his way.....hmmmm yeah very classy...

Either he's happy losing or he's not - make your mind up.

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ is back. I apologised to you and thus you came back

Coney will return eventually.

Flavs isnt a major loss. Its a bit like Arsenal selling Denilson. He was around for ages but no one really liked him and now hes gone, he wont be missed

Apologised? For what?

Regardless - apology NOT accepted!

[Özim]

Either he's happy losing or he's not - make your mind up.
He's content enough losing that he won't lose any sleep over it and won't change his methods/mindset.

Doesn't mean he doesn't get annoyed when things don't go his way, clearly he does (and shows a petty side at times) but when push comes to shove he's put it behinds and continues to follow his flawed methods.

[Özim]

i dont know about you Zimm but im pretty sure he has changed his methods in the last year. signing proven players, arteta, merts, santos, cazorla, podolski instead of youngsters unless they are special like the ox.

rice has gone, we know have bould, wenger didnt have to promote him but he did, thus thats a change in his ideas etc. in the last year we have seen a more ruthless wenger, you only to have look at song and sagna, we have seen the best team spirt since 2006. there has been a massive change in his ideas, we will see the success or failure of them more this year then last year but i think we all agree he has changed his ideas and how to go about them
I'd agree with you if we hadn't lost 4 first teamers in that time, it seems to me he's been forced into changes and if you look at the figures we've still made a profit from players sales in that time so he's not really invested in the team as such.

You can say he's made changes but from what I saw last season the same problems existed and we once again completely collapsed and dropped out of everything when it mattered due to lack of squad strength and quality.

Rice has gone yes, but once again that wasn't Wenger choice, if Rice wanted to stay on he would have. I'm not sure about this ruthless side you mention, pretty much all the players we sold wanted to leave after not being happy with something at the club, Wenger just held the door open for them and patted them on the back from what I can see.

We're not really moving forward in my eyes, we're spending the money we get from selling players to replace them, overally we haven't replaced like for like.

[Letters]

Clearly he does, but you have to question the common sense of a man who goes 7 seasons with success and still believes in the same flawed methods.

At some stage you have to open your eyes and realise it just hasn't worked, coming 4th every season is hardly the best thing for the club....success would be the best thing for the club as success equals, more fans, more marketing income, more merchandising and thus greater revenue/profit.
The thing is, it's not like his policies have been an unmitigated disaster. We've not slid into mid-table or worse. We've finished top 4 every year, we've got to the latter stages of the CL every year. We've been in the latter stages of domestic cup competitions on several occasions and we've flirted with the title a couple of times.

The frustrating thing is that we never finished the job and we didn't need a radical change of strategy to push on. One or two big signings over the last 7 years could have produced a very different outcome.

We do look like we have the makings of a goos side this year, we'll be top 4 again IMO. But again, the frustrating thing is this side + Song and RvP would seriously challenge. We never seem to push on and take the final step which could bring success.

[Özim]

The thing is, it's not like his policies have been an unmitigated disaster. We've not slid into mid-table or worse. We've finished top 4 every year, we've got to the latter stages of the CL every year. We've been in the latter stages of domestic cup competitions on several occasions and we've flirted with the title a couple of times.

The frustrating thing is that we never finished the job and we didn't need a radical change of strategy to push on. One or two big signings over the last 7 years could have produced a very different outcome.

We do look like we have the makings of a goos side this year, we'll be top 4 again IMO. But again, the frustrating thing is this side + Song and RvP would seriously challenge. We never seem to push on and take the final step which could bring success.
I totally agree, it hasn't been a disaster but in a sense the whole club seem happy with what we achieve (apart from the players).

We could bring in a bit more quality and really push on, but everytime it seems to be bring in some decent players and sell a couple first teamers, I don't see how that will ever bring back success. We need to build on what we have, instead we're constantly re-building to stay at the same level.

This season has started fairly well, but we all know that generally we struggle at the tail end of the season (when injuries, tiredness and pressure all play a part) not the beginning (except for last season), therefore you can't really judge anything right now.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I'd agree with you if we hadn't lost 4 first teamers in that time, it seems to me he's been forced into changes and if you look at the figures we've still made a profit from players sales in that time so he's not really invested in the team as such.

You can say he's made changes but from what I saw last season the same problems existed and we once again completely collapsed and dropped out of everything when it mattered due to lack of squad strength and quality.

Rice has gone yes, but once again that wasn't Wenger choice, if Rice wanted to stay on he would have. I'm not sure about this ruthless side you mention, pretty much all the players we sold wanted to leave after not being happy with something at the club, Wenger just held the door open for them and patted them on the back from what I can see.

We're not really moving forward in my eyes, we're spending the money we get from selling players to replace them, overally we haven't replaced like for like.

i take the point about 4 first teamers going in that time, however we have replaced them two of them if form is kept up (gervinho for nasri, cazorla for fabregas) if these two keep up current form then thats sorted (big if though) and well rvc is not going to be replaced, he is world class and song, well diaby can do it if fit. again big if but thats three out of four replaced.

the point about not ivesting as such, its true to an extent however we did spend 35 million this year on 3 top class players which is more then normal, add in ox, arteta, merts, santos and i think in the last year we have spent close to 100 million. yes we have still made profit but he has spent well so i think its a slightly unfair accusation to level at him when we have brought good players. if we spent it on unproven ones then yes but these arent unproven players.

last seaon yes was a fuck up in being knocked out and that will be judged this year in wether bould will have had a good effect with defence etc etc, but i take massive confidnece from the way we got third, yes i know its third and its not good neough however we would normally have choked and failed yet we didnt, granted it took to the last game of the season and it shouldnt have but still something to work on. if we fail again this year i will agree with you but lets wait and see...

yep i think rice made the decision however my point was that he didnt have to promote bould, who knows maybe bould said to wenger i wont do it unless you give me control over tatics and defence etc who knows. it working so far, im happy.

with the ruthlessness i think there is something, i still belive he kicked song out, not to balance books but kicked him out, rvc was shown hte door, yes he went to united but hte club were angry. sagna too i think got a bollocking, if not from wenger, i reckon bould would have gone postal on him.

