What now for Walcott?

[Master Splinter]

It will be another masterstroke to get rid of the best finisher at the club.

We're selling Eisfeld already?

Fuck.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:lol:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

The forward need only glance around at second and third tier internationals like Andy Carroll (who all earn six-figure salaries per week or more)

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1156151_o.gif

That number has gone up on a regular basis from £60k to £70k to £80k and now £100k+! No chance.

But yes, Walcott is a must get providing he doesn't get greedy™.

[AKBapologist]

Top scorer with 7 goals. Time to offer a new deal.

[Cripps_orig]

6 tbh

[AKBapologist]

6 tbh

2 league, 5 cup goals.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

6 tbh

7th

Ach :lol:

Give the boy a deal and play him up top.

[milla]

It will be another masterstroke to get rid of the best finisher at the club.

Something about him since last season. Now with RVP is gone, Walcott cuts inside whenever he wants which is good since our forward play are very static. Physically he is much stronger player than he was.
Give him the contract, he will be a great outside forward. If Adeisawhore could do it, Walcott could do it too. :coffee:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Walcott scoring a hat trick against dog shit opponents. Nailed on to partner Rooney for England now.

Spud fans :pal:

[Power n Glory]

Spud fans :pal:

You were in the match thread pissing all over Walcott even though he started the fight back with a goal and assists. You and NQ were on one. Pair of absolute jokers!

[Marc Overmars]

Theo has done well given the limited game time he's had.

I hope stays, he's not playing like a player who doesn't want to be here.

Gazidis should give up his pay rise to fund Theo's contract. I know who deserves it more.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You were in the match thread pissing all over Walcott even though he started the fight back with a goal and assists. You and NQ were on one. Pair of absolute jokers!

Well its down to him to prove me wrong over the season and not just in a few games.

[Power n Glory]

Well its down to him to prove me wrong over the season and not just in a few games.

You're already wrong.

[Syn]

I hope stays, he's not playing like a player who doesn't want to be here.

Well comments like this...you can spin it how you want. He's playing like a player who's looking for a £180k a week offer from Chelsea/Man City etc.

I want him to stay - always have. But he's not going to stay and we can keep crying about it (uhuh) but it's going to make no difference.

[Master Splinter]

Does Theo deserve a chance up front?

I believe he has the right ingredients to be a central figure. At the moment he is developing on the wings.

Will he get his chance? It is possible.

But JLS already have a lead singer of super quality.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You're already wrong.

Ok im wrong Theo is the man.

[Power n Glory]

7th

Ach :lol:

Give the boy a deal and play him up top.

Idiot.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Idiot.

What he got 7 goals this season did he not. Well at the time i wrote it i did not know they had given the other goal. Jenks.

Your the one who moans about him not being played up top. When i say play him up top and give him a new deal you still moan. Make your mind up.

[Power n Glory]

What he got 7 goals this season did he not. Well at the time i wrote it i did not know they had given the other goal. Jenks.

A few moments ago in the match thread you said he didn't deserve a new contract. :lol:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

A few moments ago in the match thread you said he didn't deserve a new contract. :lol:
no i never.

[Power n Glory]

Liar. :lol:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

This is Brilliant

Theo

Sign him Up

Arsenal love this team.

www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1870&page=82

This was the last post i made about theo in that thread.

[gooners]

A few moments ago in the match thread you said he didn't deserve a new contract. :lol:

:haha: ctg for mod

[Power n Glory]

www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1870&page=82

This was the last post i made about theo in that thread.

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1870&page=34

Ach

Is Theo our top scorer now?

And hes started only 3 games

Get him that contract now

Charlie

Why cause he scored against shite team in the Capital one cup.


So we should give him a new deal cause he scored to goals vs Coventry. Ok then. Lets do it give him 200K a week.

And earlier today you said we should sell him and get Victor Moses.

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=238&page=104


And rightly so. Someone had bidded 20+ mill for Theo damm right we should have bit their arm off.


Theo, In the summer would have been easily replacable and we would not have to spend a huge amount on a replacemnet. Victor Moses would have done ok, before he went chavs. Selling Theo in Jan would be stupid for us. However i think Theo will stay. he will sign a new deal soon. He loves the club after all.

Or was all this down to your cousin?

[Niall_Quinn]

You were in the match thread pissing all over Walcott even though he started the fight back with a goal and assists. You and NQ were on one. Pair of absolute jokers!

Eh? What? The jokers are the fans who have just been arse raped by RvC and are now cooing as Theo makes his demands about where he wants to play and how much he wants to be paid for the privilege. Now this guy can't pass, cant beat a man, can't cross, can't string a couple of decent performances together. Of course he gets a few goals and a few assists. So does Arshavin, so did Nasri, so will anyone who plays up top for a top four team. And surely let's not get arrived away by theo not being the biggest fuck up in a comedy game against a reading team who were so awful they were even worse than us. That was a joke performance tonight, rescued by Eisfeld and Giroud.

Walcott took his first goal as you would expect any half decent forward to take it, if he'd have missed that one he should have been shot. The others were sitters. Trouble we have now is our players are so mediocre we praise them for not fucking up. And 80% of the time Walcott is a fuck up. Not good enough at the top level.

If he was to grovel back, apologise for fucking over the fans and the club with his greedy demands, stopped trying to be the manager and decided to string together a few consistent performances then fine, he gets praise. But why are people sucking his cock when he's being a many, greedy **** and holding the club to ransom? I don't get it at all. Why not stick with the players who want to stick with the club rather than the greedy ****s who want to scalp it without giving a air return?

Fuck Walcott and his kind. Who needs them? Plenty of other mediocre players out there who would be happy to play here.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1870&page=34

Ach


Charlie




And earlier today you said we should sell him and get Victor Moses.

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=238&page=104





Or was all this down to your cousin?

No where in there did i say he should never be given a contract.

And earlier i said we should have sold him in the summer if we got a 20+ mil deal.

Then i said i think he will stay as he loves the clun, guess you missed that bit though.

Got to love GW.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

England international Walcott, who has less than nine months remaining on his current contract, has already held two rounds of negotiations with the Gunners, but is no closer to putting pen-to-paper.

Walcott has made it clear to Arsenal that he will only renew his deal if he is handed an opportunity to play in his favoured position as a striker, but manager Arsene Wenger is refusing to agree.

Another sticking point is the 23-year-old's wage demands, with Wenger unwilling to break his strict wage structure to boost his current £60,000-a-week salary to around £100,000-a-week.

The stalemate has remained in place since the start of the season, but according to Goal.com, Arsenal will sit down with Walcott next week in a last ditch attempt to agree terms.

It's thought that if an agreement is not found by the end of November, Arsenal will put Walcott up for sale in the January transfer window, in order to make sure they do not miss out on a fee in the summer.

Liverpool, Manchester City and Chelsea have all expressed an interest in signing the pacy wideman, but there have been no formal approaches to date.

Italian champions Juventus are also known to be admirers of Walcott, and Arsenal would be prefer to do business with an overseas club - even if it means they collect less money.

In the meantime, Walcott is being subjected to a fringe role at the Emirates, starting just two of his 10 appearances so far this term.

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/916412-theo-walcott-set-for-final-round-of-arsenal-contract-talks#ixzz27ztZOiQn


Goal.com :haha:

[Power n Glory]

Eh? What? The jokers are the fans who have just been arse raped by RvC and are now cooing as Theo makes his demands about where he wants to play and how much he wants to be paid for the privilege. Now this guy can't pass, cant beat a man, can't cross, can't string a couple of decent performances together. Of course he gets a few goals and a few assists. So does Arshavin, so did Nasri, so will anyone who plays up top for a top four team. And surely let's not get arrived away by theo not being the biggest fuck up in a comedy game against a reading team who were so awful they were even worse than us. That was a joke performance tonight, rescued by Eisfeld and Giroud.

Walcott took his first goal as you would expect any half decent forward to take it, if he'd have missed that one he should have been shot. The others were sitters. Trouble we have now is our players are so mediocre we praise them for not fucking up. And 80% of the time Walcott is a fuck up. Not good enough at the top level.

If he was to grovel back, apologise for fucking over the fans and the club with his greedy demands, stopped trying to be the manager and decided to string together a few consistent performances then fine, he gets praise. But why are people sucking his cock when he's being a many, greedy **** and holding the club to ransom? I don't get it at all. Why not stick with the players who want to stick with the club rather than the greedy ****s who want to scalp it without giving a air return?

Fuck Walcott and his kind. Who needs them? Plenty of other mediocre players out there who would be happy to play here.

You are a disgrace and not worth the time or effort. If we'd have lost you'd have been ripping into him as usual. Support the team after a victory and at least showing some character after such a defensive shocker.

[Cripps_orig]

P&G arse raping NQ and Charlie :bow:

The latter 2 must be gutted we went through with Theo being the main man. They are even making stuff up about some german dude who came on and changed the game to not give credit to Theo :haha:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

P&G arse raping NQ and Charlie :bow:
:

Not really no.

[Power n Glory]

P&G arse raping NQ and Charlie :bow:

The latter 2 must be gutted we went through with Theo being the main man. They are even making stuff up about some german dude who came on and changed the game to not give credit to Theo :haha:

They're having shockers. We concede 4 goals in 37 minutes and they're ripping into our attacking. We couldn't even hold possession or put pressure on Reading. The whole defence, Coq and Frimpong were having terrible games but these two clowns were blaming our attackers and saying senior players like Theo and Arshavin should be leading by example.

Theo puts in a man of the match performance, Arshavin also dug in, Chamakh too, the seniors with something to prove did exactly what was required of them even though the defence and keeper tried to fuck it up and send the game to penalties. If we're going to talk about players showing heart and character, we can't look at this game. This cup is low on Wenge/ priority list and after going 4 goals down the boys could have given up but they bounced back and took the lead twice! How can these guy fault that?

[Niall_Quinn]

You are a disgrace and not worth the time or effort. If we'd have lost you'd have been ripping into him as usual. Support the team after a victory and at least showing some character after such a defensive shocker.

Sorry if I won't play along with the love fest. But if the **** wants out then let him fuck off. You cry for him, I won't miss him. Whether the thick **** fucked up his own potential or Wenger shagged him, or a mix of both, it won't be hard to find a replacement for a player who has had many opportunities but failed to deliver anything over and above your average PL journeyman. Same for England. Hat trick years ago and one decent half of football since. Reality is, if he was any good there's no way he'd be sitting on the bench, contract dispute or not. RvC wasn't on the bench, was he? Wenger fucks thinks up but he's not as dumb as those who have been sucked into the theo myth at least.

[Niall_Quinn]

They're having shockers. We concede 4 goals in 37 minutes and they're ripping into our attacking. We couldn't even hold possession or put pressure on Reading. The whole defence, Coq and Frimpong were having terrible games but these two clowns were blaming our attackers and saying senior players like Theo and Arshavin should be leading by example.

Theo puts in a man of the match performance, Arshavin also dug in, Chamakh too, the seniors with something to prove did exactly what was required of them even though the defence and keeper tried to fuck it up and send the game to penalties. If we're going to talk about players showing heart and character, we can't look at this game. This cup is low on Wenge/ priority list and after going 4 goals down the boys could have given up but they bounced back and took the lead twice! How can these guy fault that?

More a case of you not reading the match thread. It's all there. The defence, frimpong and Coq. But you're so bust sucking just the one cock you missed everything else.

[Cripps_orig]

They're having shockers. We concede 4 goals in 37 minutes and they're ripping into our attacking. We couldn't even hold possession or put pressure on Reading. The whole defence, Coq and Frimpong were having terrible games but these two clowns were blaming our attackers and saying senior players like Theo and Arshavin should be leading by example.

