Wenger Referendum IV

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger won't walk no matter what, he's taken this bold stance to get Stan Kroenke on side with him because he doesn't want any changes. But if Kroenke sided with the board, he would accept the changes because leaving the club would just be totally unacceptable to him.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Journos are all going mad speculating. Apparently they know what is going to happen. Either they are taking a punt, egg never seems to stick to their two faces anyway, or there's behind the scenes briefing going on. General consensus seems to be Wenger will stay provided he gets his way over everything and his control is not diminished in any way. Sounds like the board is going to cave and try to save some face by "demanding" Wenger spends some money in the window. Only at Arsenal, the owners demanding the manager spends money. Apparently, according to the either made up or leaked press stories, Wenger will be "instructed" to get the transfer deals done quickly and efficiently so we aren't scrambling at the tail end of the window. Not exactly a smack down.

Big shame that Wenger didn't announce he was off in advance of the cup final. He would have got a memorable send off from 99% of the fans. Instead we remain in the dark. Not just about Wenger's position but also Alexis, Ozil, Ox and the increasing talk of Monreal heading out the door, which would be a shame considering he's one of our most reliable players.
I think you're under the impression that all of us fans somehow matter? :shrug:

[Gooner23]

I reckon he'll stay, and it will all get very messy next season when the goodwill generated from the cup final wears off and we see the same shambolic league campaign we're now accustomed to.

By the sounds of it the board don't have a say in this. It's a decison between Wenger and Kroenke.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Wenger has made it all about him, he doesn't want the changes because he will lose all his power. Megalomaniac tbh.

If he does stay then he won't get one ounce of support from me, not one jot.
The next two years could turn very nasty if he does.

[Letters]

I would love to know what's gone on behind the scenes this season. It seemed at times he'd "lost the dressing room" but it was a strong end to the season and a great performance on Saturday.
Maybe (and obviously I'm making this up) the players wanted to go to 3 at the back, Wenger, stubborn as ever, refused to change things and only when he made the change did the players start playing again.
Looking forward to Wenger's inevitable book about it all when he does finally go, would be interesting to read his take on things, stuff he can't say in public now.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I would love to know what's gone on behind the scenes this season. It seemed at times he'd "lost the dressing room" but it was a strong end to the season and a great performance on Saturday.
Maybe (and obviously I'm making this up) the players wanted to go to 3 at the back, Wenger, stubborn as ever, refused to change things and only when he made the change did the players start playing again.
Looking forward to Wenger's inevitable book about it all when he does finally go, would be interesting to read his take on things, stuff he can't say in public now.
I would say that the first part is very likely, but the second part is not as Wenger would never admit that he was wrong.

[Marc Overmars]

Tuchel has left Dortmund...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I would love to know what's gone on behind the scenes this season. It seemed at times he'd "lost the dressing room" but it was a strong end to the season and a great performance on Saturday.
Maybe (and obviously I'm making this up) the players wanted to go to 3 at the back, Wenger, stubborn as ever, refused to change things and only when he made the change did the players start playing again.
Looking forward to Wenger's inevitable book about it all when he does finally go, would be interesting to read his take on things, stuff he can't say in public now.

I don't think that book is ever going to happen. And it's hardly going to tell you anything, will be very self serving.

Pat Rice or Steve Bould? They might have something to say

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Tuchel has left Dortmund...

Been disappointed by him in all honesty.

[Letters]

I don't think that book is ever going to happen. And it's hardly going to tell you anything, will be very self serving.

Pat Rice or Steve Bould? They might have something to say

Everyone is going to write from their own perspective though and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle so a few different perspectives would be interesting.

[Power n Glory]

Tuchel has left Dortmund...

He's been sacked from the sounds of it. I wouldn't want him here. 3rd in the league and well out of the title race with Redbull above him. It's pretty underwhelming. I wouldn't trust him at Arsenal.

[Power n Glory]

Everyone is going to write from their own perspective though and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle so a few different perspectives would be interesting.

Like Adams? That was well received.

[Niall_Quinn]

Tuchel has left Dortmund...

Headline reads, "Borussia Dortmund fire boss Tuchel just TWO DAYS after he guided them to German Cup triumph."

After today's meeting, could we see, "Arsenal fire boss Wenger just THREE DAYS after he guided them to FA Cup triumph."

More likely, "Wenger fires board, just ONE MINUTE into crisis meeting."

[Gooner23]

BBC now running with headline that he's signed another 2 years. Fuck. Selfish old man.

[Letters]

Bloody hell, he has too :lol:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40073103

Wenger :bow:

:shrug:

[Ralpheroo72]

2 more years underachieving! This club is the absolute pits. Wake me up when Kroenke fucks off.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Absolutely disgusting

We know now that the board and Gazidis are totally powerless

This two year extension has been agreed between Kroenke and Wenger with no consultation elsewhere

[Özim]

Not a surprise at all, this was decided months ago and everyone knows it, he's untouchable, biggest kick in the teeth for the fans, just shows they really don't care probably had a nice laugh at their expense.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What looks like has happened to me is that there was a board meeting on Tuesday to discuss his future, and Wenger has gone directly to Kroenke instead.

[Power n Glory]

What bullshit. If confirmed and there is no mention of this being his final contract, I'm switching off.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger and club owner Stan Kroenke met on Monday to determine the Frenchman's future, with the decision relayed to directors at a Tuesday board meeting.

So the cardboard cutouts have been cut out. Surely Ivan has to leave now? Wenger was always unofficially his boss's boss, but this makes it official.

At least we can finally dispel that silly shit Wenger has been putting around about him loving the club/ Yeah sure, he loves it like a prized possession. But loving it in terms of doing what's best for it? Noooooooo. That myth is dead now.

Selfish, arrogant, deluded old man.

But it was all engineered a long time ago. In truth, without even the hint of a replacement being lined up, and at this late stage, there was only one option for the job - Wenger himself. I assume Wenger now gets his way over everything and all that silly talk about cutting his total domination from 100% to 99.9999999992% can be disregarded?

Oh well. Roll on.

What's next?

Some bargain bucket shopping in the lower French leagues.

[Marc Overmars]

Very selfish - as expected.

Here's to another 2 years of underachievement, embarrassing defeats, collapses, baffling tactical decisions, wasted transfer money and civil war between the fans.

This club is stale as fuck and once again it has passed up the opportunity to do something about it. Completely set in their ways no matter what happens on the pitch every season, but then again what happens on the pitch is not really the main focus is it?

Can't help but resent Wenger for all of this, such a shame he's turned out to be a bit of a cunt after all the backing and patience he received during the seasons after the stadium move.

I live in hope that I'm proven wrong but oh well, I'm done with club for the foreseeable future. :wave:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So the cardboard cutouts have been cut out. Surely Ivan has to leave now? Wenger was always unofficially his boss's boss, but this makes it official.

At least we can finally dispel that silly shit Wenger has been putting around about him loving the club/ Yeah sure, he loves it like a prized possession. But loving it in terms of doing what's best for it? Noooooooo. That myth is dead now.

Selfish, arrogant, deluded old man.

But it was all engineered a long time ago. In truth, without even the hint of a replacement being lined up, and at this late stage, there was only one option for the job - Wenger himself. I assume Wenger now gets his way over everything and all that silly talk about cutting his total domination from 100% to 99.9999999992% can be disregarded?

Oh well. Roll on.

What's next?

Some bargain bucket shopping in the lower French leagues.

What I find most contemptible is how he chose to go directly to the majority shareholder so that he didn't have to accept any change.

I agree with you, he is utterly despicable and selfish

And yes if Gazidis stays silent he will show himself for the paper tiger he is.

[fakeyank]

Very selfish - as expected.

Here's to another 2 years of underachievement, embarrassing defeats, collapses, baffling tactical decisions, wasted transfer money and civil war between the fans.

This club is stale as fuck and once again it has passed up the opportunity to do something about it. Completely set in their ways no matter what happens on the pitch every season, but then again what happens on the pitch is not really the main focus is it?

Can't help but resent Wenger for all of this, such a shame he's turned out to be a bit of a cunt after all the backing and patience he received during the seasons after the stadium move.

I live in hope that I'm proven wrong but oh well, I'm done with club for the foreseeable future. :wave:

Me too. Peace. :wave:

[Gooner23]

It's no coincidence this comes so soon after the FA Cup win, I reckons it's been agreed for ages they were just waiting for the right time to announce it. Completely ignoring the ground hog nature of our league and Europe results. Shameless stuff from a selfish old man and an unambitious owner.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's no coincidence this comes so soon after the FA Cup win, I reckons it's been agreed for ages they were just waiting for the right time to announce it. Completely ignoring the ground hog nature of our league and Europe results. Shameless stuff from a selfish old man and an unambitious owner.