]he has made some changes yes, if it fails agin this year then you are right, but i think its different to the last seven years. one more year. lets wait and see.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I totally agree, it hasn't been a disaster but in a sense the whole club seem happy with what we achieve (apart from the players).

We could bring in a bit more quality and really push on, but everytime it seems to be bring in some decent players and sell a couple first teamers, I don't see how that will ever bring back success. We need to build on what we have, instead we're constantly re-building to stay at the same level.

This season has started fairly well, but we all know that generally we struggle at the tail end of the season (when injuries, tiredness and pressure all play a part) not the beginning (except for last season), therefore you can't really judge anything right now.

you are right here of course, however you can judge one thing with us this year. defence. the differnce in four games has been fantastic. they have looked good, we have been to two places where you would expect us to struggle, we didnt.

after four games last year, conceded 14 goals, this year just the one. you can judge that a massive improvement has been made

[fakeyank]

Thank Allah :patrice: is gone!

[Power n Glory]

you are right here of course, however you can judge one thing with us this year. defence. the differnce in four games has been fantastic. they have looked good, we have been to two places where you would expect us to struggle, we didnt.

after four games last year, conceded 14 goals, this year just the one. you can judge that a massive improvement has been made

The fact that Steve Bould has come in and made an obvious impact on our defence says a lot. Wenger has been stubborn for too long when it comes to strategy and tactics. I hope we've turned finally turned a corner.

[Syn]

The fact that Steve Bould has come in and made an obvious impact on our defence says a lot. Wenger has been stubborn for too long when it comes to strategy and tactics. I hope we've turned finally turned a corner.

Unbelievable that a fresh pair of eyes didn't have a go earlier. Wenger supposed to be a stats man, this sort of stuff is simple.

[Kano]

I totally agree, it hasn't been a disaster but in a sense the whole club seem happy with what we achieve (apart from the players).
nah, the players are happy to coast along apart from the ****s that trot off for more cash.

the only player i could give a rats arse about in our team is jenkinson. for the time being he is raw round the edges, eager to work hard and still seems like a big kid who can't quite believe he is playing for his club. he loves the club which is rare so i have to hope he doesn't get too good and gets sucked into the england national fold where he will be ruined forever.

[Xhaka Can’t]

We have a 100% record under Bould. Wenger can only dream of such a record.

[Ollie the Optimist]

The fact that Steve Bould has come in and made an obvious impact on our defence says a lot. Wenger has been stubborn for too long when it comes to strategy and tactics. I hope we've turned finally turned a corner.

i hope too. i think wenger needs bould now. wenger to do what he does best, bould does what he does best and i think we have a great partnership there.

however as shown tonight, bould cant think on his feet without wenger yet, there is no way we should have left two subs till the 90th minute

[Master Splinter]

Do not forget we have also Banfield.

No, seriously, don't forget his input.

[Cripps_orig]

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger admits it hurts him to watch Robin van Persie playing in a Manchester United shirt.

The Holland international played under Wenger for eight seasons before leaving to join Premier League rivals United for a fee in the region of £24 million, and his ex-manager has praised Van Persie’s attributes.

Writing in his Eurosport column, Wenger said: “Robin van Persie is the kind of player you rarely meet in your life: an exception, the very definition of the word.

“He has everything a coach dreams to have in a single player: he's smart, classy, clever when he moves, has killer-instinct, and is focused during 90 minutes.

“He spent eight seasons with me, and he never stopped developing himself. We could never imagine he would become the player he is right now. It hurts to see him wear another shirt when he is at top level.

“Now he's gone, don't ask the fans to understand what is not understandable. Even I do not understand, and I am deep at the heart of the decisions.

“You have to deal with it. That's life. We are here to help people to express their talents. A coach must have a positive influence on their players' lives.”

Italian giants Juventus were reportedly chasing Van Persie’s signature before he moved to Old Trafford and Wenger has admits he would have rather sold him abroad.

He added: "I would have preferred Van Persie to sign for a club in a foreign country, in order to avoid playing against him several times per season, but it's a fine challenge for us to prove we can exist after such a move, to show we can score goals, play well and survive everything."

Although he is pained by Van Persie's decision to move to Old Trafford, Wenger believes his former star striker can form a deadly strike partnership with Wayne Rooney.

“RVP and Wayne Rooney have everything to play together," he continued. "Sometimes, great goalscorers don't really fit together. But if you analyse the pair's technical skills on the pitch, it can work.

“It will require some understanding, from the technical and from the personal point of view, but their separate success will increase the links between them.

"If those links exist and if they both score, it will be very, very strong.”