Theo puts in a man of the match performance, Arshavin also dug in, Chamakh too, the seniors with something to prove did exactly what was required of them even though the defence and keeper tried to fuck it up and send the game to penalties. If we're going to talk about players showing heart and character, we can't look at this game. This cup is low on Wenge/ priority list and after going 4 goals down the boys could have given up but they bounced back and took the lead twice! How can these guy fault that?

Some people just wont give credit to players they dislike no matter what. I dont really bother debating with them anymore. All i do is laugh at them hence all the NQ :haha: and Charlie :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

And Arshavin too. The question, good or appalling? That's how he played too. He was dire one minute, decent the next. You're getting carried away with the good stuff and ignoring the other half of the match. Game is 90 minutes, or 120 in this case.

[Niall_Quinn]

Some people just wont give credit to players they dislike no matter what. I dont really bother debating with them anymore. All i do is laugh at them hence all the NQ :haha: and Charlie :haha:

Some people think Arteta is shite and Chamakh is decent. What can you do?

[Cripps_orig]

Some people think Arteta is shite and Chamakh is decent. What can you do?

I can credit Arteta with a decent performance and have done so.

As we can see today and countless times, you cant with Theo or Chamakh. You call them shit no matter what hence i dont bother with it anymore and just laugh as you being so wrong about the same thing that many times is pretty funny

[Power n Glory]

Some people just wont give credit to players they dislike no matter what. I dont really bother debating with them anymore. All i do is laugh at them hence all the NQ :haha: and Charlie :haha:

No point in continuing with it to be fair. I'm not a fan of Chamakh or Giroud but have no problem admitting they put in a terrific shift. When the defence is that bad and your attackers have to score 7 goals to win the game, you can only applaud. Or act like a complete dick in some cases. The people I've spoken to tonight who are acting like bitter idiots are Chelsea fans, Man Utd fans and NQ.

[Niall_Quinn]

I can credit Arteta with a decent performance and have done so.

As we can see today and countless times, you cant with Theo or Chamakh. You call them shit no matter what hence i dont bother with it anymore and just laugh as you being so wrong about the same thing that many times is pretty funny

Credited theo many times in the past, right up to the point where he fucked the club. Now I want to see a 100K performance every time to match his mouthing off.

[Niall_Quinn]

No point in continuing with it to be fair. I'm not a fan of Chamakh or Giroud but have no problem admitting they put in a terrific shift. When the defence is that bad and your attackers have to score 7 goals to win the game, you can only applaud. Or act like a complete dick in some cases. The people I've spoken to tonight who are acting like bitter idiots are Chelsea fans, Man Utd fans and NQ.

Don't want to choke on Theo's cock? You must be a Utd fan. Tired.

[Power n Glory]

Don't want to choke on Theo's cock? You must be a Utd fan. Tired.

You know what NQ, you're an idiot. You're always banging on about finances and the Board robbing the club by selling our best players but there seems to be a blind spot with this Theo situation. We need to keep our best players and like it or not, Theo is one or them. If Wenger and Gazidis can be paid an amount that is in line with their peers, then our top performers have a right to ask for the same. It makes no sense in going against the players with wages because we all know that the Board are the ones taking the piss and rewarding themselves instead of investing money into the team.

Theo is one or the best players in the squad and he should be starting games. I want to see the strongest team out whenever we play. That's why I support Theo and say we need to keep him. Continue to carry on like a prick but you know what makes sense.

[Power n Glory]

And the fucking cheek to call me a Utd fan when I'm applauding a good comeback! Piss off!

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

tonight proved it

if we sell walcott without giving him a try as a striker (in a 4-4-2) then wenger deserves to be sacked on that decision alone

great finisher and has improved a lot. needs to be played up top.

[Niall_Quinn]

And the fucking cheek to call me a Utd fan when I'm applauding a good comeback! Piss off!

You don't read. That's your problem.

[Power n Glory]

You don't read. That's your problem.

Oops. Can you blame me when you're talking utter garbage and know much better?

[Kano]

No point in continuing with it to be fair. I'm not a fan of Chamakh or Giroud but have no problem admitting they put in a terrific shift. When the defence is that bad and your attackers have to score 7 goals to win the game, you can only applaud. Or act like a complete dick in some cases. The people I've spoken to tonight who are acting like bitter idiots are Chelsea fans, Man Utd fans and NQ.
It was because the whole team – not just the defence – were so pathetic in the first half that we had to score seven. The whole front three were a joke, giving the ball away and barely making any effort to get into the game and it goes to show the cliché of defending from the front remains true. If there is no effort upfront its quite likely the other two departments behind won’t give a damn either – and vice versa. Well done Walcott and co but they ALL need to hang their heads for that first 40 minutes, no one gets off lightly. That was shocking.

[Power n Glory]

To still slate the players that dug us out of the mess is shocking.

[Kano]

you can't ignore a first half like that - its a worrying sign.

[Power n Glory]

It's not being ignored at all. I understand needing to defend from the front but we didn't really have a chance to get going and struggled to get the ball out from our half. Frimpong and Coquelin struggled badly to control the tempo of the game and the defence were shaky. The CB's were struggling to control Jason Roberts and a lot of the problems boiled down to individual errors at the back. When you see your defence concede 4 easy goals like that....

[Power n Glory]

But still, Chamakh, Theo, Arshavin, Giroud and that Eisfield dug deep to win the game. Even after wrapping things up, the defence still conspired to give the game away. Even if a team isn't getting that much support from the attackers, they still have a job to do and it wasn't as if we were overloaded by Reading players. Just poor marking and discipline in most of those goals.

[Kano]

i won't disagree with an of that. the point i'm making is the attitude of the players stunk from the beginning. absolutely everyone has to take responsibility for that, whatever the name of their back. great fightback and verve from the attackers and the team solidified much more in the second half - but why we started like that needs to be addressed by wenger and the squad.

[bignev]

So just as Walcott starts to show some of his promise he's leaving :(

That is so typical.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

And Arshavin too. The question, good or appalling? That's how he played too. He was dire one minute, decent the next. You're getting carried away with the good stuff and ignoring the other half of the match. Game is 90 minutes, or 120 in this case.

Spot on

Don't want to choke on Theo's cock? You must be a Utd fan. Tired.

Pretty much.

It was because the whole team – not just the defence – were so pathetic in the first half that we had to score seven. The whole front three were a joke, giving the ball away and barely making any effort to get into the game and it goes to show the cliché of defending from the front remains true. If there is no effort upfront its quite likely the other two departments behind won’t give a damn either – and vice versa. Well done Walcott and co but they ALL need to hang their heads for that first 40 minutes, no one gets off lightly. That was shocking.

Yep, Theo was just as poor as the rest in the 1st half, but we can't say that cause he might get scared and not sign a new deal.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

To still slate the players that dug us out of the mess is shocking.

Not really in the 1st half the whole team was poor, Theo may not have made any mistakes but he never shone like we know he can.

2nd half he had a good game and did what he is paid to do score goals. same as any other striker. I don't give a shit about him scoring goals and proving me wrong, that what i want him to do.

[Power n Glory]

Make your mind up, Charlie. You flip from one extreme to the next.

[Marc Overmars]

Having watched the highlights again, Theo was excellent. Caused them a lot of problems with his direct running for a change, rather than running into players. The goals capped it off.

The first half was pathetic but credit to them for turning it around rather than go out on a damp squib.

Too many people with agenda's on here. I hate Chakma but he was great last night and I hit the roof at his final goal.

Just enjoy it, it was a freak game that won't happen again.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Make your mind up, Charlie. You flip from one extreme to the next.

I can Admit when i wrong. and i was. However i don't think Theo was great ws 90 mins i don't think no one in the team was. They all stunk up the place in the 1st half.

And you remember my post about the older players not pulling their weight, well they did in the 2nd half and fair play to them.

Don't think you should be calling people Chelsea and Manc fans cause they did not agree with you about theo. And i don't think Arshavin was good for 120 mins either.

For me is a bench player and not a starter well in the league anyways. But Theo should be given the chance to be a striker. But like he said he is shattered so its not like he'll play vs the mancs.

[GP]

Well this is it. What's the point in having some pathetic agenda against one of our own? We want them all to be useful parts of a squad.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well this is it. What's the point in having some pathetic agenda against one of our own? We want them all to be useful parts of a squad.

This, we all were happy when Theo made ir 6-5 heck i was happy when Chamakh made it 7-5. We want to see our players do well when they step out on the field.

[Power n Glory]

I can Admit when i wrong. and i was. However i don't think Theo was great ws 90 mins i don't think no one in the team was. They all stunk up the place in the 1st half.

And you remember my post about the older players not pulling their weight, well they did in the 2nd half and fair play to them.

Don't think you should be calling people Chelsea and Manc fans cause they did not agree with you about theo. And i don't think Arshavin was good for 120 mins either.

For me is a bench player and not a starter well in the league anyways. But Theo should be given the chance to be a striker. But like he said he is shattered so its not like he'll play vs the mancs.

I haven't called anyone a Manc or Chelsea fan. Just saying the only negative discussions I've had on the game have come from rival fans and NQ. Just saying he's got a lot in common with bitter bastards at the moment.

[Power n Glory]

Well this is it. What's the point in having some pathetic agenda against one of our own? We want them all to be useful parts of a squad.

Exactly. If only we had that sort of drive to fight back when we're just a goal down. We always slate the team for not pulling in the right direction and yesterday, a lot of players, unpopular players as well, put in a shift and worked hard for each other.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well this is it. What's the point in having some pathetic agenda against one of our own? We want them all to be useful parts of a squad.

Ask that question of Theo Walcott and remember RvC. Ask why Chamakh takes 13 months to score a goal.

Yes it was all great fun last night, so much fun that as we were 45 minutes into the worst Arsenal performance in years most on here were actually laughing. It's so bad now we seem to accept it when it gets worse, because I suppose what can you do?

Don't we all want to see a team that's committed to Arsenal and striving to achieve? Who wants to see a team constantly being fragmented by contract disputes and lurching wildly from acceptable to Laurel and Hardy? 4-0 down to Reading at half time is a warning about just how bad this season could turn out if the players don't get their shit sorted and start pulling for the team. Same goes for the manager and the shitheads that run the place. If fans have even been temporarily placated by last nights comedy routine then they should prepare for disappointment on a grand scale unless things change dramatically.

As for Walcott, how can he sit there making his demands and then put in a first half performance like that? How can you not hate his guts when he does that? Sure, he shows up later on but where is his consistency from the outset? Why does he give the ball away so cheaply? Why can't he pick a pass? We see again with Walcott, if he has good player around him (Eisfeld and Giroud last night) he can be effective. But he's not the guy who takes the game and turns it himself. And yet he sits there making demands about where he wants to play and how much he wants for it. I have no problem with that if he's the guy who makes the difference but he isn't. Plenty of players out there who can capitalise once somebody else has stepped up to control the game (like a young German kid on a fraction of Theo's wages did last night.)

It's not about scoring 3 in the Cheddar Cheese cup against a ridiculously poor Reading, it's about what happens this weekend when we need a big player to cause some damage to the likely champions. If Theo steps up in that and helps us even keep it respectable then he'll have put his money where his mouth is and it'll be far less ludicrous to consider matching his efforts with the club's (read fans) money. If the kid hit the newspapers today and said fuck it, I'll play where the manager tells me to and I'll show you why I deserve the money - and if he then goes on and delivers, I'm with him 100%.

As it is, as far as I'm concerned he's a Juventus or Liverpool or City player in waiting just taking up the space. That's what he's telling me at the moment and why should I want anything to do with that? If he changes his tune I change mine. Until then he can fuck himself.