I think had we lost the FA cup he'd have had to actually sit down with the board to discuss his future

[The Dismantler]

Me too. Peace. :wave:


Go and support Chelsea :wave:

[Power n Glory]

What I find most contemptible is how he chose to go directly to the majority shareholder so that he didn't have to accept any change.

I agree with you, he is utterly despicable and selfish

And yes if Gazidis stays silent he will show himself for the paper tiger he is.

It says a lot that he went directly to Stan. Very selfish.

[Marc Overmars]

Go and support Chelsea :wave:

Strange thing to say. Prime example of why there has been and will continue to be a civil war.

[Letters]

Strange thing to say. Prime example of why there has been and will continue to be a civil war.

There's a civil war because only extremes of opinions are allowed. It has become so polarizing. And you can blame Wenger for that if you want but he's not telling us to fight amongst ourselves.
I wish he'd gone on a relative high. As we all suspected, he hasn't. The only options now really are to get behind the team (if not Wenger) next season or just tune out from it all.

[AFC Leveller]

Wenger is shameful for not walking away, he has a massive opportunity to walk now with his head held high and a trophy to boot. Instead, he cant help himself, he craves the total control and power he has and he is staying despite the majority of the fans wanting him gone. He said himself that he cant understand why fans have been disrespectful to him and that the players were playing in a difficult environment seemingly forgetting that its him that caused all the negative vibes and in fighting.

Going to the owner directly speaks volumes about him, he is a selfish old goat who doesnt care about anyone else except himself.

[Power n Glory]

Just say he's a selfish old cunt. Take the gloves off.

[Niall_Quinn]

There's a civil war because only extremes of opinions are allowed. It has become so polarizing. And you can blame Wenger for that if you want but he's not telling us to fight amongst ourselves.
I wish he'd gone on a relative high. As we all suspected, he hasn't. The only options now really are to get behind the team (if not Wenger) next season or just tune out from it all.

There's the other option you haven't mentioned. Making Wenger's life a living hell at every match until even he decides to fuck off. Like normal fans would do at any other club, for example.

Only reason I'll probably tune out is because the football, and particularly Wenger's horrendous tippy tap ball, bores me to tears. If the football was still okay that would at least be something. The vast majority of fans have always stood behind the team. The idea they haven't is another myth used by Wenger to deflect from the reality.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There's a civil war because only extremes of opinions are allowed. It has become so polarizing. And you can blame Wenger for that if you want but he's not telling us to fight amongst ourselves.
I wish he'd gone on a relative high. As we all suspected, he hasn't. The only options now really are to get behind the team (if not Wenger) next season or just tune out from it all.

He totally is responsible for it, the guy has shown the fan base utter contempt in the way he went about getting a contract extension for himself.

The longer he goes on, what then becomes extreme about wanting him to be sacked? Not just hoping he goes but wanting him to be sacked.

[Letters]

I personally think staying away would be more effective than making Wenger Our banners and paying a lot of money to wave them in the ground.
For one thing it's a bit more dignified and it hurts board in the only area they have any feeling, the pocket. While Wenger continues to be a cash cow then have no reason to want to unseat him.

[GP]

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[Gooner23]

This decison was about what's best for Arsene Wenger and Stan Kroenke, not Arsenal football club. It really is shameful stuff.

The worst bit for me is that when next season turns really ugly, which inevitably it will, our club will become a laughing stock to other fans. He thinks what's happened in the ground this season has been a disgrace, but that's just the beginning.

I'll be one of the ones switching off though.

[Niall_Quinn]

Staying away plays right into their hands. They have plenty of tourist fans lined up, I'm sure. The type of fan they'd prefer anyway. Fans with zero expectation beyond having a nice day out at a major London venue. Selfies and Snapchat all the way. Look at me ma! The 4th Place Crew.

If fans really want to hurt Kroenke and his little empire then target the sponsors. Under no circumstances whatsoever buy anything from any organisation associated with Arsenal. Until Wenger leaves. And turn up to the ground, fuck the banners and start vocally expressing dissent in terms that will make Sky TV turn down the microphones and apologise profusely. Make it so they don't dare televise a game.

Difficult to achieve, given the number of plastics that have infected the fan base. One thing you don't want to do though is invite more plastics in the door.

As I said, if the football was in any way watchable it might be worth it. But it seems these bastards have thought of everything.

[Letters]

Tbh both solutions require more coordinated effort than is realistic.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes, I think it is probably best not to try at all and just accept things as they have been handed down. The masters know what's best and they have our best interests at heart. If you don't try, you can't fail.

For me though, Cambridge Town is down the road. I might give it a season with those pubbers to try to reconnect to football at a less corrupt level. Arsenal I'm not interested in as of today. It was getting that way for a long time anyway. Wenger's personal fiefdom is not something that appeals and the thought of two more years of this (at least, and I bet it will be longer) holds zero appeal. If I was still going to the games though, I wouldn't be sitting on my hands. People will have t make their own decisions, but for those who intend to stay on it serves them in no way whatsoever to be passive about this.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I stayed away this season for the first time in 27 years. I'll continue staying away.

I feel sick at the contempt with which the 'Club' treats its fans. There has been a lot of contempt and disrespect, but it hasn't come from the fans.

Wenger and Kroenke can go fuck themselves, the greedy whore cunts.

[Özim]

As expected nothing is going to change at this club, I've seen comments in places that some people have been convinced by the last couple of months he can still do it after a few wins and the FA Cup win, that end of season run bought him some grace and allowed him to sign that contract without too much bother.

This club is a shadow of what it once was, offering little or no entertainment, no excitement and no hope for change, but clearly it doesn't care one bit. At the end of the day Wenger and his cronies have made the club what it is today and that's nothing to be proud of, his comments about it being the treatment he received being a disgrace was just embarrassing because he's the biggest disgrace at this club, a man who really only cares about number 1.

Might as well rename this club Arsene Wenger because it pretty much sums it up, he's become bigger than the club.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yes, I think it is probably best not to try at all and just accept things as they have been handed down. The masters know what's best and they have our best interests at heart. If you don't try, you can't fail.

For me though, Cambridge Town is down the road. I might give it a season with those pubbers to try to reconnect to football at a less corrupt level. Arsenal I'm not interested in as of today. It was getting that way for a long time anyway. Wenger's personal fiefdom is not something that appeals and the thought of two more years of this (at least, and I bet it will be longer) holds zero appeal. If I was still going to the games though, I wouldn't be sitting on my hands. People will have t make their own decisions, but for those who intend to stay on it serves them in no way whatsoever to be passive about this.

You devious twat, when you mentioned a while back you were in down in London mingling amongst human beings I guessed you might be from in and around Cambridgeshire and you said I was wrong (although you were probably pissed)

Frankly I think if we no longer invest in Arsenal through merchandise or tickets of any kind, than they might be fucked. The Johnny foreigners like supoorting successful teams, and I think there is only so many match tickets you can flog to selfie taking tourists.

So I absolutely would encourage everyone not to renew season tickets. Even if it changes nothing, fuck it why are you forking over money to this shit show.

[Power n Glory]

Staying away plays right into their hands. They have plenty of tourist fans lined up, I'm sure. The type of fan they'd prefer anyway. Fans with zero expectation beyond having a nice day out at a major London venue. Selfies and Snapchat all the way. Look at me ma! The 4th Place Crew.

If fans really want to hurt Kroenke and his little empire then target the sponsors. Under no circumstances whatsoever buy anything from any organisation associated with Arsenal. Until Wenger leaves. And turn up to the ground, fuck the banners and start vocally expressing dissent in terms that will make Sky TV turn down the microphones and apologise profusely. Make it so they don't dare televise a game.

Difficult to achieve, given the number of plastics that have infected the fan base. One thing you don't want to do though is invite more plastics in the door.

As I said, if the football was in any way watchable it might be worth it. But it seems these bastards have thought of everything.

That's not true anymore. There aren’t that many tourist Arsenal fans to keep making up the numbers every game of the season. Any casuals that just want to see a game in a massive stadium can find cheaper tickets elsewhere around London.

It would be best if fans could stay away from games and not buy the merchandise. Kroenke may still fire Wenger fresh into a new deal if his pockets bleed enough cash. It happened with the LA Rams long underperforming coach, Jeff Fisher. The problem had to stare Kroenke dead in the face. He thought St. Louis was a struggling city that couldn’t afford to support three major sport teams. So he moved the Rams to LA. No excuses can made in LA about a struggling city. Fans have the money to attend games. So when he sees their still struggling to fill the stadium in LA, it’s obvious it’s a sporting problem and he sacks the head coach.