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/09/18/3385747/wenger-it-hurts-to-see-van-persie-wearing-another-shirt

Seems to me like hes giving the fans the ok to insult the **** as much as we want

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/09/18/3385747/wenger-it-hurts-to-see-van-persie-wearing-another-shirt

Seems to me like hes giving the fans the ok to insult the **** as much as we want

Wumger :bow:

[Japan Shaking All Over]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/09/18/3385747/wenger-it-hurts-to-see-van-persie-wearing-another-shirt

Seems to me like hes giving the fans the ok to insult the **** as much as we want

You mean like Joker was doing in any case?

[Cripps_orig]

You mean like Joker was doing in any case?

And rightly so as it turned out

Joker :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

And rightly so as it turned out

Joker :bow:
Yep, Joker was right about that ****. It was funny the way I pretended not to go along with it.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Yep, Joker was right about that ****. It was funny the way I pretended not to go along with it.

Nah Joker was pissed he never chose City :coffee:

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Nah Joker was pissed he never chose City :coffee:

All it needs is for Pods not to get on the scoresheet against Citeh and accusations of not turning up for big games will come raining in. . .have my reaction clock set on 'snooze' mode for that. . .

[LDG]

http://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/571737.jpg

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Happy 16th anniversary of managing Arsenal, Mr. WUMger. :bow:

[LDG]

:scarf:

One Arsene Wenger! There's only one Arsene Wenger!!

:bow:

[Master Splinter]

On being reminded he had been in the Arsenal hot seat for sixteen years, Wenger quipped, with a knowingly mischievous smirk, "Another sixteen? Why not?"

"If I had told you in 1996 I would be here for nearly two decades, you would not have believed me! There was maybe an 18:83 chance of such a consistent managerial run. Perhaps 19.58%. But no, I do not think I am exceptional to be in this position. Is it an exceptional quality to be in one job for so long? I do not like to comment on speculation. But yes, Dario Gradi is special quality."

The Frenchman believes good health is the key to his long tenure and hopes he can continue as long the Arsenal hierarchy wants him.

"If you talk to Alex Ferguson, Martin O'Neill or Capello, they will tell you it is little bit a young man's game. But maybe Steve Kean and Southgate tell you it is not!"

Whatever the future holds, Wenger feels lucky to be in his position.

"Was I unknown when I came to Arsenal? Yes. Was I given time to prove my qualities? I can not say. But I only expected to be here for two to three weeks and it has become as well you know a lifetime!"


http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-as-well-of-course

[GP]

Sixteen More Years! Sixteen More Years! Sixteen More Years! :scarf:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-as-well-of-course

you bastard.

took me til the end of the second paragraph to realise what was going on. was reading every sentence twice to try and make sense of it all.

[Niall_Quinn]

"Another sixteen? Why not?"

Ach will last maybe two of those.

[V-Pig]

Ach will last maybe two of those.

16 more years :bow:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:bow: Wumger

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Give him a 16 year contract.

[Cripps_orig]

Hes had a shocker today

Give him a 16 second contract

[Ollie the Optimist]

today was a bad day, i understand dropping merts as agaisnt pace and fluid movement you need pace however it backfired. blame kos more for that wenger and i also think bould iwll have had a say in the decision.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Hes had a shocker today

Give him a 16 second contract

Your best post ever.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

today was a bad day, i understand dropping merts as agaisnt pace and fluid movement you need pace however it backfired. blame kos more for that wenger and i also think bould iwll have had a say in the decision.

Did not help TV5 being terrible today.

[Marc Overmars]

today was a bad day, i understand dropping merts as agaisnt pace and fluid movement you need pace however it backfired. blame kos more for that wenger and i also think bould iwll have had a say in the decision.

Merts reads the game better than anyone.

Absolutley no way he should have been dropped.

[Joker]

Tactically found wanting again tbh.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I don't think tactics really came in to it. It's not like Chelsea stifled us out of the game, just two setpieces full of horrific defending.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

drop our most experienced and impressive defender for the kos-verm circus act :doh: :haha: :haha:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Tactically found wanting again tbh.

Nout to do with tactics.

[Marc Overmars]

Merts would've been all over Torres like a rash for that first goal. That was such a poor goal to concede.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Merts would've been all over Torres like a rash for that first goal. That was such a poor goal to concede.

Yep, but he may have brought him down too or given a pen away who knows. Still a stupid decision to drop him. Personally just think oo their Quality was too good in the end.

If you want to win games like that you need better players then we have, not just 1 or 2.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Sorry Arsene but you need to piss off, retire which ever one you like. Go upstairs, downstairs, through the cat flap just piss off

[Gervinho's Forehead]

He needs to be given the "Thanksgiving turkey killed humanely" treatment (South Park ref)

[Joker]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/10/29/1288361526422/Arsene-Wenger-006.jpg

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Yeah making the board money who cares about winning.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

swear to god the day this senile old c*nt leaves this club ill fucking cheer with delight.

tosspot

[Olivier's xmas twist]

swear to god the day this senile old c*nt leaves this club ill fucking cheer with delight.

tosspot

Yeah but thats enough about phw, what about wumger. :coffee:

[-Xs-]

To think of the days you could almost mention Ferguson and Wenger in the same breath.

Wenger's just become a bad caricature of himself, making less and less sense as the weeks/months/years roll on.