Same with Chamakh, who gave a fine Carlos Vela impersonation last night - with everyone seemingly forgetting just how awful he was aside from the last segment of the game. It's going to take more than that after months of zero production. I'm as happy as the next guy if this is a turning point but how many times do we have to see this to distinguish between the real turning points (of which there have been none) and the latest false dawn.

This squad lacks quality all over the pitch excluding a small core of players who can't do it on their own. That's what I want to see addressed, the team, not the individuals. Thing is, it's not going to happen, the greedy fucks at the top have just said as much. So as fans we have nothing coming except the odd laugh as we saw last night. It's something at least. Better than QPR, Norwich. But it's also a bit embarrassing to be an Arsenal fan having to feed on scraps like that. I'll take it but I'm not going to sing and dance about it.

Did you watch the interview with Walcott last night? There's something very different about that guy since he first arrived. The way he dropped that ball as a "joke", it's unpleasant. He's starting to look like a real footballer. At least when he's off the pitch. Can nobody else see that and have a little guess at what we're in for with this guy? Let me just say, you won't all be singing his name in a few short months, at least not without an insult attached. I hope I'm wrong. But we've been here, done that.

[GP]

tl;dr

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I haven't called anyone a Manc or Chelsea fan. Just saying the only negative discussions I've had on the game have come from rival fans and NQ. Just saying he's got a lot in common with bitter bastards at the moment.

Then i apologise then. Don't have a problem with you and i thinl you a good FM and i enjoy the banter we have.

[Niall_Quinn]

I haven't called anyone a Manc or Chelsea fan. Just saying the only negative discussions I've had on the game have come from rival fans and NQ. Just saying he's got a lot in common with bitter bastards at the moment.

You'r right about that. I'm bloody bitter about what's going on with the club.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

tl;dr

Summary please lol.

Where's CK when you need him.

[Niall_Quinn]

tl;dr

Shame you raised the issue then.

[LDG]

Ask that question of Theo Walcott and remember RvC. Ask why Chamakh takes 13 months to score a goal.

Yes it was all great fun last night, so much fun that as we were 45 minutes into the worst Arsenal performance in years most on here were actually laughing. It's so bad now we seem to accept it when it gets worse, because I suppose what can you do?

Don't we all want to see a team that's committed to Arsenal and striving to achieve? Who wants to see a team constantly being fragmented by contract disputes and lurching wildly from acceptable to Laurel and Hardy? 4-0 down to Reading at half time is a warning about just how bad this season could turn out if the players don't get their shit sorted and start pulling for the team. Same goes for the manager and the shitheads that run the place. If fans have even been temporarily placated by last nights comedy routine then they should prepare for disappointment on a grand scale unless things change dramatically.

As for Walcott, how can he sit there making his demands and then put in a first half performance like that? How can you not hate his guts when he does that? Sure, he shows up later on but where is his consistency from the outset? Why does he give the ball away so cheaply? Why can't he pick a pass? We see again with Walcott, if he has good player around him (Eisfeld and Giroud last night) he can be effective. But he's not the guy who takes the game and turns it himself. And yet he sits there making demands about where he wants to play and how much he wants for it. I have no problem with that if he's the guy who makes the difference but he isn't. Plenty of players out there who can capitalise once somebody else has stepped up to control the game (like a young German kid on a fraction of Theo's wages did last night.)

It's not about scoring 3 in the Cheddar Cheese cup against a ridiculously poor Reading, it's about what happens this weekend when we need a big player to cause some damage to the likely champions. If Theo steps up in that and helps us even keep it respectable then he'll have put his money where his mouth is and it'll be far less ludicrous to consider matching his efforts with the club's (read fans) money. If the kid hit the newspapers today and said fuck it, I'll play where the manager tells me to and I'll show you why I deserve the money - and if he then goes on and delivers, I'm with him 100%.

As it is, as far as I'm concerned he's a Juventus or Liverpool or City player in waiting just taking up the space. That's what he's telling me at the moment and why should I want anything to do with that? If he changes his tune I change mine. Until then he can fuck himself.

Same with Chamakh, who gave a fine Carlos Vela impersonation last night - with everyone seemingly forgetting just how awful he was aside from the last segment of the game. It's going to take more than that after months of zero production. I'm as happy as the next guy if this is a turning point but how many times do we have to see this to distinguish between the real turning points (of which there have been none) and the latest false dawn.

This squad lacks quality all over the pitch excluding a small core of players who can't do it on their own. That's what I want to see addressed, the team, not the individuals. Thing is, it's not going to happen, the greedy fucks at the top have just said as much. So as fans we have nothing coming except the odd laugh as we saw last night. It's something at least. Better than QPR, Norwich. But it's also a bit embarrassing to be an Arsenal fan having to feed on scraps like that. I'll take it but I'm not going to sing and dance about it.

Did you watch the interview with Walcott last night? There's something very different about that guy since he first arrived. The way he dropped that ball as a "joke", it's unpleasant. He's starting to look like a real footballer. At least when he's off the pitch. Can nobody else see that and have a little guess at what we're in for with this guy? Let me just say, you won't all be singing his name in a few short months, at least not without an insult attached. I hope I'm wrong. But we've been here, done that.

Top post.

[Power n Glory]

Ask that question of Theo Walcott and remember RvC. Ask why Chamakh takes 13 months to score a goal.

Yes it was all great fun last night, so much fun that as we were 45 minutes into the worst Arsenal performance in years most on here were actually laughing. It's so bad now we seem to accept it when it gets worse, because I suppose what can you do?

Don't we all want to see a team that's committed to Arsenal and striving to achieve? Who wants to see a team constantly being fragmented by contract disputes and lurching wildly from acceptable to Laurel and Hardy? 4-0 down to Reading at half time is a warning about just how bad this season could turn out if the players don't get their shit sorted and start pulling for the team. Same goes for the manager and the shitheads that run the place. If fans have even been temporarily placated by last nights comedy routine then they should prepare for disappointment on a grand scale unless things change dramatically.

As for Walcott, how can he sit there making his demands and then put in a first half performance like that? How can you not hate his guts when he does that? Sure, he shows up later on but where is his consistency from the outset? Why does he give the ball away so cheaply? Why can't he pick a pass? We see again with Walcott, if he has good player around him (Eisfeld and Giroud last night) he can be effective. But he's not the guy who takes the game and turns it himself. And yet he sits there making demands about where he wants to play and how much he wants for it. I have no problem with that if he's the guy who makes the difference but he isn't. Plenty of players out there who can capitalise once somebody else has stepped up to control the game (like a young German kid on a fraction of Theo's wages did last night.)

It's not about scoring 3 in the Cheddar Cheese cup against a ridiculously poor Reading, it's about what happens this weekend when we need a big player to cause some damage to the likely champions. If Theo steps up in that and helps us even keep it respectable then he'll have put his money where his mouth is and it'll be far less ludicrous to consider matching his efforts with the club's (read fans) money. If the kid hit the newspapers today and said fuck it, I'll play where the manager tells me to and I'll show you why I deserve the money - and if he then goes on and delivers, I'm with him 100%.

As it is, as far as I'm concerned he's a Juventus or Liverpool or City player in waiting just taking up the space. That's what he's telling me at the moment and why should I want anything to do with that? If he changes his tune I change mine. Until then he can fuck himself.

Same with Chamakh, who gave a fine Carlos Vela impersonation last night - with everyone seemingly forgetting just how awful he was aside from the last segment of the game. It's going to take more than that after months of zero production. I'm as happy as the next guy if this is a turning point but how many times do we have to see this to distinguish between the real turning points (of which there have been none) and the latest false dawn.

This squad lacks quality all over the pitch excluding a small core of players who can't do it on their own. That's what I want to see addressed, the team, not the individuals. Thing is, it's not going to happen, the greedy fucks at the top have just said as much. So as fans we have nothing coming except the odd laugh as we saw last night. It's something at least. Better than QPR, Norwich. But it's also a bit embarrassing to be an Arsenal fan having to feed on scraps like that. I'll take it but I'm not going to sing and dance about it.

Did you watch the interview with Walcott last night? There's something very different about that guy since he first arrived. The way he dropped that ball as a "joke", it's unpleasant. He's starting to look like a real footballer. At least when he's off the pitch. Can nobody else see that and have a little guess at what we're in for with this guy? Let me just say, you won't all be singing his name in a few short months, at least not without an insult attached. I hope I'm wrong. But we've been here, done that.

Wow. I mean, WOW!

[Niall_Quinn]

Wow. I mean, WOW!

I really think you overlook the contributions of the players who provide Theo with his rare (all too rare) moments in the Sun.

[Power n Glory]

:lol: You're a joke.

3 goals (well, 2 goals) and he sets up Giroud and Kos' goal. Most people can recognise it was a man of the match peformances from him and I'm not denying the contribution of the other players because they played well too. But you should at least give credit where it's due.

[Niall_Quinn]

:lol: You're a joke.

3 goals (well, 2 goals) and he sets up Giroud and Kos' goal. Most people can recognise it was a man of the match peformances from him and I'm not denying the contribution of the other players because they played well too. But you should at least give credit where it's due.

You're basing your analysis on a freak match and using it to justify a long standing argument that holds no water based on the evidence. Even so and taking the carefully limited scope of your argument, you defeat it yourself. You have already said Coquelin and Frimpong were a joke last night and they were. But when Eisfeld and Giroud came on they created the environment for Walcott to prosper. These were the pair who swung the match, not Theo Walcott.

As I said, Walcott doesn't have that capability himself. He's had his FEW moments, there's potential there for sure. A hat-trick vs Croatia, one decent half for England more recently with nothing in the intervening years. Half the time anonymous for us and even in his good games he's atrocious for 50% of them, giving the ball away, making blind runs. You see the good stuff and ignore the bad. Then you say give him the money, let him dictate. That's your opinion, that's fine. I say he's not half the player you make him out to be and the evidence of years bears that out. And I say let him put in plenty more decent performances on a regular basis and then we'll see about the money.

He's either with us or he's somewhere else. Right now he's saying if he gets his way he'll stay. I don't care if he's scoring goals against Reading in the Mickey Mouse Cup. I care if he's going to be around delivering consistent performances. Playing where he's told to play and putting in a 100% shift each game. If we're going to let Walcott dictate then why not every other player? What makes Walcott so special? Goals in the Carling Cup? So Chamakh scored too, lets have him in to decide where he wants to play and how much we need to pay him. Let's do it for all of them and see where that gets us.

You have 100% support for a player that has at best lukewarm support for us. I don't. Made that mistake with RvC, won't be making it again. It's about the team, we win fuck all ever if we don't have a unified team that puts the team first. Plenty of other players out there who would be happy to be here and could put in a much more consistent showing then Walcott. Why we should be expected to bow to him I have no idea. Should be the other way around, he should be kissing our arse. Let me know when he's committed to the club again and I'll reciprocate. Until then don't bore me with this Theo worship.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:popcorn:

[Grebbo]

It was a captain's performance from him last night. Needs to start games now as he's the only player we have with pace other than Chamberlain who's far too inconsistent to start for us.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Having watched the highlights again, Theo was excellent. Caused them a lot of problems with his direct running for a change, rather than running into players. The goals capped it off.

The first half was pathetic but credit to them for turning it around rather than go out on a damp squib.

Too many people with agenda's on here. I hate Chakma but he was great last night and I hit the roof at his final goal.

Just enjoy it, it was a freak game that won't happen again.

Pretty much, unless we beat Utd 9:8 on Saturday!

About Walcott. . .I have not been his greatest fan and I dont believe he has justified the kind of salary demands he is making but if. . .I mean if, he can play himself into being offered a contract between now and January, I would welcome the guy.