The only way failure will translate to Stan is if the stadium is empty. He’s a real estate guy. Sponsorships not the bread and butter for him. He bought us when we had shite sponsorship deals but had just moved into a new stadium and able to pay off our debt just off the revenue generated from ticket sales. As long the stadiums full, failure won’t translate.

[Niall_Quinn]

Nope, not Cambridgeshire.

When I started following footie it was all about match day, which was always Saturday and always 3PM. Kickabout. Pub. Match. Pub. Fail to score. Vomit. Hangover. Fucking work, counting down to the next match. Then everything got complicated, expensive, fucked over by Sky TV. So maybe I'll rewind. A season ticket for myself and my son will be around 350 notes a year at Cambridge. Probably can't get away with the pub or the vomiting, but maybe McDonalds and a match on a Saturday might be a good remedy to this Arsenal bullshit. Shitty quality is always easier to take when you are on the scene rather than watching on the box.

[Letters]

And actually, when there was a concerted effort to stay away for the Sunderland game you could see the difference it made.
There are tourist fans but enough to fill a 60,000 seat stadium every other week? Unlikely.
The vast majority of people who go are season ticket holders. They have the collective power to see the ground almost empty for most of next season.

[Letters]

There are what, 40,000 season ticket holders?
What's the average price of a season ticket, about £1000? I was paying more than that and when you factor in club level it's probably more.
So that's at least £40,000,000 we could deny them. Add in drinks and food in the ground and shirts and other stuff then you could probably double that.
£80m is a big enough hole in even Arsenal's budget to make them sit up and take some notice.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Nope, not Cambridgeshire.

When I started following footie it was all about match day, which was always Saturday and always 3PM. Kickabout. Pub. Match. Pub. Fail to score. Vomit. Hangover. Fucking work, counting down to the next match. Then everything got complicated, expensive, fucked over by Sky TV. So maybe I'll rewind. A season ticket for myself and my son will be around 350 notes a year at Cambridge. Probably can't get away with the pub or the vomiting, but maybe McDonalds and a match on a Saturday might be a good remedy to this Arsenal bullshit. Shitty quality is always easier to take when you are on the scene rather than watching on the box.

I didn't mind televised football when it was terrestrial, like you had the Big Match and then The Match (with Elton Wellsely) showing matches you could watch with your Sunday dinner.

[Letters]

I didn't mind televised football when it was terrestrial, like you had the Big Match and then The Match (with Elton Wellsely) showing matches you could watch with your Sunday dinner.

I remember him being sniffiy about our title chances in 90/91 and then as it became clearer we were going to do it the crowd at Highbury singing

"We're gonna win the league.
We're gonna win the league.
And Elton's gonna believe us
And Elton's gonna believe us
We're gonna win the league."

I remember the peanut seller who always customized his patter depending on the occasion. One one UEFA Cup night "Peanuts! Get yer European peanuts!" and when we were on a particularly bad run "Peanuts! Get yer Relegation peanuts!"

:lol:

We were happier back then. #nostalgia

[Niall_Quinn]

Missed all that. I used to go up to London on the coach and that was a tight operation. Always arrived just in time, and if you didn't shift your arse out of the stadium at the end you were walking home. Then the stupid "no beers on the bus" rule that everyone paid strict attention to, of course.

[Niall_Quinn]

LOL - this is starting to sound like a wake.

It probably is.

[Letters]

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/05/30/arsene-wenger-vows-to-regain-4th-place-trophy-after-signing-new-contract/

Wenger :bow:
Top 4 trophy is coming home next year
:dance:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

LOL - this is starting to sound like a wake.

It probably is.

Fuck it, wakes are always fun

Even more fun when you don't like the person who dies

[AFC Leveller]

According to Sky, the director of football will either be working above wenger, alongside him or wenger himself will fill the role LOL

[Letters]

Someone working above Wenger :lol: That will work well.

[Niall_Quinn]

According to Sky, the director of football will either be working above wenger, alongside him or wenger himself will fill the role LOL

LOL. I pity the poor eunuch who lands that role. You'd have to be a total fool to take it, especially having just watched Wenger run to Kroneke.

[Marc Overmars]

Fill the role himself? :lol:
So just carrying on as normal then.

[Niall_Quinn]

So come on. Now that this is done and dusted - and what a shocker - who are the Secret 7? Fess up. I assume at least half were joking, but there must be somebody out there who was serious and believes Wenger staying on for another 2 years (AT LEAST - OMG!) is a good thing. Would be genuinely amazedinterested to hear the reasoning.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fill the role himself? :lol:
So just carrying on as normal then.

I doubt even Arsenal would dare. It'd make the club a bigger laughing stock than it already is.

[rodders]

Clearly neither Kroenke or Wenger care about the club or its supporters only about their own self interest. In any other club Wenger would have been long gone.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I'm sorry to say that next season Wenger & Kroenke deserve all the abuse and nasty vitriol directed at them from the stands at every match. We should show them the same contempt they have shown us.

If he thinks this season has been bad then wait until it actually turns nasty!

[Niall_Quinn]

http://le-grove.co.uk/2017/05/30/contract-d-day-its-wenger-out-all-the-way-for-me/

[Letters]

I'm sorry to say that next season Wenger & Kroenke deserve all the abuse and nasty vitriol directed at them from the stands at every match. We should show them the same contempt they have shown us.

If he thinks this season has been bad then wait until it actually turns nasty!

Really? Every match? Right from the start of the season? That seems a bit silly. Most of us don't want Wenger to be our manager, but he is.
IMO a sensible form of protest would be to withdraw your custom, stop going to games or buying the shirts.
But if you are going to go then get behind the team - if not the manager - FFS.
Otherwise it's a bit like thinking Ospina shouldn't have been picked for the Cup Final (arguably true, but I can see why Wenger did) and so booing him at every opportunity. How is that going to help? We want the team to win, don't we?

[Marc Overmars]

I'm sure everything will be reset now for the start of next season. There's no point in flying planes, booing, bringing banners etc. He's here for 2 more years at least, they obviously won't sack him no matter how hostile it gets.

The team will always have my support but I'm appalled with the people in charge of this club. Not going to spend another penny on them for a long time.

All I can say for Wenger is that he better hope and pray he can turn it around over the next 2 years, because this season will seem very pleasant in comparison to what will inevitably come his way.

[Niall_Quinn]

Really? Every match? Right from the start of the season? That seems a bit silly. Most of us don't want Wenger to be our manager, but he is.
IMO a sensible form of protest would be to withdraw your custom, stop going to games or buying the shirts.
But if you are going to go then get behind the team - if not the manager - FFS.
Otherwise it's a bit like thinking Ospina shouldn't have been picked for the Cup Final (arguably true, but I can see why Wenger did) and so booing him at every opportunity. How is that going to help? We want the team to win, don't we?

Yet again, the "get behind the team" thing is a Wenger myth. The fans have always been behind the team. It's the decade long failure Wenger who they can't stand. It is quite possible to cheer the team on while jeering Wenger. 90 minutes is plenty of time to do both. And for those who reckon that would unsettle and disadvantage the players, perhaps. But nowhere near as much as that selfish bastard Wenger and his months long leaving or staying shite. Players have much bigger problems than the fans giving Wenger stick. They have to somehow drag results out of his incompetence.

[Özim]

I'm convinced he knew he was staying a long time ago, if you look at the fact noone was in the frame, the signings we're going for even before he signed and his smirk everytime he was asked the question, they were just waiting until the right moment, winning the cup provided exactly that, as did the mini run at the end of the season.

This club has no bottle when it comes to making things happen, they're opportunists that take adavantage of situations to soften the blows of those decisions.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

So come on. Now that this is done and dusted - and what a shocker - who are the Secret 7? Fess up. I assume at least half were joking, but there must be somebody out there who was serious and believes Wenger staying on for another 2 years (AT LEAST - OMG!) is a good thing. Would be genuinely amazedinterested to hear the reasoning.

I'm one of them.

WUMger. :bow:

Too good this old goat.

[AFC Leveller]

So the man is the very definition of untouchable. No amount of banners or abuse will drive him out of the club because he doesn't give a fuck about fan opinion.

2 more years of the same shit!!! How does this man deserve a new contract? Tel he worst thing is it looks like he agreed the new deal ages ago, which means whatever the outcome was for this season he was gonna stay.

[Power n Glory]

Now I'm wondering if he had lost the FA Cup final, would we have seen a different outcome.

[AFC Leveller]

So the man is the very definition of untouchable. No amount of banners or abuse will drive him out of the club because he doesn't give a fuck about fan opinion.

2 more years of the same shit!!! How does this man deserve a new contract? Tel he worst thing is it looks like he agreed the new deal ages ago, which means whatever the outcome was for this season he was gonna stay.

[selassie]

Let's play a little game, how will next season go? Don't all answer at once.