I used to fear the day he would leave Arsenal because I felt he'd take most the squad with him. Now, he's welcome to. Man can f'king do one

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

im not racist against him leaving.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's 210 minutes of Santos being slaughtered and Wenger has done nothing about it, just let it happen. He must have seen it but does nothing. On the other hand he sees Giroud being effective, against a shit Reading granted, but then watches for 90 minutes today as he is completely isolated. Again nothing is done to change it, no attempt whatsoever to bring Giroud into the game. I'm at a complete loss to even guess at what he's seeing, what he's thinking, how he imagines persevering with such obvious calamity can be of benefit, what he thinks might happen eventually if he just leaves it, how long he thinks we can go waiting for this mysterious payoff without taking so many hits it won't matter a damn anyway. Has he had a stroke or something, some sort of mental condition that makes it impossible for him to see Santos? Or makes it appear Santos is having a great game? Is he being blackmailed by Aaron Ramsey?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

That's 210 minutes of Santos being slaughtered and Wenger has done nothing about it, just let it happen. He must have seen it but does nothing. On the other hand he sees Giroud being effective, against a shit Reading granted, but then watches for 90 minutes today as he is completely isolated. Again nothing is done to change it, no attempt whatsoever to bring Giroud into the game. I'm at a complete loss to even guess at what he's seeing, what he's thinking, how he imagines persevering with such obvious calamity can be of benefit, what he thinks might happen eventually if he just leaves it, how long he thinks we can go waiting for this mysterious payoff without taking so many hits it won't matter a damn anyway. Has he had a stroke or something, some sort of mental condition that makes it impossible for him to see Santos? Or makes it appear Santos is having a great game? Is he being blackmailed by Aaron Ramsey?

http://www.setanta.com/Global/Images/sport/football/2011-2012/Premier%20League/Arsenal/Arsene%20Wenger/WengerArsene_Smiles.jpg

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://www.setanta.com/Global/Images/sport/football/2011-2012/Premier%20League/Arsenal/Arsene%20Wenger/WengerArsene_Smiles.jpg

"Im getting paid in the morning, I'm getting paid in the morning"

[Cripps_orig]

It may not have matched the 8-2 drubbing suffered at Old Trafford last season, but Arsenal’s 2-1 defeat at Manchester United on Saturday lunchtime was an all-too familiar tale for the Gunners as they yet again failed to produce in a big game.

Arsene Wenger’s side lacked any sort of spark or imagination going forward, and the defence which has shipped the fewest goals in the Premier League this season was easily exploited by United’s wealth of attacking talent.

What is more worrying is that the Gunners boss chose to stick with an XI that barely scraped past a poor QPR side just a week earlier.

Andre Santos looked well out of his depth on the left of Arsenal’s defence, and was run ragged by the ever-threatening Antonio Valencia. The former Fenerbahce man struggled where youngster Kieran Gibbs may have succeeded, and he certainly didn’t match the £6.2million fee paid for him at the beginning of last season.

Wenger aim is surely to build a strong back four echoing the classic defence from the late eighties and nineties, but times have changed and the 63-year-old needs to be able to adjust his side to fit their opponents, and not stick blindly with the same tried, tested and failed formula.

Thomas Vermaelen had a particularly poor game for the Gunners, shanking a clearance which inevitably created the opening goal for Robin van Persie, and almost making the same mistake again when the former Arsenal striker robbed the Belgium international and nearly provided a goal for Valencia.

Aaron Ramsey has also struggled for form since returning to the side after his horrific leg break, and the Wales international never truly looked comfortable deployed in a wide position. Theo Walcott’s introduction early in the second half proved futile as the Gunners struggled to string together any meaningful periods of possession.

Had the England international started the game it could have been a different story, but his fall to the lower depths of Arsenal’s squad meant he was always unlikely to earn a spot in the starting line-up. His fantastic display against Reading in the Capital One Cup had many clamouring for him to start, though Wenger may have argued that, after playing 120 minutes of football, his charge may have struggled with another full afternoon.

These are worrying times for the Gunners, when it is hard to see where the goals are coming from. The injured Gervinho’s threat was missed, but the Ivory Coast forward only has three goals in the Premier League this season, and new signing Olivier Giroud is still struggling to settle into life in England.

One of the key problems is that Wenger is not renowned for being proactive and reacting to match situations. Jack Wilshere’s red card was a perfect example of these shortcomings.

Less than ten minutes before Wilshere picked up his second yellow of the game, Sir Alex Ferguson hauled off Tom Cleverley – also on a yellow – when referee Mike Dean gave him a final warning after the midfielder fouled Arsenal’s number 10.

The United boss saw the impending danger and immediately reacted. Wenger did not, and Arsenal ultimately paid the price as they failed to make any serious inroads into the Red Devils’ two-goal lead.

The gap between Arsenal and the top is ever-increasing. Wenger has to be prepared to adapt if the Gunners are to have any hope of picking up silverware this season, including the “fifth trophy” of Champions League qualification.

Spot on

[Power n Glory]

It's all been said before and I'm just waiting to see his squad selection for Champs League to see how far he's willing to go with this stupidity.

[Cripps_orig]

The squad will more or less be the same.

Its the starting line up that should looked upon

If Ramsey is on the right again, Wenger needs to be sacked

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Spot on

You can't teach an old dog new tricks, maybe except for SAF.

Wenger is spent, he should go before he drags the club further below any level of respectablility. He's an arrogant, deluded ****, who's stuck in his flawed ideals and ways of doing things.

We see an ever changing football climate around us but he never seems to do anything different. Same old, same old, whether it be on or off the pitch activities.

He needs to just fuck off.

[Cripps_orig]

Wengers reputations is in tatters. His legacy ruined. On a personal level he is a nobody now.