Two problems stand in the way;


1) can he do,it consistently enough
2) is Wenger going to set a formation that plays to his strengths

Answer. . .sadly I dont think so

[Power n Glory]

You're basing your analysis on a freak match and using it to justify a long standing argument that holds no water based on the evidence. Even so and taking the carefully limited scope of your argument, you defeat it yourself. You have already said Coquelin and Frimpong were a joke last night and they were. But when Eisfeld and Giroud came on they created the environment for Walcott to prosper. These were the pair who swung the match, not Theo Walcott.

As I said, Walcott doesn't have that capability himself. He's had his FEW moments, there's potential there for sure. A hat-trick vs Croatia, one decent half for England more recently with nothing in the intervening years. Half the time anonymous for us and even in his good games he's atrocious for 50% of them, giving the ball away, making blind runs. You see the good stuff and ignore the bad. Then you say give him the money, let him dictate. That's your opinion, that's fine. I say he's not half the player you make him out to be and the evidence of years bears that out. And I say let him put in plenty more decent performances on a regular basis and then we'll see about the money.

He's either with us or he's somewhere else. Right now he's saying if he gets his way he'll stay. I don't care if he's scoring goals against Reading in the Mickey Mouse Cup. I care if he's going to be around delivering consistent performances. Playing where he's told to play and putting in a 100% shift each game. If we're going to let Walcott dictate then why not every other player? What makes Walcott so special? Goals in the Carling Cup? So Chamakh scored too, lets have him in to decide where he wants to play and how much we need to pay him. Let's do it for all of them and see where that gets us.

You have 100% support for a player that has at best lukewarm support for us. I don't. Made that mistake with RvC, won't be making it again. It's about the team, we win fuck all ever if we don't have a unified team that puts the team first. Plenty of other players out there who would be happy to be here and could put in a much more consistent showing then Walcott. Why we should be expected to bow to him I have no idea. Should be the other way around, he should be kissing our arse. Let me know when he's committed to the club again and I'll reciprocate. Until then don't bore me with this Theo worship.

Rubbish as usual. All this talk about the Board raping the club and stripping assets and you can't see the value in a player that scored and got assists for us in a cup competition as well as the goals and assists he got for us last season and the season before that. It's not an isolated and let's not forget that we would have wouldn't have gotten all 3 points against West Ham if it wasn't for Theo. Of course, he needs service, but so does Giroud, so does Podolski, Cazorla can't dictate a game on his own and even the shittest of keepers need protection from the defence. As I've said before, Theo could play a blinder and you'd still be carrying on like an idiot and slating him. That's not supporting the squad and I can't take your views seriously. You make some good points about the Board, but when some is being so willfully ignorant....there is almost no point in discussing this issue. Of course Theo has flaws to his game but I'm hardly going to lay into him after that sort of performance.

As for writing it off because it's the Capital One Cup...it's a bit rich coming from fans that constantly bemoan our lack of silverware. It's not the biggest cup, but it can act as a springboard for something bigger. Besides that, the last thing I want to see is my team embarrassed like we almost were last night. It would have been as bad as the final lose against Birmingham. If we'd have lost the game, you'd have talked about us having no heart and passion, yet we win and stage one of the greatest comebacks in football, yet you're still bitching.


You're bitter over the RVP situation and if you had any sense, you'd see that he left because the Board lack ambition and are quite happy to settle for 4th each year whilst selling off key players every year. You know that they're penny pinching and pretty inept at dealing with contracts so I don't get where you're coming from. Of course I support the playing staff because they're the ones I pay to watch and win games. Like it or not, Theo contributed to our win, it's that simple and only fool would argue otherwise.

You talk about us not being held ransom to player demands, but it's not about being held to ransom, it's about the club seeing some sense and doing more to hold on to key players. They've profited financially over the years, all of them, but at the same time have tried to keep the playing staff costs as low as possible so they can pocket the difference. You argue against such a policy but your stance on certain players advocates it. Why should the players accept the below standard that isn't in line with their peers? We'll hit the same brick wall with future key players every time and that's what I'm against because I've seen it happen several times over the years. The wage structure doesn't work and it's imbalanced. I've been pretty consistent with that view.

I don't have 100% support for a player, I have 100% support for the team and you writing off Theo's performance after battling back is baffling and the opposite of support. Have a word with yourself. That was a unified performance last night. It was a shambles in the first half but everyone was in on the celebrations. The team were happy to see Chamakh break his duck, happy to see Giroud make an impact and we at least restored some pride which could have been a bloody embarrassing evening. I had a Man Utd fan on the phone that couldn't shut the fuck up but was silent as soon as we came back. Celebrate that at least and quit acting so stupid. Theo had a hand in most of the goals and rightly won man of the match.

[Özim]

I thought Walcott played pretty well last night, some good goals and some excellent runs, got to give credit where credits due he put in a really good performance when we needed it, he wasn't the only one of course but having got the goals he will obviously get more of the plaudits.

The defence however, that was pretty dire.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Hey! You two, get a fucking room ffs.

[LDG]

The defence however, that was pretty dire.

We had a defence?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Hey! You two, get a fucking room ffs.

Thats enough about Zimm and LDG, what about NQ and PNG.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Thats enough about Zimm and LDG, what about NQ and PNG.

Lol. I was actually referring to said NQ and PNG.

[jelgoon]

I agree with NQ on this 100%. Couldnt have put it better myself although would have made it shorter!

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You're basing your analysis on a freak match and using it to justify a long standing argument that holds no water based on the evidence. Even so and taking the carefully limited scope of your argument, you defeat it yourself. You have already said Coquelin and Frimpong were a joke last night and they were. But when Eisfeld and Giroud came on they created the environment for Walcott to prosper. These were the pair who swung the match, not Theo Walcott.

As I said, Walcott doesn't have that capability himself. He's had his FEW moments, there's potential there for sure. A hat-trick vs Croatia, one decent half for England more recently with nothing in the intervening years. Half the time anonymous for us and even in his good games he's atrocious for 50% of them, giving the ball away, making blind runs. You see the good stuff and ignore the bad. Then you say give him the money, let him dictate. That's your opinion, that's fine. I say he's not half the player you make him out to be and the evidence of years bears that out. And I say let him put in plenty more decent performances on a regular basis and then we'll see about the money.

He's either with us or he's somewhere else. Right now he's saying if he gets his way he'll stay. I don't care if he's scoring goals against Reading in the Mickey Mouse Cup. I care if he's going to be around delivering consistent performances. Playing where he's told to play and putting in a 100% shift each game. If we're going to let Walcott dictate then why not every other player? What makes Walcott so special? Goals in the Carling Cup? So Chamakh scored too, lets have him in to decide where he wants to play and how much we need to pay him. Let's do it for all of them and see where that gets us.

You have 100% support for a player that has at best lukewarm support for us. I don't. Made that mistake with RvC, won't be making it again. It's about the team, we win fuck all ever if we don't have a unified team that puts the team first. Plenty of other players out there who would be happy to be here and could put in a much more consistent showing then Walcott. Why we should be expected to bow to him I have no idea. Should be the other way around, he should be kissing our arse. Let me know when he's committed to the club again and I'll reciprocate. Until then don't bore me with this Theo worship.

[Niall_Quinn]

Rubbish as usual...

Oops, stopped reading right there. I assume you went on to make your usual points. In which case I refer you to what I've already said. Let me know when Walcott is an Arsenal player.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Lol. I was actually referring to said NQ and PNG.

I know i was joshing.

[Letters]

NQ is right. To conclude anything about anyone from last night is mental.
Of course the WUMs and those with agendas use it to back up their case but the fact is last night was a freak game from which nothing sensible can be concluded.

That said, Walcott's stats last season were #decent. What he needs to do is get consistent.

[Kano]

but the fact is last night was a freak game from which nothing sensible can be concluded.
apart from the fact that we have little bit mental strength and desire

[Niall_Quinn]

apart from the fact that we have little bit mental strength and desire

Yes, just a little bit.

[Niall_Quinn]

We all want to see Walcott take it to the Mancs and smash 2 goals past them this weekend after running them ragged, right? Then he can talk about money, then we can talk about a future that involves Theo Walcott.

[Özim]

We all want to see Walcott take it to the Mancs and smash 2 goals past them this weekend after running them ragged, right? Then he can talk about money, then we can talk about a future that involves Theo Walcott.
No chance of that, we will show great spirit and togetherness however we will be lacking a little bit of sharpness and will be a little tired after Tuesday's match.

[LDG]

We all want to see Walcott take it to the Mancs and smash 2 goals past them this weekend after running them ragged, right? Then he can talk about money, then we can talk about a future that involves Theo Walcott.

It is, however, highly unlikey that Theo will run Patrice Evra ragged. And it is even more unlikely that he will score two goals.

[Niall_Quinn]

No chance of that, we will show great spirit and togetherness however we will be lacking a little bit of sharpness and will be a little tired after Tuesday's match.

This is the whole point. He has it in him to do it. Can he do it? This is what excelling at the top level is all about. The big games, the big stage, making the difference, earning the fucking 100K. Not some fucking slimy agent hissing about what Gareth the useless overpaid **** Barry earns.

[Niall_Quinn]

It is, however, highly unlikey that Theo will run Patrice Evra ragged. And it is even more unlikely that he will score two goals.

Well if he does then I'm wrong. And happy to be wrong.

[Niall_Quinn]

It is, however, highly unlikey that Theo will run Patrice Evra ragged. And it is even more unlikely that he will score two goals.

Patrice Evra is a ****, btw.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

I know i was joshing.

:haha: good one

[LDG]

Well if he does then I'm wrong. And happy to be wrong.

Me too.

But you won't be. And neither will I.

And I desperately want to be proved wrong, believe me. Fuckin manc ****s and Robin Manc ****twat

[Özil's Panoramic View]

LFB should be paramount among our many concerns. I can see Valencia running riot there, cutting into our 18yrd to either unleash pin point deliveries to RvC or peppering our goal with shots

We'll have to take the game to them through the middle of the pitch and this is where Wilshere's darting runs will be required. He could prove to be a real pain in the arse for the Mancs defence.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

No chance of that, we will show great spirit and togetherness however we will be lacking a little bit of sharpness and will be a little tired after Tuesday's match.

How will we be tired when it won't even be the same team who played.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

This is the whole point. He has it in him to do it. Can he do it? This is what excelling at the top level is all about. The big games, the big stage, making the difference, earning the fucking 100K. Not some fucking slimy agent hissing about what Gareth the useless overpaid **** Barry earns.

Of course he can do it, its whether he will do it is the isssue.

[Özim]

How will we be tired when it won't even be the same team who played.
How has that ever stopped him? Anyway it doesn't matter, it's just an excuse, he'll no doubt play a couple players from Tuesday.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

How has that ever stopped him? Anyway it doesn't matter, it's just an excuse, he'll no doubt play a couple players from Tuesday.

Yeah but with the mancs playing the chavs and putting out a harder team it would be silly to use that excuse, might use the shaprness one though.

[Cripps_orig]

Love this player :bow:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Yeah we know.

[gooners]

NQ is right. To conclude anything about anyone from last night is mental.
Of course the WUMs and those with agendas use it to back up their case but the fact is last night was a freak game from which nothing sensible can be concluded.

That said, Walcott's stats last season were #decent. What he needs to do is get consistent.

name another youngstr aside messi who has done subsantially better than theo in all these years (and who has been played in a position that they feel doesn't suit them).

Png also makes a very fair point -- but of course those with the 'footballers are greedy' agenda have come up with their own barometer for judging a player they think wants to leave anyway. My word, this not new at all --- it just happened last august ffs with another player for the umpteenth time at AFC!