Sigh...two more years of the same old shit, can't wait.

[selassie]

So the man is the very definition of untouchable. No amount of banners or abuse will drive him out of the club because he doesn't give a fuck about fan opinion.

2 more years of the same shit!!! How does this man deserve a new contract? Tel he worst thing is it looks like he agreed the new deal ages ago, which means whatever the outcome was for this season he was gonna stay.

It's not just that, he's now deciding the role of a new appointment, it's not going to be a Director of Football because Arsene doesn't believe in that, it's going to be some technical director hybrid role, basically another Wenger Puppet, Dick Law is staying too, unbelievable stuff going on at the club, scary.

[Xhaka Can’t]

That's not true anymore. There aren’t that many tourist Arsenal fans to keep making up the numbers every game of the season. Any casuals that just want to see a game in a massive stadium can find cheaper tickets elsewhere around London.

It would be best if fans could stay away from games and not buy the merchandise. Kroenke may still fire Wenger fresh into a new deal if his pockets bleed enough cash. It happened with the LA Rams long underperforming coach, Jeff Fisher. The problem had to stare Kroenke dead in the face. He thought St. Louis was a struggling city that couldn’t afford to support three major sport teams. So he moved the Rams to LA. No excuses can made in LA about a struggling city. Fans have the money to attend games. So when he sees their still struggling to fill the stadium in LA, it’s obvious it’s a sporting problem and he sacks the head coach.

The only way failure will translate to Stan is if the stadium is empty. He’s a real estate guy. Sponsorships not the bread and butter for him. He bought us when we had shite sponsorship deals but had just moved into a new stadium and able to pay off our debt just off the revenue generated from ticket sales. As long the stadiums full, failure won’t translate.

Slightly off track here, but L.A. has been a graveyard for NFL franchises. For some reason, it just doesn't work there.

Also, Wenger and Kroenke can fuck off.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Now I'm wondering if he had lost the FA Cup final, would we have seen a different outcome.

We all know the answer to that.

[Marc Overmars]

Now I'm wondering if he had lost the FA Cup final, would we have seen a different outcome.

Possibly.

We know Kroenke doesn't understand the game, it wouldn't surprise me if he thinks winning the FA Cup is as prestigious as a league or CL title. Had he sat there and witnessed misery instead of glory he may have thought differently. We'll never know of course. Though it's entirely likely he never once thought about changing the manager regardless of what happened this season.

Just so galling to know for sure now what a spineless and unambitious bunch are running our club.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Really? Every match? Right from the start of the season? That seems a bit silly. Most of us don't want Wenger to be our manager, but he is.
IMO a sensible form of protest would be to withdraw your custom, stop going to games or buying the shirts.
But if you are going to go then get behind the team - if not the manager - FFS.
Otherwise it's a bit like thinking Ospina shouldn't have been picked for the Cup Final (arguably true, but I can see why Wenger did) and so booing him at every opportunity. How is that going to help? We want the team to win, don't we?
Yes, every match and right from the start.

It's no less than him and the spineless board of stuck up, ignorant, twats deserve.

I've spent 8 years getting behind the team and not directing much at the man responsible.
Well guess what, I've had enough.

I support the team no matter what but I will not support that arsehole with anything.

He doesn't give a fuck about me or any other fan, so I don't give a fuck about him.

He can fuck right off and I can't wait to shout it to him next season.

I'm so angry about this. I genuinely started to think that he might do the right thing and call it day, leave on a high. But no.

Selfish to the last. Ignorant, arrogant and deluded. Everyone else is wrong and he is right.
Blah, blah, blah.
Wanker, arsehole, bumbling idiot fuck face!!!!

Fucking fuming!!

Everything we ever said about him he has proven to be true!

Fucking cock ass!!!

[Marc Overmars]

You can't do it from the start, that really would be sabotaging the team and proving Wenger right about his contempt for the fans. Things were fine this year until the usual post-Christmas collapse, then it got ugly with good reason.

Those who still attend games will have to grin and bare it until the time is right to speak up again. I'm taking up an armchair role now because it's not worth my time and money anymore.

[KSE Comedy Club]

It's how I feel right now.

I'm sure I will calm down a bit nearer the time but right now he can kiss my arse.

[Niall_Quinn]

You can't do it from the start, that really would be sabotaging the team and proving Wenger right about his contempt for the fans. Things were fine this year until the usual post-Christmas collapse, then it got ugly with good reason.

Those who still attend games will have to grin and bare it until the time is right to speak up again. I'm taking up an armchair role now because it's not worth my time and money anymore.

I don't get that thinking. What's wrong with giving the team a rousing reception when they come onto the pitch and then do a chorus of "Fuck off Wenger you selfish cunt?" Every match. At the start and at the end regardless of the scoreline? In fact make a point of raising an extra cheer for the players, stick behind them through the good and the bad, but let Wenger have it full pelt every match. We all know the lying scumbag will carry on implying the fans are not behind the team, but the consistency of the unwavering support for the team and the unrelenting abuse for Wenger will unravel his lies and innuendos.

He's the "leader" who opts to hide behind his players. He'll always do the "get behind the team" routine as cover. Don't forget, this is the guy who is suggesting a decade of fuck-ups is down to fans complaining. Can anyone remember him once suggesting the buck stops with him?

[Marc Overmars]

It's easy to think that protests against Wenger and support for the team can be distinguished, but in practice it would only descend into a farce. Let's not forget the players were hammered this season as well.

The time will come again to fly the planes and boo the shit out of the arsehole, but let's just remember there is a half decent team there that needs backing too.

[Munchies]

RIP Arsenal

I barely watched games this season because it just felt like a drag and it's going to be the same as long as he's here. The board have proven themselves to be spineless cunts only bothered about the cash too

[KSE Comedy Club]

I wonder how the AST meeting will go? The survey they did showed pretty much unanimous support for Wenger stepping down.

I think they also wanted assurances about a director of football, transfers, etc too.

I know they have as much sway as the rest of the doddering old cunts on the board but hopefully, someone brings a big bag of dogshit to throw at Arsene & Ivan.

[Letters]

It's easy to think that protests against Wenger and support for the team can be distinguished, but in practice it would only descend into a farce. Let's not forget the players were hammered this season as well.

The time will come again to fly the planes and boo the shit out of the arsehole, but let's just remember there is a half decent team there that needs backing too.
That's how I see it. You can't really disentangle supporting the manager and the players. Especially if the players are behind him. And at times this year it's seemed like they weren't but if Sanchez does stay it will surely show he does have faith in Wenger and the reactions after the Cup Final looked like manager and players were a fairly tight unit.

[Xhaka Can’t]

RIP Arsenal

I barely watched games this season because it just felt like a drag and it's going to be the same as long as he's here. The board have proven themselves to be spineless cunts only bothered about the cash too

The Board were circumvented. Wenger dealt directly with Kroenke.

I don't know why Kroenke doesn't save himself a few more quid and just give every seat on the Board to Wenger.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I hate to say it but looks like the FA cup final was a real curse for us, a result we may be rueing for years

Wenger will have probably stayed but i don't think he will have been able to avoid a confrontation with the board to make him accept changes.

[Niall_Quinn]

The Great Reset is well underway for another season. We're already hearing the bold cries of, "You can't do that at the START of a season!". Some fans don't seem to get that if you keep behaving the same way then you'll get the same result. Meanwhile, Stan and Arsene make up the rules as they go. But you have the "real" fans out there, telling everyone what can and can't be done. These are the same "real" fans who break into chants of "One Arsene Wenger" when push comes to shove. Entitled to their opinion but, fuck them anyway. They are ruining this club.

[Özim]

Yeah the way I see it there's no reason no to demonstrate throughout the match, not the players fault but at the end of the day the owner and manager don't give a damn so why should the fans, it's not like we're going to be competing for anything decent anyway so why should we care?

Best way would be to have a emptyish stadium every match of course, but that just isn't going to happen realistically, so the only other method is to make your feelings clear, sure Wenger will blame the fans etc, but he already does when anything goes wrong and quite frankly who cares what he thinks, his opinions are borderline ridiculous anyway, noone takes him seriously these days, opposition fans want him to stay on so they can see us fail year on year

[Niall_Quinn]

I hate to say it but looks like the FA cup final was a real curse for us, a result we may be rueing for years

Wenger will have probably stayed but i don't think he will have been able to avoid a confrontation with the board to make him accept changes.