As a club, we still have some sort of respect but to keep that and to build it back up, we indeed need Wenger to fuck off asap

[V-Pig]

Wenger is spent, he should go before he drags the club further below any level of respectablility. He's an arrogant, deluded ****, who's stuck in his flawed ideals and ways of doing things.

He needs to just fuck off.

Wow.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Wow.

Wrong thread, it's not the mindless optimism thread.

[jelgoon]

I sort of agree although many in the media still go on about how great he is. Fortunately there is still Hansen on MOTD who tells it as it is. In my eyes Wenger is now an utter failure who just hangs on to his job because he receives £7million a year. He couldnt motivate a Sunday league team - I cant stand him and dont get the gooners who go away and sing his name.
Wengers reputations is in tatters. His legacy ruined. On a personal level he is a nobody now.

As a club, we still have some sort of respect but to keep that and to build it back up, we indeed need Wenger to fuck off asap

[Cripps_orig]

Hansen is awesome. Best pundit out there and tells it like it is for the most part.

Many on here dont like him cos he doesnt kiss Arsenals butt but i dont mind that

Wenger has been shocking for years. The fans who sing his name are arguably Spuds in disguise. No true Gooner wants him to stay

[fakeyank]

You can't teach an old dog new tricks, maybe except for SAF.

Wenger is spent, he should go before he drags the club further below any level of respectablility. He's an arrogant, deluded ****, who's stuck in his flawed ideals and ways of doing things.

We see an ever changing football climate around us but he never seems to do anything different. Same old, same old, whether it be on or off the pitch activities.

He needs to just fuck off.

:gp:

[Özim]

Wenger was done a long time ago, the signs were there early on they've just got more and more obvious. I was amazed that at the last AGM he pretty much got off without any criticism due to his rather pathetic speech....too many fans think he's blameless for the mess he's undoubtedbly complicit in.

[Niall_Quinn]

You can't teach an old dog new tricks, maybe except for SAF.

Wenger is spent, he should go before he drags the club further below any level of respectablility. He's an arrogant, deluded ****, who's stuck in his flawed ideals and ways of doing things.

We see an ever changing football climate around us but he never seems to do anything different. Same old, same old, whether it be on or off the pitch activities.

He needs to just fuck off.

None of this is even close to being true. Wenger is the best in the business at what he does and no other manager could have achieved anything even close to his level of success. And he's entirely transformed himself too, so he's certainly willing to learn new tricks.

When the focus of the club was on football he won just about everything in this country and in the process transformed the game. That's his football legacy.

When the focus of the club changed to asset stripping whilst keeping up at least a token challenge, albeit an income related challenge, he succeeded there too driving massive profits for the owners and moulding a mixture of talent and shit into a team that has consistently achieved the revenue levels demanded. He's the only manager in the top flight who could have done that. Ferguson had a massive helping hand with the Ronaldo transfer, Wenger has had to do the job piece by piece. Wenger's job has therefore been much harder.

What we all hate as fans is the fact he's so readily fallen in line with the asset strippers, I can understand that. But to call him a failure is to completely misunderstand what the definition of success is to this football club. Which is odd because they keep telling us. They don't make it a secret finishing in the top 4 is the full extent of our footballing ambition. As far as the owners are concerned Wenger has won them the title 15 seasons in a row and they have become very rich (or even richer) in the process. This isn't good enough for the fans but the club couldn't give a fuck about the fans, they know there are plenty more mugs queuing up should a few abused season ticket holders decide the rate at which they are getting fucked has become unbearable.

When you let vermin like Kroenke into football this is how it is always going to be.

[Özim]

You say the club couldn't give a f*ck, the point is neither does he that's pretty clear.

I sometimes feel you absolve him of blame, IMO if he's happy to go along with it then he's just as guilty as the rest....he gets his cut all 7 million of it (a huge amount of money for a manager even today)....he's sold out big time and rather than being a true manager and striving for success he's striving for profits (and lining his own pockets at the same time).....how can anyone respect that?

Best in the business? In my opinion he's got pretty lucky a number of times as well as the opposition for 4th place have been affected by external factors handing him 4th place....the fact is though the best of the rest aren't that good at all.

If you analyse his performance and some of the beatings we've taken (beatings we rarely ever experienced) is performance isn't that hot at all......recent years have seen us suffer some real humblings which happened perhaps once ever few years in the past.

The guy takes the fans for mugs and you've clearly bought into it.

[Niall_Quinn]

You say the club couldn't give a f*ck, the point is neither does he that's pretty clear.

I sometimes feel you absolve him of blame, IMO if he's happy to go along with it then he's just as guilty as the rest....he gets his cut all 7 million of it (a huge amount of money for a manager even today)....he's sold out big time and rather than being a true manager and striving for success he's striving for profits (and lining his own pockets at the same time).....how can anyone respect that?

Best in the business? In my opinion he's got pretty lucky a number of times as well as the opposition for 4th place have been affected by external factors handing him 4th place....the fact is though the best of the rest aren't that good at all.

If you analyse his performance and some of the beatings we've taken (beatings we rarely ever experienced) is performance isn't that hot at all......recent years have seen us suffer some real humblings which happened perhaps once ever few years in the past.

The guy takes the fans for mugs and you've clearly bought into it.

I need to keep saying this I suppose. He's an employee. Do you think Ramsey should retire because he is shit? Do you think he should refuse to play if picked? He's fucking us over too isn't he? He's taking the money. But why wouldn't he and it's ludicrous to suggest he should step aside if picked. Same with Wenger. If the board keeps picking him to play then why should he not play? This has nothing to do with buying into anything, there not even trying to sell us anything. They don't have enough regard for us to allow such things to cross their minds.