[GP]

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[jelgoon]

i think he'll go to LIverpool and will be very average for them. He's another Saun Wright Phillips. I cant see him going to Man City at all - and he wouldnt get in the team if he did.
Will he really play many games as a striker for them though. I mean he is not really better then any of their strikers. he'd be better of going to liverpool.

[Cripps_orig]

Another SWP?

Hes far better than SWP ever was.

Theo must be kept at all costs.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

i think he'll go to LIverpool and will be very average for them. He's another Saun Wright Phillips. I cant see him going to Man City at all - and he wouldnt get in the team if he did.

Nope he be like, the lad they brought from Swansea, forgot his name.

[jelgoon]

i dont think it is about the big games. He has got goals and played well in big games. Didnt he come on against Barca at the Emirates and kill them if I remember ( and you dont get bigger than that). He also did reallly well at Anfield once - again a big game. Its more about him doing it week-in week-out against everyone. Thats what he doesnt do in my opinion.


This is the whole point. He has it in him to do it. Can he do it? This is what excelling at the top level is all about. The big games, the big stage, making the difference, earning the fucking 100K. Not some fucking slimy agent hissing about what Gareth the useless overpaid **** Barry earns.

[Cripps_orig]

i dont think it is about the big games. He has got goals and played well in big games. Didnt he come on against Barca at the Emirates and kill them if I remember ( and you dont get bigger than that). He also did reallly well at Anfield once - again a big game. Its more about him doing it week-in week-out against everyone. Thats what he doesnt do in my opinion.
So he has to play every game?

[jelgoon]

I disagree.. Wright Phillips at one time was hailed too as England's saviour if you remember. Anyhow, how will he be kept at any cost? Are you seriously saying we should pay him more than £70,000 a week cos that is what this is all about not playing down the middle.


Another SWP?

Hes far better than SWP ever was.

Theo must be kept at all costs.

[jelgoon]

Well he doesnt play every game cos hes inconsistent and Wenger get bored of him doing nothing in certain games and drops him.


So he has to play every game?

[Cripps_orig]

I disagree.. Wright Phillips at one time was hailed too as England's saviour if you remember. Anyhow, how will he be kept at any cost? Are you seriously saying we should pay him more than £70,000 a week cos that is what this is all about not playing down the middle.
Its not about the money.

Wenger has said it. Theo has said it.

No idea where you got that idea from.

Doesnt really matter. He scores and he assists. So he doesnt play well every game, who does? Hardly a reason to get rid. Produces more than players of his ilk at other clubs and whoever we get will be a downgrade. Talk is Gnabry might be used more often. Hes a bit shit. Ox's star isnt shining as bright now as hes been a bit shit since that epic game v Mancs.

Give Theo a place upfront and £70k

Hes our best finisher

No brainer

[GP]

I disagree.. Wright Phillips at one time was hailed too as England's saviour if you remember. Anyhow, how will he be kept at any cost? Are you seriously saying we should pay him more than £70,000 a week cos that is what this is all about not playing down the middle.

Wenger has said Theo will play as a striker, yet he still hasn't signed a contract.

It's all about money.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

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Golf thread is in the other section :coffee:

[GP]

Golf thread is in the other section :coffee:

Your face is in the fail section :coffee:

[Syn]

It's all about money.

No shit.


"I always said that he will be a striker, so we are on the same wavelength there," said the manager.

"First of all he is a good finisher now - the way he scored the first goal. Secondly, I believe he knows where to be in the box on the rebounds. I like that - that’s a quality of a striker that you cannot give to anybody. You feel it or you don’t. He has the qualities to play there and he was superb [on Tuesday night]."

Wenger reiterated his desire to keep Walcott at Emirates Stadium and praised him for his attitude while negotiations continue.

"That’s what I hope [that he is a striker at Arsenal]," said Wenger. "I always said that I want to keep him. Apart from [the] contract talks, you have to give him credit for the way he is committed for the team and the way he behaves."

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-walcott-has-a-striker-s-qualities

"Apart from the contract talks..." writing has been on the wall for some time.

Whether it's the club not offering enough or Theo holding out for too much, I don't know or care. He's on his way out and nothing is changing that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Your face is in the fail section :coffee:

Disgusting how Theo and his wages demands to the arsenal board are treated on here :coffee:

[Kano]

No shit.



"Apart from the contract talks..." writing has been on the wall for some time.

Whether it's the club not offering enough or Theo holding out for too much, I don't know or care. He's on his way out and nothing is changing that.

tbf you called rvc staying with us, so your prediction is probably a good sign.

[server too busy!]

I hope he stays because he finally looks like he's becoming a useful player. He's got great finishing ability too.

[Joker]

name another youngstr aside messi who has done subsantially better than theo in all these years (and who has been played in a position that they feel doesn't suit them).

Png also makes a very fair point -- but of course those with the 'footballers are greedy' agenda have come up with their own barometer for judging a player they think wants to leave anyway. My word, this not new at all --- it just happened last august ffs with another player for the umpteenth time at AFC!

If we want to talk about greed we should be looking at the board first and foremost.

[Power n Glory]

i dont think it is about the big games. He has got goals and played well in big games. Didnt he come on against Barca at the Emirates and kill them if I remember ( and you dont get bigger than that). He also did reallly well at Anfield once - again a big game. Its more about him doing it week-in week-out against everyone. Thats what he doesnt do in my opinion.

That's right. People seems to forget about the big games and it's untrue to say he doesn't turn up or have the ability to turn a game around on his own. I'm not jut basing my opinion on the Reading game either. Anyone that has had this discussion with me before should know that I have always said Theo is a striker and can finish.

He usually turns up for big games. Last season, both CL qualification games, he scores the winning goals. Against Spurs last season, kills the game with two goals after having a terrible start. Chelsea last season, when we won 3-5, he was fantastic. The season before that when we beat them again 3-1, great again and Cole couldn't handle him. Even in one of our worst games in history at Old Trafford, he still scored to make it 3-1,l and a fightback was possible, but we know how that story went. The Barca game, Milan and Liverpool in the Champs League, his first goal for us in the Carling Cup final...he doesn't shy away from the big occasions.

Not to mention the many other assists. He needs to add consistency to his game but he's still in his early 20's and playing for a struggling team. He'd need to have RVP, Messi, Ronaldo type consistency to turn our season around and into title contenders. He's just not at that level. And who is at Arsenal? We can't get a consistent performance out of any of the players week in week out. But saying that, Theo is in form and should be in the starting line up. No idea what's happening with his contract but the club seem very slow to schedule more contract talks. Why did they leave it so long to offer him a new deal in the first place?

[IBK]

For me, Theo has given some impressive performances - upped his game since the contract saga began - and I respect him for not letting his head drop. Impossible to know, but he seems genuinely to want to stay at the club, and I hope he does.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

name another youngstr aside messi who has done subsantially better than theo in all these years (and who has been played in a position that they feel doesn't suit them).

Png also makes a very fair point -- but of course those with the 'footballers are greedy' agenda have come up with their own barometer for judging a player they think wants to leave anyway. My word, this not new at all --- it just happened last august ffs with another player for the umpteenth time at AFC!

Its disgusting how youngstr's like Theo and Messi are treated on here :coffee:

[Syn]

tbf you called rvc staying with us, so your prediction is probably a good sign.

:lol:

At least if Theo stays my British players don't leave theory (yes, yes, cashley) is still intact with Bale also staying at the spuds. Make a lot of predictions, one of them is bound to be right. Then keep talking about that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I disagree.. Wright Phillips at one time was hailed too as England's saviour if you remember. Anyhow, how will he be kept at any cost? Are you seriously saying we should pay him more than £70,000 a week cos that is what this is all about not playing down the middle.

Can't see many clubs that would unless he goes City or Chavs and both those don't need him, neither do Utd. Only "Big Clubs" that he could go to is Pool or Spuds, and i don't think either of those would pay him more then what he is on.

End of the day he is better off staying with us anyways.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

No shit.



"Apart from the contract talks..." writing has been on the wall for some time.

Whether it's the club not offering enough or Theo holding out for too much, I don't know or care. He's on his way out and nothing is changing that.

Seems to be the stumbling block not playing up top, if its not sorted by 30th jan then we all no he will be sold to the highest bidder.

[Grebbo]

I've done a u-turn now. Pay Theo what he wants, it'll be sub £100k pw so who gives a fuck.

Ivan the terrible is on almost £40k pw so Theo is worth it.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I've done a u-turn now. Pay Theo what he wants, it'll be sub £100k pw so who gives a fuck.

Ivan the terrible is on almost £40k pw so Theo is worth it.

He said its not about the money though?

[GP]

He said its not about the money though?

Anyone who honestly doesn't believe this is all down to money is in de nile.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Anyone who honestly doesn't believe this is all down to money is in de nile.

Oh i believe its about the money, was just quoting what he said.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

FOOTBALL

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger reiterates his desire for Theo Walcott to sign a new long-term deal at the Emirates. The north London club is tweeting from the Frenchman's pre-Manchester United media conference: "Wenger on Walcott: 'I want it resolved by Christmas. His right position is through the middle in the future'."

There you go he has got a month to get it sorted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/20164428

[LDG]

This is just Wenget / Board getting their excuses in early.

Theo has been advised badly, and has stated that the stumbling block is his position. Ultimately, it will lead to him being lynched by the fans, as we have just won the politics on this one.

The "striker" argument is now redundant, and the only thing left is money. And money is what will see him leave. i) Because he'll get paid more elsewhere and ii) Because we'll want the transfer fee.

All in all. We're the ones getting mugged again. Not Theo. Not Wenget. Not Arsenal.

The fans.

[Power n Glory]

It's up to the club to get a hold of his reps and thrash out a deal. So far, I've heard we haven't even scheduled new talks with his people or even improved our offer. This goes beyond the point of talking about Theo's value to the club, it's more about the way we do business. When you add up all the past cases, you really have wonder about the people we have in charge conducting these negotiations. Seems like we have too many Machiavelli / Sun Tzu readers running the show, attempting to adopt a strong stance that's costing us dearly.

As said before, why has it taken so long to offer Theo a contract? They did the same with his last deal and it rubbed him the wrong way and he warned them that they shouldn't assume that he's just going to sign it. They've done it again and now look. This 'make an offer at the last minute' strategy is something we often try in the transfer window as well. It blows up in our face in most cases. It's also worth people remembering the way the club treated Bergkamp in his final years. That 1 year contract policy for 30+ players is Wenger's idea but seeing the sort of situation it left Bergkamp in, it shows a total lack of respect for him as a player and his service to the club. I'm not comparing Theo to Bergkamp before anyone jumps the gun, as some folks like to do, just asking people to question the way the club conduct these contract talks. There are plenty of other examples.

[Marc Overmars]

I'm glad Wenget has spoken publically and put a deadline on it.

Fairly obvious he'll be sold in January if it's not sorted.

[Kano]

theo's in no fucking position to warn anyone about anything. liverpool is his only other option, which is not an option at all really if he is serious about at least staying within some sort of touching distance of the top of the game.

the 30+ thing runs at man utd and chelsea too, so we are not alone with that model.

the club are ****s and the way it is run now is a shambles. theo needs to stop fucking around and sign up because the only thing that contract will ensure is that we get a decent sell on fee for when he does leave - if he performs amazingly well any club interested in buying him in a year or two will happily pay through the nose, so he won't be trapped. the best footballers never are, they always find a way out.

[Power n Glory]

theo's in no fucking position to warn anyone about anything. liverpool is his only other option, which is not an option at all really if he is serious about at least staying within some sort of touching distance of the top of the game.

the 30+ thing runs at man utd and chelsea too, so we are not alone with that model.

the club are ****s and the way it is run now is a shambles. theo needs to stop fucking around and sign up because the only thing that contract will ensure is that we get a decent sell on fee for when he does leave - if he performs amazingly well any club interested in buying him in a year or two will happily pay through the nose, so he won't be trapped. the best footballers never are, they always find a way out.