Everyone believes the FA cup win was the trigger for this sad announcement. But the cup final was also the final match of the season, and I think that's always when they intended to announce what had been decided all season. I think what has surprised our lords and masters is the fans sticking their noses in and raising their voices at the uncertainty a failure to announce Wenger's fate was causing. Wenger and the gang would have initially had no concept of mere pleb fans being interested in "our affairs", so I guess the "disrespectful" baying of the unwashed came as a surprise. We're supposed to cheer when the team wins and stay quiet when they lose. Just as the board cheers when Wenger has a plan and shuts the fuck up when he invariably doesn't. Wenger said as much - be more like spud fans. His cynical calls for fans to "get behind the team", when there wasn't a single banner or plane displaying "Time for the team to leave".

What we've been watching is disconnected individuals operating in their own little empire and being taken aback by the reaction of "ungrateful" fans who have had the temerity to comment on issues that they have no business mentioning. This has created the corrosive atmosphere poor Arsene has had to deal with. Oh, and the team that ran its bollocks off for a trophy but jogged through the season, well those poor lambs were affected too. So says their daddy, even if players like Bellerin have relayed an entirely different story.

When the voices of the grubby fans became intolerable, then we started hearing about directors of football and almost signing Mbappe and Arsene being personally aggrieved than plebs had found the audacity to question his years of mediocrity.

Off we go again. Round and around. A manager and board completely out of touch, a fanbase divided between those who can see 10-2 defeats and 18 point deficits for what they really are and the rest who believe it is impolite to scream when their anus is tearing.

[GP]

Covfefe

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Everyone believes the FA cup win was the trigger for this sad announcement. But the cup final was also the final match of the season, and I think that's always when they intended to announce what had been decided all season. I think what has surprised our lords and masters is the fans sticking their noses in and raising their voices at the uncertainty a failure to announce Wenger's fate was causing. Wenger and the gang would have initially had no concept of mere pleb fans being interested in "our affairs", so I guess the "disrespectful" baying of the unwashed came as a surprise. We're supposed to cheer when the team wins and stay quiet when they lose. Just as the board cheers when Wenger has a plan and shuts the fuck up when he invariably doesn't. Wenger said as much - be more like spud fans. His cynical calls for fans to "get behind the team", when there wasn't a single banner or plane displaying "Time for the team to leave".

What we've been watching is disconnected individuals operating in their own little empire and being taken aback by the reaction of "ungrateful" fans who have had the temerity to comment on issues that they have no business mentioning. This has created the corrosive atmosphere poor Arsene has had to deal with. Oh, and the team that ran its bollocks off for a trophy but jogged through the season, well those poor lambs were affected too. So says their daddy, even if players like Bellerin have relayed an entirely different story.

When the voices of the grubby fans became intolerable, then we started hearing about directors of football and almost signing Mbappe and Arsene being personally aggrieved than plebs had found the audacity to question his years of mediocrity.

Off we go again. Round and around. A manager and board completely out of touch, a fanbase divided between those who can see 10-2 defeats and 18 point deficits for what they really are and the rest who believe it is impolite to scream when their anus is tearing.

The announcement would have been made this week irregardless

But again, Wenger went over the boards head going directly to Kroenke

Do you think he'd have done that had Kroenke come and watched us getting spanked?

[Niall_Quinn]

The announcement would have been made this week irregardless

But again, Wenger went over the boards head going directly to Kroenke

Do you think he'd have done that had Kroenke come and watched us getting spanked?

Yeah, I do. I don't imagine Kroenke is at all bothered about what happens on the pitch. He's demonstrated this lack of interest in all his sporting ventures. He's into property, balance sheets and leverage. Wenger's the master accountant who makes the goose lay eggs. Kroenke's not turfing that in because a few thousand people are pissed off looking in from the outside. Was he in the least bit bothered about the vitriol coming out of St Louis? If you don't get sacked on the spot after being hammered for the second year running in the CL then why is an FA Cup loss significant? Tickets already sold, TV rights secured, merchandise banked - what does the result have to do with anything?

[GP]

http://i.imgur.com/OcP6ece.jpg

lmao

[Letters]

Best way would be to have a emptyish stadium every match of course, but that just isn't going to happen realistically, so the only other method is to make your feelings clear
Neither are realistic and as MO and I have said it's pretty much impossible to support the team and barrack the manager in the ground at the same time.
If people do the latter then the toxic atmosphere will help no-one and actually give Wenger more of an excuse for our failings.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://i.imgur.com/OcP6ece.jpg

lmao

Next we'll hear is the 25 year, quarter century talk. It's coming.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yeah, I do. I don't imagine Kroenke is at all bothered about what happens on the pitch. He's demonstrated this lack of interest in all his sporting ventures. He's into property, balance sheets and leverage. Wenger's the master accountant who makes the goose lay eggs. Kroenke's not turfing that in because a few thousand people are pissed off looking in from the outside. Was he in the least bit bothered about the vitriol coming out of St Louis? If you don't get sacked on the spot after being hammered for the second year running in the CL then why is an FA Cup loss significant? Tickets already sold, TV rights secured, merchandise banked - what does the result have to do with anything?

Because Kroenke cares about money, and seeing us getting spanked would make him fearful of losing it especially as people would be even less likely to renew season tickets and the list of people on the waiting list is more exhaustive than is made out.
Defeat in the FA cup would have forced him into concessions, I agree there was no way Wenger would have gone.

[Niall_Quinn]

Neither are realistic and as MO and I have said it's pretty much impossible to support the team and barrack the manager in the ground at the same time.
If people do the latter then the toxic atmosphere will help no-one and actually give Wenger more of an excuse for our failings.

So you buy into Wenger's bullshit that a few polite (massively over polite) banners held up in a stadium, or a plane flying overhead, make it impossible to support the team? Didn't a plane fly over Wembley for the semis? And didn't the fans all cheer the team to a victory? Seems to me there's easily obtainable evidence and, in fact, common sense that suggests your assertion is entirely unfounded.

The first game of the coming season is the very best venue for large protests. To show the owner and the board the fans aren't amused by their latest sabotage. To show our hapless manager that another shit show like last year's opener (which cost us a CL spot btw) won't be tolerated. To most likely force Wenger's hand in the last days of the transfer window if we assume he's dithered until that point. Lots of important reasons to protest loudly at the first game. Show these bastards their coup is not without cost.

If Wenger demands his lovey atmosphere that he envelops his players in extends to the whole place, fans included, then he'd best work on loving us a bit more, rather than blaming us for his fuck ups.

[Power n Glory]

Slightly off track here, but L.A. has been a graveyard for NFL franchises. For some reason, it just doesn't work there.

Also, Wenger and Kroenke can fuck off.

Is that because they've had bad teams or are they just not interested in the NFL? But it goes back to my point about Kroenke being a numbers and real estate guy. His decision to move to LA was probably based on how deep the city's pockets were instead of deep running American Football history. I guess after seeing the low attendance for the Rams, he figured he really needs a successful winning team to put bums on seats.

[Niall_Quinn]

Because Kroenke cares about money, and seeing us getting spanked would make him fearful of losing it especially as people would be even less likely to renew season tickets and the list of people on the waiting list is more exhaustive than is made out.
Defeat in the FA cup would have forced him into concessions, I agree there was no way Wenger would have gone.

Cosmetic concessions perhaps. But how do you see a director of football working at Arsenal? Wenger has already decreed how that's going to pan out. Would you want to be the bloke that's hired for a role Lord Wenger proclaims doesn't exist? Cup win certainly took some heat away, no doubt. But I think we're a long way from the sort of temperatures Kroenke is prepared to endure. St Louis didn't make him sweat and that was pretty vicious. These guys develop sure things on paper and then put plans into action and go to bank. They don't give a fuck who is affected in the process. 2019/20 is the year to watch. I'll predict it now. Wenger will be getting his new contract and the Euro mobsters will have made giant strides to locking in the "elite" teams in their money league. That's why Kroenke won't take a billion and walk and that's why he wants Wenger here doing what Wenger does. Football is the theatre that distracts from the real business.

[Letters]

So you buy into Wenger's bullshit that a few polite (massively over polite) banners held up in a stadium, or a plane flying overhead, make it impossible to support the team?
No, I didn't say that. But you've been talking about creating a really toxic atmosphere in the ground. You may intend that to only target the manager and not the players but I don't see how that is possible.

[Niall_Quinn]

No, I didn't say that. But you've been talking about creating a really toxic atmosphere in the ground. You may intend that to only target the manager and not the players but I don't see how that is possible.

At the start of the game you lay into Wenger big time. And Kroenke. During the game you give the team 100% support. At the end of the game, regardless of the result, you lay into Wenger and Kroenke. And you do it every game, regardless of the result. That's how I'd do it anyway. If it was even worth turning up. But it isn't. Far too expensive for the shit Wenger serves up.