You talk about "true" managers but they are mostly in and out of clubs like whores on a schedule. You can't single Wenger out for his behaviour when that's how the whole game is these days. In fact he's probably the least compromised when you consider outright crooks like Ferguson and Redknapp. Football has got much, much bigger problems than Arsene Wenger and so has Arsenal Football Club, or what's left of it.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

NQ :bow:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Wenger was done a long time ago, the signs were there early on they've just got more and more obvious. I was amazed that at the last AGM he pretty much got off without any criticism due to his rather pathetic speech....too many fans think he's blameless for the mess he's undoubtedbly complicit in.

:doh:

it was anything but.

[Cripps_orig]

Saying 4th place is a trophy and more important than actual trophies is pathetic

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Saying 4th place is a trophy and more important than actual trophies is pathetic

Well that was not his speech.

[Cripps_orig]

Never said it was

[Niall_Quinn]

Saying 4th place is a trophy and more important than actual trophies is pathetic

Of course it is. But these people are completely out of touch with the fans. Not because thety have made a mistake, but because they don't want to be in touch with the fans. Just their wallets.

[Cripps_orig]

These people?

It was Wenger who said it....

[Olivier's xmas twist]

These people?

It was Wenger who said it....

He never said it was not.

[Özim]

I need to keep saying this I suppose. He's an employee. Do you think Ramsey should retire because he is shit? Do you think he should refuse to play if picked? He's fucking us over too isn't he? He's taking the money. But why wouldn't he and it's ludicrous to suggest he should step aside if picked. Same with Wenger. If the board keeps picking him to play then why should he not play? This has nothing to do with buying into anything, there not even trying to sell us anything. They don't have enough regard for us to allow such things to cross their minds.

You talk about "true" managers but they are mostly in and out of clubs like whores on a schedule. You can't single Wenger out for his behaviour when that's how the whole game is these days. In fact he's probably the least compromised when you consider outright crooks like Ferguson and Redknapp. Football has got much, much bigger problems than Arsene Wenger and so has Arsenal Football Club, or what's left of it.
No he's not "just an employee" at all, he's been at the club for many years and just like a top player doesn't moves on to achieve success if it's not possible at one club I expect a manager to strive for success and not give up in favour of hard cash (as Wenger has). Ramsey given the chance would move on if he were top class and other clubs came in for him and why wouldn't he, staying at a losers club isn't the way the top players want to spend their days and fair play to them..

He accepts this after all, he does what he wants no questions asked gets 7 million for his trouble....not so bad really. You blame players for shipping out for money and yet that doesn't apply to Wenger who has clearly sold out for money.

I can single out Wenger because they guy doesn't really care about success, we know the board don't either of course but they're businessmen and that's what businessmen are interested in....money....managers usually love football and get their pleasure from success rather than money.

You can't even compare Wenger to Ferguson because he's a joke of a manager in comparison....can't motivate, tactically naive, unable to adapt, unable to see what right in front of his eyes and the list goes on.....he's more of a glorified scout these days and not even a particularly great one. You pointed out some of the simplest errors he makes in another thread and you were spot on....it's not good management it's amateurish and embarrassing......I'd be ashamed to do what he does if I was a top manager....noone takes him seriously anymore and it's not hard to see why.

So yes he's sold out, football is now a distant second behind economics and his 7 million a year salary.....

[Niall_Quinn]

These people?

It was Wenger who said it....

Yep, once again, Wenger is an employee. He believes he's working miracles grabbing 4th spot and for him that probably is his trophy. His brief, after all, it to make a profit in the transfer window AND produce a team that brings in CL revenue each year. If his brief was to win the title or actually win the CL then obviously he wouldn't consider 4th spot to be a trophy because it wouldn't be acceptable to his bosses on a prolonged basis. Do I think he avoids contradicting his bosses in public? Yes, why not? Every employee does that, apart from the ones who want to be sacked.

[Cripps_orig]

He never said it was not.
"These people" suggest it was more than just Wenger

[Özim]

:doh:

it was anything but.
It was totally pathetic...but some people feel sorry for the bloke :lol:

[Özim]

Saying 4th place is a trophy and more important than actual trophies is pathetic

Pretty much, the guy is an embarassment to be honest, it's cringeworthy listening to him these days :lol:

[Özim]

Of course it is. But these people are completely out of touch with the fans. Not because thety have made a mistake, but because they don't want to be in touch with the fans. Just their wallets.
Wenger is the manager, it's shameful he's out of touch with his own fans...that he supposedly trying to please and entertain....

[Özim]

Yep, once again, Wenger is an employee. He believes he's working miracles grabbing 4th spot and for him that probably is his trophy. His brief, after all, it to make a profit in the transfer window AND produce a team that brings in CL revenue each year. If his brief was to win the title or actually win the CL then obviously he wouldn't consider 4th spot to be a trophy because it wouldn't be acceptable to his bosses on a prolonged basis. Do I think he avoids contradicting his bosses in public? Yes, why not? Every employee does that, apart from the ones who want to be sacked.
Yeah and loses CC finals to Birmingham...he hardly works miracles......he's done OK but too many overhype his performance considering he's failed to deliver anything of substance in 7 years.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It was totally pathetic...but some people feel sorry for the bloke :lol:

Why cause you don't agree with it. So it was pathetic, funny how no one in the media said the same.