Like it or not, Theo is in the stronger position. That's a fact and he doesn't have to simply accept anything. Where he goes after us isn't our problem. He could flop wherever he goes next but the still won't change the fact that we've lost an effective player and it's most likely to happen again because the club handles things badly. The 30+ model maybe at United but they have managed to keep a hold of their long servicing players and value their contribution.

[Syn]

theo's in no fucking position to warn anyone about anything. liverpool is his only other option, which is not an option at all really if he is serious about at least staying within some sort of touching distance of the top of the game.

the 30+ thing runs at man utd and chelsea too, so we are not alone with that model.

the club are ****s and the way it is run now is a shambles. theo needs to stop fucking around and sign up because the only thing that contract will ensure is that we get a decent sell on fee for when he does leave - if he performs amazingly well any club interested in buying him in a year or two will happily pay through the nose, so he won't be trapped. the best footballers never are, they always find a way out.

I think thats right. Are we to assume then that Theo doesn't fancy his ability? Maybe he believes his stock won't be higher - it's easier to make people believe you're a goal-a-game striker than actually become one. At the moment, any club can pick him up on a low transfer fee (and therefore pay very high wages because Theo has shown enough promise recently to suggest he can do it). There are no guarantees that in 2 years time he will have made the sort of impact people are predicting now.

It's true that the top players can always find a way out but what if Theo doesn't think he'll be a top player? In that case, moving now is his best move.

[Kano]

I think thats right. Are we to assume then that Theo doesn't fancy his ability? Maybe he believes his stock won't be higher - it's easier to make people believe you're a goal-a-game striker than actually become one. At the moment, any club can pick him up on a low transfer fee (and therefore pay very high wages because Theo has shown enough promise recently to suggest he can do it). There are no guarantees that in 2 years time he will have made the sort of impact people are predicting now.

It's true that the top players can always find a way out but what if Theo doesn't think he'll be a top player? In that case, moving now is his best move.
well if he doesn't then he never will become one and we would've got off lightly.

keown makes a good point

His move to Arsenal and international debut were handed to him, really, but now he has to fight for a place and the new contract he wants. That might be a masterstroke by Arsene Wenger.
he seems to be responding to that and rather than asking him to do that sort of scrapy play on the pitch (tracking back, fighting for the ball etc) he is being forced to show his fighting spirit on AND off the pitch, which could be the making of him.

if he goes to liverpool then good riddance, he clearly does not rate himself that highly and prefers the easy option.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Like it or not, Theo is in the stronger position. That's a fact and he doesn't have to simply accept anything. Where he goes after us isn't our problem. He could flop wherever he goes next but the still won't change the fact that we've lost an effective player and it's most likely to happen again because the club handles things badly. The 30+ model maybe at United but they have managed to keep a hold of their long servicing players and value their contribution.

Not really no, No other club will pay him the wages he wants. He'd also want to play in the CL, can't see A Utd, Chelsea Or City buying him they don't need him and theclub know that. End of the day only Pool could be the only "top club" he could go to and they won't pay him more then 70K.

Not Club or player have the advantage over the other right now. End of the day the manager says he wants to keep him but the board are not too bothered. Mybe he needs to get better advisors tbh. Cause unless he goes abroad he won't do much better then us.

[Marc Overmars]

Chelsea would take him. They need forwards and the Old Boys there will groom him to be one of their own.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

well if he doesn't then he never will become one and we would've got off lightly.

keown makes a good point

he seems to be responding to that and rather than asking him to do that sort of scrapy play on the pitch (tracking back, fighting for the ball etc) he is being forced to show his fighting spirit on AND off the pitch, which could be the making of him.

if he goes to liverpool then good riddance, he clearly does not rate himself that highly and prefers the easy option.

Spot on and Spot on by Keown.

[Cripps_orig]

Not really no, No other club will pay him the wages he wants. He'd also want to play in the CL, can't see A Utd, Chelsea Or City buying him they don't need him and theclub know that. End of the day only Pool could be the only "top club" he could go to and they won't pay him more then 70K.

Not Club or player have the advantage over the other right now. End of the day the manager says he wants to keep him but the board are not too bothered. Mybe he needs to get better advisors tbh. Cause unless he goes abroad he won't do much better then us.And you know this how?

If he leaves on a free then the fact he wont cost a thing means he will get high wages

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Chelsea would take him. They need forwards and the Old Boys there will groom him to be one of their own.

They don't need him when they just bought Moses and probably will buy Falcao. Though we have not sold to them in a while so you could be onto something.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

And you know this how?

If he leaves on a free then the fact he wont cost a thing means he will get high wages

Its common sense, and he won't leave on a free he won't be allowed to he'll be sold before that happens.

But what do wages matter like you say its not about the money.

[GP]

Ship out Feo, buy Falcao.

Everyone's happy.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Ship out Feo, buy Falcao.

Everyone's happy.

Well you'd think that...:coffee:

[Power n Glory]

And you know this how?

If he leaves on a free then the fact he wont cost a thing means he will get high wages

Thank you. Nobody knows what sort of deal Theo's agent can get him or whose interested. Did anyone think Song would go to Barca or RVP to Man Utd?

And the fact is, it's another blow to the clubs reputation and it hurts us on the field.

[Cripps_orig]

Its common sense, and he won't leave on a free he won't be allowed to he'll be sold before that happens.

But what do wages matter like you say its not about the money.
Well no. Its common sense to suggest he will get high wages if his transfer fee is low. Its happened plenty of times with players coming to the end of their contracts.

Money plays a part, of course it does. Its a contract negotiation. You'd have to be a tard though to think its the only issue. Wenger has said time and time agin he will play Theo in his rightful position and never does so Theo is sticking it to the big man and good on him

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well no. Its common sense to suggest he will get high wages if his transfer fee is low. Its happened plenty of times with players coming to the end of their contracts.

Money plays a part, of course it does. Its a contract negotiation. You'd have to be a tard though to think its the only issue. Wenger has said time and time agin he will play Theo in his rightful position and never does so Theo is sticking it to the big man and good on him

Yep im sure he'd be happy playing at liverpool for 50k a week as long as he plays up top, cause like you say its not about the money.

[Kano]

big wages at liverpool - that would sum up the level of his ambition, if he went there.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Thank you. Nobody knows what sort of deal Theo's agent can get him or whose interested. Did anyone think Song would go to Barca or RVP to Man Utd?

And the fact is, it's another blow to the clubs reputation and it hurts us on the field.

No about Song, But RVP it clear he was going to go many thought to City but not UTD, no.

[Cripps_orig]

Yep im sure he'd be happy playing at liverpool for 50k a week as long as he plays up top, cause like you say its not about the money.

Oh dear

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Oh dear

Its about playing up top like you say, so whats the big deal its him getting what he wants is it not.

[Cripps_orig]

Its about playing up top like you say, so whats the big deal its him getting what he wants is it not.

Contract negotiations can be about more than one thing :rolleyes:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

big wages at liverpool - that would sum up the level of his ambition, if he went there.

Yeah but he supports them and he'd be played up top whixh is what he wants.

[Power n Glory]

I think thats right. Are we to assume then that Theo doesn't fancy his ability? Maybe he believes his stock won't be higher - it's easier to make people believe you're a goal-a-game striker than actually become one. At the moment, any club can pick him up on a low transfer fee (and therefore pay very high wages because Theo has shown enough promise recently to suggest he can do it). There are no guarantees that in 2 years time he will have made the sort of impact people are predicting now.

It's true that the top players can always find a way out but what if Theo doesn't think he'll be a top player? In that case, moving now is his best move.

You may have a point there which is probably why he wants to play as a striker. Nobody rates him as one of the top wingers and if he stays another 2 years at Arsenal and playing in that position, his stock may continue to fall. After last season and his past few games, he's gained some credit, but he's been heavily criticsed in the past and with Wenger buying Pod, Gervinho, talking up Gnarby, Ox, he needs to be careful about signing a new deal. We know the club are willing to freeze a £75k player out of the starting line up. Look at Arshavin and Chamakh. You may have point.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

This is just Wenget / Board getting their excuses in early.

Theo has been advised badly, and has stated that the stumbling block is his position. Ultimately, it will lead to him being lynched by the fans, as we have just won the politics on this one.

The "striker" argument is now redundant, and the only thing left is money. And money is what will see him leave. i) Because he'll get paid more elsewhere and ii) Because we'll want the transfer fee.

All in all. We're the ones getting mugged again. Not Theo. Not Wenget. Not Arsenal.

The fans.

spot on.

there's a recurring theme here which is clear for everyone to see:

player wants new contract
board/manager refuse to match wage
board/manager go to press, give some sentimental crap & say the player will stay loyal
player makes up excuse about wanting to leave (ambition/being played out of position)
player leaves

its shocking and its happening year on year.

they're insulting our intelligence and think we're all mugs. trying to spin it off every time as if its the players fault. its clear where the problem lies.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Contract negotiations can be about more than one thing :rolleyes:

Yes they can,your the one who's been spouting on about its not the money is where he plays.

But feck it give him a 100K like Terry says, football is filled with players who don't deserve to be on wages their on.

Though even if they gave him a deal he'd only be sold in the summer for 25 mill anyways.

[Cripps_orig]

Yes they can,your the one who's been spouting on about its not the money is where he plays.

But feck it give him a 100K like Terry says, football is filled with players who don't deserve to be on wages their on.

Though even if they gave him a deal he'd only be sold in the summer for 25 mill anyways.
Well no its been the player and Wenger himself :good:

Funny how you believe everything Wenger says but he says one thing that goes against something you say and hes a liar :lol:

Charlie :bow:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well no its been the player and Wenger himself :good:

Funny how you believe everything Wenger says but he says one thing that goes against something you say and hes a liar :lol:

Charlie :bow:

Well no but if helps you feel better then sure. Wenger won't come out and say its about the money, he never does that sort of thing.

Funny though you say Wenger chats BS, but as soons as he says something that suits you Agenda he istalking sense etc.

[gooners]

Q
big wages at liverpool - that would sum up the level of his ambition, if he went there.

no, he will end up as their lead striker--- thats ambitious enough if liverpool progress as they should

People forget that big wages makes a player indispensable and puts the pressure on a club to play them at all cost or flog them on the cheap if they things dont pan out.

That is why afc is against signing superstar players.

[gooners]

This is just Wenget / Board getting their excuses in early.

Theo has been advised badly, and has stated that the stumbling block is his position. Ultimately, it will lead to him being lynched by the fans, as we have just won the politics on this one.

The "striker" argument is now redundant, and the only thing left is money. And money is what will see him leave. i) Because he'll get paid more elsewhere and ii) Because we'll want the transfer fee.

All in all. We're the ones getting mugged again. Not Theo. Not Wenget. Not Arsenal.

The fans.

Theo has been impeccable in his professionalism.

And if fans wanna have a go at him, so be it.

It takes more that just wenger spouting that theo's position is in the middle to solve things.

If i were theo i will leave --- he will become a great player at another top five club; liverpool will actually give him a great platform as an out andx out striker

[LDG]

Liverpool. Top five?

Lol.

[GP]

4

[Niall_Quinn]

4

Keep your eyes open. Don't blink!

[Kano]

Q

no, he will end up as their lead striker--- thats ambitious enough if liverpool progress as they should

People forget that big wages makes a player indispensable and puts the pressure on a club to play them at all cost or flog them on the cheap if they things dont pan out.

That is why afc is against signing superstar players.

suarez going to left back?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Liverpool. Top five?

Lol.

:lol:

So much for ambition if he goes there.