In reality, nothing will happen. This will all just drift on.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Cosmetic concessions perhaps. But how do you see a director of football working at Arsenal? Wenger has already decreed how that's going to pan out. Would you want to be the bloke that's hired for a role Lord Wenger proclaims doesn't exist? Cup win certainly took some heat away, no doubt. But I think we're a long way from the sort of temperatures Kroenke is prepared to endure. St Louis didn't make him sweat and that was pretty vicious. These guys develop sure things on paper and then put plans into action and go to bank. They don't give a fuck who is affected in the process. 2019/20 is the year to watch. I'll predict it now. Wenger will be getting his new contract and the Euro mobsters will have made giant strides to locking in the "elite" teams in their money league. That's why Kroenke won't take a billion and walk and that's why he wants Wenger here doing what Wenger does. Football is the theatre that distracts from the real business.

I don't know precisely how the NFL is funded, but the decision to move from St Louis was based on poor attendances which presumably they felt would be rectified by taking the franchise back to Los Angeles.
Arsenal's profits are two fold, one is gate receipts and the other is tv money.
I don't think Kroenke will like even a short term loss when you consider what he is paying out for, in terms of building a new stadium in Compton.
If there is significantly less up take on season tickets and the results are shit, this idea that Kroenke is Wengers mate will soon dissolve. Kroenkes mates include George Washington and Benjamin Franklin.
People who don't want this man at the club should stay away, for all this talk about it not necessarily being his last contract he could still find himself sacked.

[Letters]

That could work but it's the 100% support during the game which I'm not so sure has been happening.
I've not been in the ground this year so maybe it's better than I imagine but at times I think the frustrations have boiled over during the game and that helps no-one.
It's like that time when someone...was it Eboue? Anyway, he was having a shocker and people started booing him during the game. During it! While he was on the pitch. It just made him more nervy, more prone to mistakes.
I don't like that kind of thing.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't know precisely how the NFL is funded, but the decision to move from St Louis was based on poor attendances which presumably they felt would be rectified by taking the franchise back to Los Angeles.
Arsenal's profits are two fold, one is gate receipts and the other is tv money.
I don't think Kroenke will like even a short term loss when you consider what he is paying out for, in terms of building a new stadium in Compton.
If there is significantly less up take on season tickets and the results are shit, this idea that Kroenke is Wengers mate will soon dissolve. Kroenkes mates include George Washington and Benjamin Franklin.
People who don't want this man at the club should stay away, for all this talk about it not necessarily being his last contract he could still find himself sacked.

Stan and Ali have this all stitched up. Club just landed in position 6 on the global rich list, valued at 1.7bill. Share price is untouchable. Man Utd just hit the top spot - 3bill. And that's during the carnage of the early post-Ferguson period. These clubs are moving away from what happens of the pitch and who turns up at the stadium. Some of the VR technologies being trialled now will make it possible for millions of fans to attend the match without leaving their armchairs. The old football is dead, the new corporate-ball is thriving and that's the only reason a failing manager like Wenger can hang on to his job. What does this 2 year contract really tell you about Arsenal? What does it tell you about our priorities? When you think of modern Arsenal, think of Amazon.com. They don't even need to make profits to dominate the marketplace and, in turn, set the course for that market. Kroenke's in the right place at the right time and that won't be by accident. He's won this and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. That's the sad truth of it. I think if fans want to stay away because they have lost interest in something that has had 90% of the passion sucked out of it then that's understandable. I also think if fans, in their frustration, want to pay to get into the stadium and scream abuse at these rapists then that's fine and understandable too. But none of it will make any difference in the end. The field is ripe, the locust swarm is here. When they have devoured everything they will leave and then I guess somebody will need to sow some grass and paint a few lines and start again.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That could work but it's the 100% support during the game which I'm not so sure has been happening.
I've not been in the ground this year so maybe it's better than I imagine but at times I think the frustrations have boiled over during the game and that helps no-one.
It's like that time when someone...was it Eboue? Anyway, he was having a shocker and people started booing him during the game. During it! While he was on the pitch. It just made him more nervy, more prone to mistakes.
I don't like that kind of thing.

With the greatest of respect I doubt anyone gives a fuck what you like.

In Spain and Italy, or even Turkey where Eboue went that kind of thing is commonplace

That kind of scrutiny is the flip side of earning an obscene salary, in many ways off the back of gate receipts

If you can't hack it, find something else to do. That's the crucible where you burn away the wastrels and leave behind only the best.

If you're a player don't whinge about it, either improve your showing or move on.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Stan and Ali have this all stitched up. Club just landed in position 6 on the global rich list, valued at 1.7bill. Share price is untouchable. Man Utd just hit the top spot - 3bill. And that's during the carnage of the early post-Ferguson period. These clubs are moving away from what happens of the pitch and who turns up at the stadium. Some of the VR technologies being trialled now will make it possible for millions of fans to attend the match without leaving their armchairs. The old football is dead, the new corporate-ball is thriving and that's the only reason a failing manager like Wenger can hang on to his job. What does this 2 year contract really tell you about Arsenal? What does it tell you about our priorities? When you think of modern Arsenal, think of Amazon.com. They don't even need to make profits to dominate the marketplace and, in turn, set the course for that market. Kroenke's in the right place at the right time and that won't be by accident. He's won this and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. That's the sad truth of it. I think if fans want to stay away because they have lost interest in something that has had 90% of the passion sucked out of it then that's understandable. I also think if fans, in their frustration, want to pay to get into the stadium and scream abuse at these rapists then that's fine and understandable too. But none of it will make any difference in the end. The field is ripe, the locust swarm is here. When they have devoured everything they will leave and then I guess somebody will need to sow some grass and paint a few lines and start again.

So if a club loses a significant share of its revenue it won't affect the share value?

That's what I'm reading. Whether we like Wenger or not, the share value has been based on high takers for season tickets and Wengers previously proven ability to get us in the top four. Remove this and you are removing a supoorting column.

[Niall_Quinn]

So if a club loses a significant share of its revenue it won't affect the share value?

That's what I'm reading. Whether we like Wenger or not, the share value has been based on high takers for season tickets and Wengers previously proven ability to get us in the top four. Remove this and you are removing a supoorting column.

But they only have to last a few short years and then gate receipts will be pocket money. Or else they'll be able to purge the middle and working classes entirely and turn the stadium event into Hollywood. I agree, it would be somewhat damaging right now if somehow the fans all opted to stay away. But the very nature of the fanbase today makes that unachievable. It was tried. A one off, meaningless game against Sunderland. Estimates were 10-20K stayed away and even then the club banked the cash. This would have to be mass failure to renew season tickets. I assume that would be big news if it was happening. Way I see it, there's still a waiting list. Difference between fans and the owners is we're short term and they are long term. They'll have contingencies a mile deep. We have demands for a past that's not coming back. It's not hard to figure who will win this. During the deepest global recession in recorded history Football INC is growing at an unprecedented and obscene rate. Wait until you see what the next TV deal yields, when the elites lock themselves in and everyone else out. Stan will have projections based on every piece of insider information and cocktail party handshake. He just has to steer through these last couple of seasons, then nothing can touch him.

[Letters]

With the greatest of respect I doubt anyone gives a fuck what you like.

In Spain and Italy, or even Turkey where Eboue went that kind of thing is commonplace

That kind of scrutiny is the flip side of earning an obscene salary, in many ways off the back of gate receipts

If you can't hack it, find something else to do. That's the crucible where you burn away the wastrels and leave behind only the best.

If you're a player don't whinge about it, either improve your showing or move on.

Whether I like it or not isn't the issue. The issue is do we want Arsenal to win games? We are Arsenal fans, yes? So I guess we do.
So is doing something during the game to a player who is already struggling and which visibly makes a player play even worse helpful? Is it aligned with our hope that we win games?
It's a pretty simple logic. And yes, I agree it's part and parcel of earning £100k a week, players will get more scrutiny. But that doesn't make it a helpful thing to do.

[Niall_Quinn]

You really do approach football as if it is a committee meeting. Perhaps if a player is not pulling his weight we could hit him with a strongly worded leafletting campaign?

[Letters]

You really do approach football as if it is a committee meeting. Perhaps if a player is not pulling his weight we could hit him with a strongly worded leafletting campaign?

It wasn't about him not pulling his weight, he was just having a poor game and making silly mistakes. Booing the poor sod so much he visibly makes even more mistakes isn't particularly helpful.

[Özim]

It wasn't about him not pulling his weight, he was just having a poor game and making silly mistakes. Booing the poor sod so much he visibly makes even more mistakes isn't particularly helpful.

If he's having a rubbish game anyway who cares, if he's not good enough he shouldn't even be playing. I'm not about the start feeling sorry for a player who earns thousands a week because a few people are booing him.

If he doesn't like it he can up his game or leave. If you're going to go in an industry where you in the spotlight then you need to be prepared to face some difficult situations, if you can't maybe just stick to playing pub league stuff.