[Özim]

Why cause you don't agree with it. So it was pathetic, funny how no one in the media said the same.
Noone in the media cared about what he said, few respect him as they realised a long time ago what he says can largely be discounted....only a section of Arsenal fans live by his every word....most see through him.

[Niall_Quinn]

managers usually love football and get their pleasure from success rather than money

It's easy to say that when the money is a given. Which of them manages their clubs for free? Which of them work for anything like a fair return given the job they do? They are all massively overpaid, like the players. Nobody is doing this for love any more, except maybe naive kids just starting out. When a sport moves form a few quid a week and the sheer privilege of playing for your boyhood club into a multi billion dollar a year industry then don't be surprised when priorities shift. Next year it will be even worse. The TV revenue will be even bigger and I'm pretty damn sure you can inversely map this idea of love to that rising revenue. We're all sitting here bereft because we can't comprehend just how many ****s there are in the game now. Creatures so removed for real life it's impossible for them to understand us or us to understand them.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Noone in the media cared about what he said, few respect him as they realised a long time ago what he says can largely be discounted....only a section of Arsenal fans live by his every word....most see through him.

Rubbish, as most Arsenal fans thought his speech was good. Just cause you did not like it don't mean others did not.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yeah and loses CC finals to Birmingham...he hardly works miracles......he's done OK but too many overhype his performance considering he's failed to deliver anything of substance in 7 years.

As I said, he's delivered financial miracles in the last 7 years. Nothing on the pitch, because that's not where the focus is any more.

[Cripps_orig]

Yep, once again, Wenger is an employee. He believes he's working miracles grabbing 4th spot and for him that probably is his trophy. His brief, after all, it to make a profit in the transfer window AND produce a team that brings in CL revenue each year. If his brief was to win the title or actually win the CL then obviously he wouldn't consider 4th spot to be a trophy because it wouldn't be acceptable to his bosses on a prolonged basis. Do I think he avoids contradicting his bosses in public? Yes, why not? Every employee does that, apart from the ones who want to be sacked.

I know you seem to think Wenger is not responsible for any of the crap we are in atm but hes the manager. He is responsible for all the shite we have seen on the pitch the last few years. For all the mistakes he has made and doesnt rectify season in and out, thats all down to him and not the board.

[Cripps_orig]

Yep, once again, Wenger is an employee. He believes he's working miracles grabbing 4th spot and for him that probably is his trophy. His brief, after all, it to make a profit in the transfer window AND produce a team that brings in CL revenue each year. If his brief was to win the title or actually win the CL then obviously he wouldn't consider 4th spot to be a trophy because it wouldn't be acceptable to his bosses on a prolonged basis. Do I think he avoids contradicting his bosses in public? Yes, why not? Every employee does that, apart from the ones who want to be sacked.

I know you seem to think Wenger is not responsible for any of the crap we are in atm but hes the manager. He is responsible for all the shite we have seen on the pitch the last few years. For all the mistakes he has made and doesnt rectify season in and out, thats all down to him and not the board.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I know you seem to think Wenger is not responsible for any of the crap we are in atm but hes the manager. He is responsible for all the shite we have seen on the pitch the last few years. For all the mistakes he has made and doesnt rectify season in and out, thats all down to him and not the board.

He never said he was not.

[Özim]

It's easy to say that when the money is a given. Which of them manages their clubs for free? Which of them work for anything like a fair return given the job they do? They are all massively overpaid, like the players. Nobody is doing this for love any more, except maybe naive kids just starting out. When a sport moves form a few quid a week and the sheer privilege of playing for your boyhood club into a multi billion dollar a year industry then don't be surprised when priorities shift. Next year it will be even worse. The TV revenue will be even bigger and I'm pretty damn sure you can inversely map this idea of love to that rising revenue. We're all sitting here bereft because we can't comprehend just how many ****s there are in the game now. Creatures so removed for real life it's impossible for them to understand us or us to understand them.
That's not the point, the top manager want to win and do everything they can to succeed...they don't just pick up their huge salaries and tell us 4th place is a major trophy and to be happy with what you have.

In the last 7 years that's all he's done, got 3rd/4th place which in anyone's book means losing and yet he's more than content with that....where's his drive to win?

I don't know any other manager in World football who gets paid as much as he does for repeatedly failing and stays in his job....I don't think there is a manager in the history of football who would have lasted at a top club after 7 years without a trophy and only a handful of 4th places to show (and the odd 3rd place)

[Özim]

Rubbish, as most Arsenal fans thought his speech was good. Just cause you did not like it don't mean others did not.
A few thought it was, a few said they felt sorry for him. It wasn't a good speech...just the usual nonsense...it's just that people like to absolve him of blame and pretend he's just a victim in this scenario.

I'd love to be a victim like him with a salary like his.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger is the manager, it's shameful he's out of touch with his own fans...that he supposedly trying to please and entertain....

Maybe so, but it is what it is. Bring in another manager then but just be aware he will have to stick with the agenda too. A newcomer might get a few more tactical decisions correct and might get a few results in the short term, but the very nature of asset stripping means that guy will soon have nothing to work with and will see his plans go up in smoke each season. Wilshere won't stay here, Ox won't stay, even Walcott thinks he's too big for this club FFS! And they aren't supposed to stay because they are assets to be stripped.

[Cripps_orig]

Rubbish, as most Arsenal fans thought his speech was good. Just cause you did not like it don't mean others did not.

Most Arsenal fans? Like the ones who were at the AGM and applauded him?

Hand picked fans. Not genuine.