[Syn]

Why? If he goes to Liverpool it shows ambition. Ambition is not free-riding on star players at other top clubs and being handed a winner's medal. Moving to a lower-placed club where things won't be as easy and you'll need to take on the pressure of being the star man is much more ambitious than being a squad player for Man City or Chelsea. Because that move is about trying to improve yourself and becoming the best player you can...which is what, to players, ambition should be.

Arghhhh far too much Theo talk. :ilt:

[Power n Glory]

Why? If he goes to Liverpool it shows ambition. Ambition is not free-riding on star players at other top clubs and being handed a winner's medal. Moving to a lower-placed club where things won't be as easy and you'll need to take on the pressure of being the star man is much more ambitious than being a squad player for Man City or Chelsea. Because that move is about trying to improve yourself and becoming the best player you can...which is what, to players, ambition should be.

Arghhhh far too much Theo talk. :ilt:

:gp:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Why? If he goes to Liverpool it shows ambition. Ambition is not free-riding on star players at other top clubs and being handed a winner's medal. Moving to a lower-placed club where things won't be as easy and you'll need to take on the pressure of being the star man is much more ambitious than being a squad player for Man City or Chelsea. Because that move is about trying to improve yourself and becoming the best player you can...which is what, to players, ambition should be.

Arghhhh far too much Theo talk. :ilt:

Depends on his reasons for going to pool.

[Özim]

It's because Theo saw Wenger on his way back from the bottle bank, apparently he had no bottle.

[LDG]

It's because Theo saw Wenger on his way back from the bottle bank, apparently he had no bottle.

:lol:

[Dennis Bendtner]

Lot of talk about Wilfred Zaha from Palace. Just moving away from the Theo talk onto Theo III.

[Master Splinter]

Lot of talk about Wilfred Zaha from Palace. Just moving away from the Theo talk onto Theo III.

Let's just fast forward to Zaha demanding to be allowed a say in what uniform the tea lady wears or else he'll move to be part of Liverpool's fifteenth revolution.

N_Q v the Zaha Apologists. :popcorn:

[Niall_Quinn]

Let's just fast forward to Zaha demanding to be allowed a say in what uniform the tea lady wears or else he'll move to be part of Liverpool's fifteenth revolution.

N_Q v the Zaha Apologists. :popcorn:

Everyone knows tea ladies should be naked, especially if they are old.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

N_Q v the Zaha Apologists. :popcorn:

:haha:

[Master Splinter]

Everyone knows tea ladies should be naked, especially if they are old.

Never said they shouldn't be.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

if he goes to liverpool then good riddance, he clearly does not rate himself that highly and prefers the easy option.

To be fair there would be nothing easy about going to Liverpool. We may be a bit shit but we're still a big club, with (at times unreasonably) high expectations and where the spotlight is very much on you. I think it was Joe Cole who said it was totally different even to being at Chelsea, and he was hardly integral at either club. Especially if he were to play as the main striker- if that were to happen Suarez would move out to the right which I would very much prefer anyway. Considering he would be on a fair amount of wages he would have a lot to prove, with nowhere to hide.

If he were to move to City or another big club then people would say he's taking an easy option because it would already be a team filled with good players (and that he'd be happy to sit on the bench, pick up the wages and collect the medal come May) and if he were to stay you could also say he's taking the easy option by staying in a relative comfort zone.

And obviously most importantly, if he were to move to us- oddly something I think is getting less likely as time goes on- it would be fulfilling his boyhood dream.

[Marc Overmars]

I don't think it would be the easy way out for Theo to leave. He's still got many detractors in the game and doesn't recieve the favourable treatment his fellow GHELs do. I mean, Oxlade is now an England regular having only performed well in a handful of games for us.

He's got a big challenge on his hands regardless of what his decision is.

[gooners]

He's still got many detractors in the game and doesn't recieve the favourable treatment his fellow.

Because the weaker side of his game has been exposed over and over again by being shunted on the wing --- a position he has admitted he is uncomfortable with. His best option really is to leave and rejuvenate his career elsewhere as a striker.

[Cripps_orig]

Liverpool are monitoring Theo Walcott's contract dispute at Arsenal and Reds boss Brendan Rodgers could use the £10m he has been promised for transfers at Anfield to make a bid for the England forward.
Full story: Daily Mirror

£20m+ for shite such as Downing and Henderson and £35m for shite like Carroll

And they think they can get Theo for £10m?

Sounds about right knowing our manager

[Olivier's xmas twist]

£20m+ for shite such as Downing and Henderson and £35m for shite like Carroll

And they think they can get Theo for £10m?

Sounds about right knowing our manager

No one is stupid enough to pay 20 mill to get him. when they can get him for free 6 months later.

[Power n Glory]

We'd do we'll to get £10m when he's in his last few months. Fuck...he's gone if they put that money up. The Board love that sort of offer and Wenger can start grooming Gnarby. :doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

Liverpool would never pay £10mill for Walcott. £20mill would be their opening offer and they could haggle it up to at least £30mill. Plus we could have Walcott back after a year for around £250. I say go for it.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Liverpool would never pay £10mill for Walcott. £20mill would be their opening offer and they could haggle it up to at least £30mill. Plus we could have Walcott back after a year for around £250. I say go for it.

:lol:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We'd do we'll to get £10m when he's in his last few months. Fuck...he's gone if they put that money up. The Board love that sort of offer and Wenger can start grooming Gnarby. :doh:

Well if he has not signed a deal and leaves on a free then it would be dumb, so of course they will take the money. Its common sense.

[Power n Glory]

Well if he has not signed a deal and leaves on a free then it would be dumb, so of course they will take the money. Its common sense.

Do you really need to keep on stating the obvious?

Really annoys me to hear people talk as if it's a good move and then moan when results don't go our way on the pitch as if they can't see the obvious pattern.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

charlie can do whatever he wants tbh

he's being groomed as a future mod so id watch out if i was you

chaz :bow:

[Power n Glory]

That's great news, maybe he'll take a more background role like the rest of then if that's the case.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Do you really need to keep on stating the obvious?

Really annoys me to hear people talk as if it's a good move and then moan when results don't go our way on the pitch as if they can't see the obvious pattern.

I never said it was a good move. Its Knowledge that Theo can sign a Pre contract in Jan. My point was he'll be sold before thats allowed to happen.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

charlie can do whatever he wants tbh

he's being groomed as a future mod so id watch out if i was you

chaz :bow:

Feck that for a laugh.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

That's great news, maybe he'll take a more background role like the rest of then if that's the case.

:haha:

This place would be boring as fuck should Charlie try to emulate his fellow mods

[Power n Glory]

I never said it was a good move. Its Knowledge that Theo can sign a Pre contract in Jan. My point was he'll be sold before thats allowed to happen.

Fair enough if that's your stance. Pay me no mind.

But I know £10m is a good deal, which is what I was getting at in the first place. A week ago, I said we'd be lucky to get £5m.

[tech12]

Why can't we do what all the Spanish/French clubs seem to do. Make Walcott sign a long term contract, and then just sell him for more.

[Joker]

There's still questions to be asked about exactly when the contract offer was made, how much was offered and whether Walcott walked away from the talks etc. Of course Kroenke apologists claim they have inside info that Theo's representatives cut off negotiations, but it wouldn't surprise me if the club messed up by either not offering a contract soon enough (as they did with Song) or making Theo a derisory offer.

[Power n Glory]

There's still questions to be asked about exactly when the contract offer was made, how much was offered and whether Walcott walked away from the talks etc. Of course Kroenke apologists claim they have inside info that Theo's representatives cut off negotiations, but it wouldn't surprise me if the club messed up by either not offering a contract soon enough (as they did with Song) or making Theo a derisory offer.

Arseblog has said that Theo's people cut off talks but one of the journalists on Sunday Supplement with more credible sources said there were preliminary talks about the deal early in the season, that is standard, but it took them ages to offer him a contract and schedule an official meeting between the two camps. As Theo said, the last deal took 6 months to thrash out. I just think our people are slow and purposely offered a deal late on towards the end of the transfer window. Song's camp were told to wait for contract talks after the window had closed so I think we purposely leave things late.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Feck that for a laugh.

Would rather stick pins in my eyes. . .than have Charlie modding :wink:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Would rather stick pins in my eyes. . .than have Charlie modding :wink:

:lol:


Fair enough if that's your stance. Pay me no mind.

But I know £10m is a good deal, which is what I was getting at in the first place. A week ago, I said we'd be lucky to get £5m.

Tbh PnG i just wanted it sorted one way of the other. So we can all move on.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why can't we do what all the Spanish/French clubs seem to do. Make Walcott sign a long term contract, and then just sell him for more.

Couple of problems with that. Theo's wages would be less if the transfer fee was higher. Also you'd have to persuade somebody to pay silly money for him so it would limit his options to a move to City, the Chavs or Exxon Mobil. Exxon don't like strikers and Theo wouldn't get a game at City or the Chavs. Liverpool would have been ideal but they spent all their money on Stewart Downing already.

[Niall_Quinn]

:lol:



Tbh PnG i just wanted it sorted one way of the other. So we can all move on.

Yep, we need to move on to the Cazorla contract dispute.

[Fist of Lehmann]

Better than either Daniel or Dean Sturridge.

[Kano]

There's still questions to be asked about exactly when the contract offer was made, how much was offered and whether Walcott walked away from the talks etc. Of course Kroenke apologists claim they have inside info that Theo's representatives cut off negotiations, but it wouldn't surprise me if the club messed up by either not offering a contract soon enough (as they did with Song) or making Theo a derisory offer.
well there is nothing to ask is there really, you've already made up your mind.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

well there is nothing to ask is there really, you've already made up your mind.

:haha:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

dunno whether he'll stay or not but i can tell you one thing

it was refreshing to see someone take corners on tuesday and actually deliver a good ball. think we scored 3 from corners and he took all 3

that alone warrants a first team spot.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:wave:, though he'll probs come on and score the winner.

[Marc Overmars]

Away fans chanting his name and they're deemed to be the best supporters.

Pretty much confirms all true Arsenal fans are behind him and want him to stay.

[Kano]

:wave:, though he'll probs come on and score the winner.

mmm, not so sure...

[Olivier's xmas twist]

mmm, not so sure...

You may be just right.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Guess i was wrong. Oh well there is always next game.

[Ernesto]

I don't think we should sell him, particularly to Liverpool. We need a player like Walcott playing up front. I honestly think that, no matter how tight or one-sided a game is, he'd make himself at least one chance in 90 minutes. With his finishing far superior to that of Giroud's, we're going to have to count on him for goals.

But, who am I kidding? Wenger wasted Bentdner, Arshavin, and now Podolski out on the wings. Why do I think he's going to change his mind for Walcott?

And given the shocking transfer policy of this last summer, is it now so outlandish to think that Theo Walcott could, in fact, move to Anfield?

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Away fans chanting his name and they're deemed to be the best supporters.

Pretty much confirms all true Arsenal fans are behind him and want him to stay.

Really think he'll be wearing a Man Utd shirt come the summer.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Really think he'll be wearing a Man Utd shirt come the summer.

Well if he goes it will be on a free.