This is the kinda stuff Wenger would come out with, our players have been wrapped up in cotton wool for too long.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It wasn't about him not pulling his weight, he was just having a poor game and making silly mistakes. Booing the poor sod so much he visibly makes even more mistakes isn't particularly helpful.

What's one of the key issues with our players? Mental toughness

Like I say if they can't handle it they should go, they are so cosseted by their manager and by agents.

They perhaps need to be taken down a peg or two. A bit of humiliation should be character building

[AFC Leveller]

"Renewing" is just an anagram of "Wenger In"

[KSE Comedy Club]

"Renewing" is just an anagram of "Wenger In"

:lol: brilliant!

[KSE Comedy Club]

Letters, booing Eboue did help.

Wenger took him off because he was such an embarrassment (although he probably saw it that it was our fault for booing him) and subsequently we didn't see anymore of his pathetic antics when he next played 6 weeks or so later.

[Letters]

"Renewing" is just an anagram of "Wenger In"

:lol: Very good.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well we know even if the board was split on Wenger they have got on board with this car crash

[GP]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20170531/-this-club-cherishes-the-values-i-love-

[topgun]

Well that's that,copy and paste for another two years.Then they say Stan the board and Wenger all want to challenge for the big prize's,never heard so much b----x in all my days,pure lip service.

[Niall_Quinn]

Same old stuff. Two more years to go until he signs his next contract and he can say the same thing all over again.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Arsene you've signed a two year contract with the club how are you feeling about it?

Pretty fucking good


In the end was it an easy or difficult decision?

10 million a year ??? What do you fucking think?. Stupid fucking question.


What's your message to the fans after signing this deal

Enjoy me you slags. Your grandkids will be drawing pensions before you get rid of me. I'm Mumra the ever fucking living


What's the owner said about his ambitions

Well he felt it would be ambitious to consider moving the club to the stockbroker belt in Surrey, but according to premier league rules you can't do that.


When you look back on the 2016/2017 season as a whole how do you view it?

Couldn't give a fuck. Stop living in the past....ask me more about my contract


In terms of playing squad, what changes do you expect this season?

I expect any player who wants to earn anywhere near as much as me to fuck off


Are you looking at any particular area of the team

Yeah might treat myself to another technically gifted but physically weak central midfielder


What other changes do you expect, on the non playing side for example

Get fucked

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sporf/status/869895976575803393/video/1

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsene you've signed a two year contract with the club how are you feeling about it?

Pretty fucking good


In the end was it an easy or difficult decision?

10 million a year ??? What do you fucking think?. Stupid fucking question.


What's your message to the fans after signing this deal

Enjoy me you slags. Your grandkids will be drawing pensions before you get rid of me. I'm fucking Mumra the ever living


What's the owner said about his ambitions

Well he was ambitious about moving the club to the stockbroker belt in Surrey, but according to premier league rules you can't do that.


When you look back on the 2016/2017 season as a whole how do you view it?

Couldn't give a fuck. Stop living in the past....ask me more about my contract


In terms of playing squad, what changes do you expect this season?

I expect any player who wants to earn anywhere near as much as me to fuck off


Are you looking at any particular area of the team

Yeah might treat myself to another technically gifted but physically weak central midfielder


What other changes do you expect, on the non playing side for example

Get fucked

You ran it through Google Translate? Ingenious.

[Özim]

Arsène, you and the club have signed a new two-year contract. It's a big moment, how are you feeling about it?

I’m happy and excited. Happy because I can work where I love to be. As well because this club cherishes the values I love. I’m excited because I believe that our end of season is a big springboard to go for more. We have created a dynamic that is very positive and we want to build on that and transfer that positive end of season [form] to the new season.

Does he have any intelligence at all?



In the end, was it an easy decision or a difficult decision?

For me it’s always easy on a loving affair because I identify myself so much with the club. When you can be where you love to be, that’s easy. It’s difficult because you want to respond to the demands of all the people who love this club. This is of course a job that demands 100 per cent commitment and you want to be at that level to make sure you can make everyone happy.

Guess he means Kroenke, because he sure as hell doesn't give a damn about the fans.



What's your message to the fans after signing up for two more years?

The message to the fans is in aid of the club. Let’s be together to support our players, to support the club and all give our absolute best to be at the level that we want to be. We can move up to the next level, I’m convinced of that, by having faith in the way we want to play football and by supporting the players we have already. Of course we’ll try to strengthen our squad to be stronger next season, but we want to be faithful to the way we want to play the game. We want to support this way [of playing] all together.

By the level we want to be, I guess he means the level he wants to be i.e 4th place or if he doesnt get in the CL then whatever he has done that season, because the fans don't want to be at that level.



What's the owner said to you about our ambitions?
They are of course unlimited, our ambitions. We live in a very competitive world where you need the support of the owner as well. He’s highly ambitious and supportive as well so, on that front, we are all united with exactly the same targets.

Kroenke highly ambitious? Financially perhaps, certainly not on the sporting side.



When you look back at the 2016/17 season, how do you view it as a whole?

As a whole, I think the first part of the season was very positive. We went 20 games unbeaten, including the Champions League, and we finished top of the group in the Champions League. After that, the turning point was maybe the Everton and Manchester City games where we dropped our level away from home a little bit. We were unbeaten away from home for a long, long time. The negative side and other turning points were certainly the Bayern Munich games where we had very positive results at half-time but at the end of the game we were very frustrated. [It was] under very special circumstances but it deeply affected the confidence of the team. I believe the outside uncertainty over my situation had an impact on the team as well, and after that I think we regrouped. We could have been divided but we have shown great resilience and were united to bounce back very strongly. We finished the season in a very convincing way. We won 10 of our last 11 games and that is absolutely difficult. We played against all the difficult opponents, so we finished the season in a very strong way with a very strong dynamic. That’s why I told you that we want to transfer that into the new season.

Comical, this guy has career in stand up if he ever gives up football management (which he won't), 20 games unbeaten (a meaningless stat) :lol: top our CL group :lol: :lol: positive result against Bayern at half time :lol: :lol: :lol: finishing the season very strongly (seems to be the only thing he really remembers every season) oh and to top it off absolving the players and taking a dig at outside influences (i.e. the fans)...good one Mr Wenger :lol:



In terms of the playing squad, what changes do you expect this summer?

First of all, we have a very heavy squad at the moment so maybe we might lose some players. We want to keep the strength we have and build on that. We will work very hard to find the additions of top, top quality. I believe that our squad is very strong and we will only look for top-class people who can strengthen our team now. The basis is there so we need the additions who will make a real difference.

Additions of top, top quality, he wouldn't know quality if it bit him in the arse, as for building on the strength we have, ot sure what that is, maybe 5 yard passing because we don't seem to be able to shoot, defend or have any bottle when times are tough.


All in all a comical interview.

[dostoy]

Pathetic owner.

Pathetic board.

Pathetic manager.

Pathetic club from top to bottom.

No PL title or a first CL for the next few years.

Pathetic fuck all cups that mean nothing now.

Arsenal do not want to win anywhere near as much as Chelsea, Man Utd or Man City and that will not change whilst Wenger is in charge, I have been saying this since the old Goonersweb.

My loyalties are not with this pathetic club any more.

I pity you London Arsenal fans with season tickets, I really do.

[AFC Leveller]

According to Ornstein, there is NO plan for this contract to be his last and the club very much want him to go on as long as possible.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ivan's interview is too boring to endure. Got through the first few paragraphs, recognised the template, closed it.

My only other reaction is to say I don't believe a word he says, I don't believe a word Wenger says and they both need to fuck off and take that bastard Kroenke with them. THEN we can talk about ambition.

[Penguin]

My loyalties are not with this pathetic club any more.
Does that mean you're supporting another club now? :blink:

[GP]

the bed wetting from some is quite funny.

[Marc Overmars]

Quite telling how satisfied rival fans are with this outcome. It's obvious to everyone but the people who matter that under Wenger we will never be considered legitimate contenders for the big prizes. Suppose that isn't the priority anymore though.

[Özim]

Apparently he's going for the title next season, :lol: not in a month of sundays, what a joker!

[Özim]

Ivan's interview is too boring to endure. Got through the first few paragraphs, recognised the template, closed it.

My only other reaction is to say I don't believe a word he says, I don't believe a word Wenger says and they both need to fuck off and take that bastard Kroenke with them. THEN we can talk about ambition.

I guess that's what you get when you're the boss of someone who is your boss.

[Marc Overmars]

Apparently he's going for the title next season, :lol: not in a month of sundays, what a joker!

He had his golden opportunity and he cocked it right up, IMO we should have won at least one title between 2014-2016. Unforgivable that he couldn't put a strong enough team together to even challenge let alone win it in that period where the usual suspects were below bar.