The feeling around the ground is different

[Özim]

As I said, he's delivered financial miracles in the last 7 years. Nothing on the pitch, because that's not where the focus is any more.
Financial miracles, perhaps...that's more due to UEFA to be honest who have created this ridiculous competition that pays big clubs big money for coming 4th in their league.

[Özim]

Maybe so, but it is what it is. Bring in another manager then but just be aware he will have to stick with the agenda too. A newcomer might get a few more tactical decisions correct and might get a few results in the short term, but the very nature of asset stripping means that guy will soon have nothing to work with and will see his plans go up in smoke each season. Wilshere won't stay here, Ox won't stay, even Walcott thinks he's too big for this club FFS! And they aren't supposed to stay because they are assets to be stripped.
A manager with any ambition would challenge the board and not just accept everything like a lapdog. No top manager would settle for 4th place every season with no hope of success, just like our players.....they'd leave...and who could blame them?

A new manager will expect money to spend and a chance to bring success.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

That's not the point, the top manager want to win and do everything they can to succeed...they don't just pick up their huge salaries and tell us 4th place is a major trophy and to be happy with what you have.

In the last 7 years that's all he's done, got 3rd/4th place which in anyone's book means losing and yet he's more than content with that....where's his drive to win?

I don't know any other manager in World football who gets paid as much as he does for repeatedly failing and stays in his job....I don't think there is a manager in the history of football who would have lasted at a top club after 7 years without a trophy and only a handful of 4th places to show (and the odd 3rd place)

He is not failing though, that is NQ's point. What you want is irrlevant ot Wenger your not his boss. So why should he care about you. His boss targets for him to finish 4th at least and he has achieved that.

You can't be a failure if you meet your targets. Winning things has nout to do with it. its not his target to meet end off.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Most Arsenal fans? Like the ones who were at the AGM and applauded him?

Hand picked fans. Not genuine.

The feeling around the ground is different

Nope the ones, who rang up talk sport, or 606, the ones on other forums i seen. other fans from other clubs i have spoke too.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

]A manager with any ambition would challenge the board and not just accept everything like a lapdog.[/B] No top manager would settle for 4th place every season with no hope of success, just like our players.....they'd leave...and who could blame them?

A new manager will expect money to spend and a chance to bring success.

No thats and idiot who wants to be sacked.

[Özim]

He is not failing though, that is NQ's point. What you want is irrlevant ot Wenger your not his boss. So why should he care about you. His boss targets for him to finish 4th at least and he has achieved that.

You can't be a failure if you meet your targets. Winning things has nout to do with it. its not his target to meet end off.
He's failing end of......on the football pitch he's a failure and that's all that matters.

You keep mentioning his employers but who give a f*ck? He's a manager and manager's usually manage for the love of the game...they don't sell out for a bit of momey....unless football doesn't matter and money does that is.

He's a failure.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Saying 4th place is a trophy and more important than actual trophies is pathetic


then you have clearly missed the point he was making and just taking a sentance to beat him with. everyone knew the point he was making and he is right. so much we are even debating it on another thread in this forum, and seeing as you and zimm keep saying that he says trophy lesss important then fourth place, you take one look at that thread and see there are people who agree with him.

[Ollie the Optimist]

He's failing end of......on the football pitch he's a failure and that's all that matters.

You keep mentioning his employers but who give a f*ck? He's a manager and manager's usually manage for the love of the game...they don't sell out for a bit of momey....unless football doesn't matter and money does that is.

He's a failure.

in our eyes yes, in his employers eyes no. he is given targets, he meets them. fuck all we can do about it

[Özim]

No thats and idiot who wants to be sacked.
Not really, it's a guy with guts who isn't just happy picking up his pay check.

Do you think Ferguson and Mourinho would just sit there and settle for 4th every season without challenging the board or moving on?

[Özim]

in our eyes yes, in his employers eyes no. he is given targets, he meets them. fuck all we can do about it
In football's eyes he is and that's what really matters.....he's a guy with no integrity if all he cares about is money.

[Ollie the Optimist]

In football's eyes he is and that's what really matters.....he's a guy with no integrity if all he cares about is money.

in whose football eyes is he failing though? in ours? yes he isnt doing what we want, however what we want doesnt matter, its what his employers want that matters and he isnt failing them.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

He's failing end of......on the football pitch he's a failure and that's all that matters.

You keep mentioning his employers but who give a f*ck? He's a manager and manager's usually manage for the love of the game...they don't sell out for a bit of momey....unless football doesn't matter and money does that is.

He's a failure.

You missed the point, He does what his employers want him to do they pay him not you, so why would he care what you want.

They set him target he meets them, therefore he meets his aim. Every managers aim is diffrent.

If he was a failure he be sacked end off don't matter if the board make money of him, if they did not like what he was doing he'd be off end off.

[Niall_Quinn]

Financial miracles, perhaps...that's more due to UEFA to be honest who have created this ridiculous competition that pays big clubs big money for coming 4th in their league.

Yep, it's called a business opportunity which our guys have hungrily exploited. Why do you think we never finish 5th? No money.

[Özim]

in whose football eyes is he failing though? in ours? yes he isnt doing what we want, however what we want doesnt matter, its what his employers want that matters and he isnt failing them.
Everyone who watches football, if he's doing it for the money then like I said he's a loser with no integrity and should be nowhere near this club.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

In football's eyes he is and that's what really matters.....he's a guy with no integrity if all he cares about is money.

To you yes, to his bosses no.