[Cripps_orig]

THEO WALCOTT would give up all his personal accolades in a heartbeat — if it meant he could win a trophy with Arsenal.
The England flyer has become one of Arsene Wenger’s key men with a hatful of goals and assists this season.
The 24-year-old signed a new deal at the Emirates in January and earlier this month racked up his 250th appearance for the Gunners.
Walcott said: “I would personally take all of (my) appearances away to win something at this club.
“Some people may think I’m mad but I think I’m not selfish. I like to think for the club and the fans.
“Appearances are great but winning things means more. Hopefully next season, when I hopefully reach 300 appearances, there will be a trophy on the end of that. That’s the biggest target.
“I’m very proud of that (reaching 250 appearances). I’ve worked hard through all the lows and the highs. This season especially, there have been a lot of highs. It’s a nice positive.
“I don’t want it to stop there. I want to continue to play and get back fit soon. It’s a fantastic achievement and I’m very happy.
“I’ve definitely matured as a player. I’ve always been the same sort of person off the pitch. I’ve always got time for people. I think at times, the players might look for something to come from nowhere and at times that’s maybe (up to) me or the likes of Jack (Wilshere).
“This season has been my best goalscoring and assist-making season. I can see why people may think that now. That’s been the biggest step for me.
“The assists are something I’m very proud of. A lot of those come from the wing as well. An assist is just as important as getting a goal.”


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4870655/Theo-Walcott-would-give-up-accolades-for-trophy-at-Arsenal.html#ixzz2POuvVyK6 :bow:

Love this player. Single handedly kept my faith in football alive.

[Niall_Quinn]

Appearances are great but winning things means more.

Can be read many ways, good and bad. Works as a commitment piece and equally a shop window piece. Theo is quite skilled off the pitch, hopefully he will demonstrate some skill on it any time now.

[Cripps_orig]

Hardly a shop window piece seeing as he said he hopes to reach 300 appearances next season so unless he plays 300 games next season for his new club, he much to all true gooners delight is staying and thank fuck.

Has improved every season. Produces the goods and he'll get even better. Hopefully played as a striker unless we sign a top quality striker then he can stay on the right

[Xhaka Can’t]

What personal accolades?

[Marc Overmars]

What personal accolades?

His school sprinting championships.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

His school sprinting championships.

Well and truly missed his true calling....

[Master Splinter]

What personal accolades?

The Milky Way Crispy Rolls Literature Medal?

[Injury Time]

Quickest personal shopper-Southampton high street 2006 :bow:

[Özim]

Best Walnut impersonator 3 years running in 2008, 2009 and 2010.

[Letters]

Norwich Hospital Charity Cup (Joint) Winner?

[GP]

BSC SSC?

[Syn]

Bitches love them some BBCs.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Contract killer: Arsenal's Wenger dismisses idea Theo Walcott has taken it easy since signing da ting

Arsene Wenger has claimed that crocked Theo Walcott can yet play a major part in Arsenal's push for a Champions League place.

Walcott is facing a race to be fit for Saturday's trip to West Brom after a groin injury suffered on England duty, and even if he is available again, a drop in form has derailed the winger's season.

The 24-year-old, who signed a new contract in January, has not scored for the Gunners since that same month - but Wenger insists their fans are wrong to suggest the two things are linked.

Wenger said: "I don't believe that. If he didn't play well and had not signed a contract, then people would say the opposite.

"I don't think that is linked, especially with the fact that he has signed a contract or not. Because you can say as well he is more secure, he can express himself.

"I don't see any difference in attitude in training. He is a guy who loves football, who stays after training, works on his finishing. He was just a bit less decisive. He needs that fraction of a second to make the difference. He needs his pace.

"In recent games he dropped a little bit. I think it was the fact that he got the muscular injury, so it was down to fatigue.

"At Bayern, he did not have the greatest game but he still brought the goal and he looks dangerous. Until recently he made the difference time after time.

"He will come back."

Arsenal have their fingers crossed that Walcott will be ready for the home game with Norwich the following weekend if the West Brom trip comes too soon.

The same goes for midfielder Jack Wilshere, with Wenger hoping the 21-year-old ankle-injury victim will be back for the run-in after returning to training.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-theo-walcott-backed-arsene-1806928

Safe to say the fans are once again correct then....

[Niall_Quinn]

Interesting, if any of it is true.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2303835/West-Ham-Matt-Jarvis-Premier-League-crossing-statistics.html

Similarly interesting stats for shitstain Bale. Of course who's on the end of the attempted cross is important too. We have shit on one end and shit at the other so we end up nowhere. These basics of football are what we need to get back to. Passing, tackling, crossing, shooting. Very few of our players are proficient at these basic skills.

[Cripps_orig]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/article?contentId=3961521

Putting the team ahead of personal achievements, what a ****

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/article?contentId=3961521

Putting the team ahead of personal achievements, what a ****

What a hero, coming up with the novel idea that a team sport isn't all about him. Doesn't need to be said and nobody else felt the need but Theo will say it anyway. Still, mock humility is better than no humility at all.

[IBK]

What a hero, coming up with the novel idea that a team sport isn't all about him. Doesn't need to be said and nobody else felt the need but Theo will say it anyway. Still, mock humility is better than no humility at all.

The lad clearly thinks he's TH14's second incarnation. I'll admit, he's a finisher. The problem is that he can't reliably do anything else - and despite his goals, when he plays its like having 10 men much of the time. If he played in a team with real quality, we might be able to afford the luxury of having him on the pitch. Problem is he doesn't.

[Cripps_orig]

The lad clearly thinks he's TH14's second incarnation. I'll admit, he's a finisher. The problem is that he can't reliably do anything else - and despite his goals, when he plays its like having 10 men much of the time. If he played in a team with real quality, we might be able to afford the luxury of having him on the pitch. Problem is he doesn't.
He assists quite a few too.

So that's goals and assists. What else do we need him to do?

Make match winning saves? Rocket science? Perform brain surgery?

The expectations on Theo are ridiculous.

[Xhaka Can’t]

He assists quite a few too.

So that's goals and assists. What else do we need him to do?

Make match winning saves? Rocket science? Perform brain surgery?

The expectations on Theo are ridiculous.

Sure, why not?

He could start with his own.

[Cripps_orig]

For someone who claims not to watch MOTD, you sure do spout a lot of Hansens bs.

[Power n Glory]

Theo has really good numbers but he's not a winger and isn't playing like one either. If he was playing as a striker and putting up these number, you couldn't really complain too much about his contribution. But as a winger, he's expected to trouble opponents with his dribbling and be more creative like Robben or Di Maria. Even Gervinho operates more like a typical winger compared to how Theo has played recently and since the contract, he's been deployed as a wide second striker and it's down to Wenger wanting a goal scorer out wide instead of a creative winger.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2320036/Wenger-Theo-Walcott-centre-attention-Arsenal.html


'He finished in the middle,' Wenger said. 'I use him on the flank because I try to put a player in the middle who can score goals and having another player on the flank who can score it gives you a little bit of security.


It's not helping our balance and we don't have ball carriers on the flanks. None of our wide players dribble on the ball and take on their man. With Theo, he doesn't do the tippy tappy stuff on the edge of the box either, he's just looking to exploit space and his game is more about movement now. It wasn't always like this but I think Wenger is trying to show him that he can get goals from outwide and it's like they've come to some sort of compromise since the contract talks. He's getting goals and assists but we'll have to compensate in other areas if we're giving up on another proper winger.

It worked with Freddie because our left side was the strongest and most creative. We'd focus attacking the left with Henry, Cole and Pires doing their work, Bergkamp would drop deep and Freddie would dart in from wide to get into the box from the right. Worked like a charm. Now, we just don't have those sort of partnerships and fluidity happening on the pitch. We can't really afford to have two goal scorers on the flank that hardly dribbler or take on their man. We'd probably have to get in better wing backs which would explain why Pod played better with Gibbs and I think Jenks would be a better option over Sagna if we're going to have goal scorers on each flank over creative wingers.

[Ollie the Optimist]

If we sign Higuain, what does it mean for theo? In my mind that would make him 4th choice striker, if we get Rooney then 5th choice behind those two, podolski amd Giroud.

What happens to theo then? Given he wouldn't sign a new deal until he got told he would be a striker (and his 100k) will he start looming for a move given wenger has just gone out and signed more strikers, does he stay on the wing? It's an interesting one

[Cripps_orig]

Theo is an option to play upfront just like any of those others.

Considering we don't have Higuain or Rooney, i wouldn't lose too much sleep over it.

It's Giroud who should be looking over his shoulder.

[selassie]

If we sign Higuain, what does it mean for theo? In my mind that would make him 4th choice striker, if we get Rooney then 5th choice behind those two, podolski amd Giroud.

What happens to theo then? Given he wouldn't sign a new deal until he got told he would be a striker (and his 100k) will he start looming for a move given wenger has just gone out and signed more strikers, does he stay on the wing? It's an interesting one

Well I'm of the opinion that Theo is neither strong enough or technical enough to play up top for Arsenal.

He's an effective weapon to have and despite the fact that he divides opinion on this board, the boys stats are not to be scoffed at. Yes he fades in and out of a lot of games and does lack the Technical ability but the boy is a lethal finisher, the best in our team by a country mile.

Theo is a wide-forward, that's where he's effective and at times unplayable. He produces for this team too, the lad has bottle.

He should do as he's told and stay on the wing, especially given we have money to spend now and the likes of OX emerging.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes he fades in and out of a lot of games and does lack the Technical ability but the boy is a lethal finisher, the best in our team by a country mile.

He's also the worst finisher in our team by a country mile, and that's the problem with Theo Walcott. He's a part time player at best.

[Power n Glory]

His numbers are solid from out right but he'll need to adjust his game. Playing as a wide striker means we lose a lot of penetration down the right and defensive cover. Maybe with Jenkinson or a more effective attacking wingback we'll improve down that side attack wise.

But I'm guessing Wenger has faith in him as a player and likes his character. In light of our recent fortunes, they could have easily let him walk or run his deal down so we could look for someone else.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He's also the worst finisher in our team by a country mile, and that's the problem with Theo Walcott. He's a part time player at best.

when we have gervinho and you still make statements like that i really do think you're dot cotton.

[Kano]

If we sign Higuain, what does it mean for theo? In my mind that would make him 4th choice striker, if we get Rooney then 5th choice behind those two, podolski amd Giroud.

What happens to theo then? Given he wouldn't sign a new deal until he got told he would be a striker (and his 100k) will he start looming for a move given wenger has just gone out and signed more strikers, does he stay on the wing? It's an interesting one
if we get rooney :lol: come on, wake up.

what happens to theo? he stays first choice out on the right.

podolski will continue to stay out wide.

[Joker]

if we get rooney :lol: come on, wake up.

what happens to theo? he stays first choice out on the right.

podolski will continue to stay out wide.

Agreed, Theo will be first choice next season no matter how much some people want him to be sold.

[GP]

Who wants him to be sold?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Who wants him to be sold?

This. I didn't say sell him, I was pointing out he wanted to be played a striker before signing his contract, wenger says fine then seems to go and sign strikers. What would theo make of that was my point

[Niall_Quinn]

Agreed, Theo will be first choice next season no matter how much some people want him to be sold.

People want him to be professional, not sold.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

i want him to be sold.

and killed.

then reincarnated as kanu :bow:

[selassie]

He's also the worst finisher in our team by a country mile, and that's the problem with Theo Walcott. He's a part time player at best.

NQ, what does Theo have on you? Seriously?....;)

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ, what does Theo have on you? Seriously?....;)





It's a fact. Either Walnut will expertly tap in a finish or miss it so badly you can't believe he's a professional footballer. There's no in-between with him and not an ounce of consistency. Luxury player.

[Cripps_orig]

Tap ins :haha:

NQ, making shit up to suit his argument since 2011 :bow:

Never change, you being humiliated by Theo time and time again is a highlight in a GW season.

[Niall_Quinn]

Tap ins :haha:

NQ, making shit up to suit his argument since 2011 :bow:

Never change, you being humiliated by Theo time and time again is a highlight in a GW season.

Theo told me he took a restraining order out - is that true?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Strong twitter rumours going around tonight that theo head butted Arron Lennon when they were in Vegas.