It's going to take miracle now for us to win it with such fierce competition.

[LDG]

He had his golden opportunity and he cocked it right up, IMO we should have won at least one title between 2014-2016. Unforgivable that he couldn't put a strong enough team together to even challenge let alone win it in that period where the usual suspects were below bar.

It's going to take miracle now for us to win it with such fierce competition.

He does say he wants to sign top top quality though, so you never know!

[Marc Overmars]

He does say he wants to sign top top quality though, so you never know!

http://e2.365dm.com/17/05/16-9/20/skysports-onyekuru-henry-arsenal_3961402.jpg?20170524094752

[dostoy]

Apparently he's going for the title next season, :lol: not in a month of sundays, what a joker!

Not in the next two or probably four years.

The people who still believe that Wenger is the right man for the job are very small minded with small intelligence.

There are some on here.

[LDG]

Not in the next two or probably four years.

The people who still believe that Wenger is the right man for the job are very small minded with small intelligence.

There are some on here.

I don't think there are many who think he should still be here....maybe the 7 from the initial poll. But those 7 may have changed there minds over the last 12 months....it's been running a while this one.

There are retards on here though. They mainly post irrational, unsubstantiated crap.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Apparently he's going for the title next season, :lol: not in a month of sundays, what a joker!

He knows he won't win the title, it's PR. He's hardly going to be honest and say, we probably won't get in the top four yet again because I'm pathologically adverse to any kind of change.

[Marc Overmars]

He's said in this interview that the uncertainty over his future did affect the team this season. :lol:

Straight up WUM.

[dostoy]

I don't think there are many who think he should still be here....maybe the 7 from the initial poll. But those 7 may have changed there minds over the last 12 months....it's been running a while this one.

There are retards on here though. They mainly post irrational, unsubstantiated crap.

Maybe ?

May have changed their mind ?

There are retards on here though. They mainly post irrational, unsubstantiated crap.

Who is posting irrational, unsubstantiated crap now, therefore who is the retard ?

[LDG]

Maybe ?

May have changed their mind ?

There are retards on here though. They mainly post irrational, unsubstantiated crap.

Who is posting irrational, unsubstantiated crap now, therefore who is the retard ?

Well, of the people who voted on the poll. Seven thought he should stay. That's a pretty good statistic from those who voted, which led me to believe there were maybe seven from the original poll. Not a giant leap is it?

Now, given the year we've had, what is the likelihood of that number increasing?

And, what is the likelihood of it decreasing?

That led me to a conclusion that that number may be less.

Now, I don't like to call myself a fuckin' genius, but I think that's fairly sound logic.

[selassie]

Quite telling how satisfied rival fans are with this outcome. It's obvious to everyone but the people who matter that under Wenger we will never be considered legitimate contenders for the big prizes. Suppose that isn't the priority anymore though.

Yep, got a couple of mates of mine who are Spuds & Chelski fans, they are absolutely delighted, they know we won't be challenging for the title and know that Wenger won't significantly strengthen the team/squad.

Sad times ahead....

[Marc Overmars]

Considering there hasn't been a compelling argument for him staying in a very long time, I think whoever voted in favour of him staying were taking the piss.

[dostoy]

Well, of the people who voted on the poll. Seven thought he should stay. That's a pretty good statistic from those who voted, which led me to believe there were maybe seven from the original poll. Not a giant leap is it?

Now, given the year we've had, what is the likelihood of that number increasing?

And, what is the likelihood of it decreasing?

That led me to a conclusion that that number may be less.

Now, I don't like to call myself a fuckin' genius, but I think that's fairly sound logic.

You have missed the point completely.

I am not surprised.

[LDG]

You have missed the point completely.

I am not surprised.

Go on then, I'm all ears....

[dostoy]

You were talking about irrational, unsubstantiated crap and then you start saying 'maybe' and 'people who may have changed their mind'

What is that if its not unsubstantiated ?

[LDG]

You were talking about irrational, unsubstantiated crap and then you start saying 'maybe' and 'people who may have changed their mind'

What is that if its not unsubstantiated ?

It wasn't irrational though, and it wasn't crap. Therefore rendering the unsubstantiated bit moooooo in this instance.

[dostoy]

How do you know it wasn't crap if its unsubstantiated ?

You also implied that retards speak unsubstantiated crap.

Maybe you should never use the word retard, ever.

[Niall_Quinn]

FFS! Fight properly will you? At least call each other cunts!

[LDG]

How do you know it wasn't crap if its unsubstantiated ?

You also implied that retards speak unsubstantiated crap.

Maybe you should never use the word retard, ever.

If it's unsubstatiated, it is a load of shite innit.

Given I justified my musings earlier, what I said was niether irrational, unsubstantiated, nor crap. This not retarded (which was just an insult, not the dictionary definition of said window licker).

You cunt (NQ is right...far more interesting this way)

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpidVYVW_pE

[dostoy]

If it's unsubstatiated, it is a load of shite innit.

Given I justified my musings earlier, what I said was niether irrational, unsubstantiated, nor crap. This not retarded (which was just an insult, not the dictionary definition of said window licker).

You cunt (NQ is right...far more interesting this way)

Please re-read your last post, ignoring the spelling mistakes, and tell me if it makes any sense.

Name calling is a sign that you know you are wrong.

No name calling here.

[LDG]

Please re-read your last post, ignoring the spelling mistakes, and tell me if it makes any sense.

Name calling is a sign that you know you are wrong.

No name calling here.

Typing on my phone bruv. Sorry for the spelling errors.

Oh. And I'm not wrong.

:good:

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170531/90aec5fa50d5334eb640692b971802d5.jpg

[LDG]

:lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

I don't think there are many who think he should still be here....maybe the 7 from the initial poll. But those 7 may have changed there minds over the last 12 months....it's been running a while this one.

There are retards on here though. They mainly post irrational, unsubstantiated crap.

You fucking irrational retard cunt!

[Xhaka Can’t]

Please re-read your last post, ignoring the spelling mistakes, and tell me if it makes any sense.

Name calling is a sign that you know you are wrong.

No name calling here.

If he is a retard, what is the point in him re-reading it?

Unless you're the retard.

[GP]

If he is a retard, what is the point in him re-reading it?

Unless you're the retard.

We are ALL retards on this blessed day.

[LDG]

You fucking irrational retard cunt!

:(

[KSE Comedy Club]

Wenger's a retard

[GP]

Wenger's a retard

Yeah but he's rich, so really he had the last laugh.

[Niall_Quinn]

My work here is done.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger is Jaws from The Bond films, just can't be killed (although I mean kill hyperbolically I don't want Wenger to be killed, I'll leave that for the genuine emotionally retarded fuck heads)

[Dicks and chicks]

Wenger is Jaws from The Bond films, just can't be killed (although I mean kill hyperbolically I don't want Wenger to be killed, I'll leave that for the genuine emotionally retarded fuck heads)

He either gets killed or Claude does after another 2 seasons

[Thierrymon]

Cant wait for the inevitable "we are in transition" excuse when things start going bad next season.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40114462


Dear Mr Keown,

Thank you for expressing your interest in working at Arsenal Football club - a subsidiary of Kroenke Sports Enterprise

Unfortunately the Managing Director Mr A Wenger has indicated that there are no vacancies presently

We look forward to hearing from you again in the very distant future

[KSE Comedy Club]

Yeah but he's rich, so really he had the last laugh.

He was dribbling and laughing because his brain is all funny

[Niall_Quinn]

"I am sure both players want to go elsewhere because they want to win the Champions League, win the Premier League and maybe they do not feel it can be done at Arsenal. The club is bigger than two individuals."

Keown :doh:

If our two best players are leaving so they can play at a higher level then for sure, these two players are bigger than the club. If the club wants to be considered "big" it needs to be at the very least competing for titles and CL trophies. But we don't do that and haven't done for a long time. So what's the point in continuing to pretend genuinely "big" players would want to be here? They don't.

When Wenger signed Ozil and then followed up with Alexis he had a chance to change the ambitions of the club and add more talent in subsequent years. Instead he started fucking around and we slipped back into second tier status and that's where we have remained and will certainly remain for at least another 2 years. So trying to say the big name players who will be moving clubs this summer aren't as big as Arsenal is just silly. They are far too big for Arsenal because that's the sort of club Kroenke and Wenger have constructed these past years.

We're not a small club. But we aren't a big name any more either. We're rich, but that's a benefit enjoyed by the few and not the many. We used to be noted for our football but even that's gone. The Arsenal in Keown's mind is all based on the past. Modern Arsenal is a shadow of the club he played for.

[Gooner23]

Arsenal legend and all that but Keown is thick as shit.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Arsenal legend and all that but Keown is thick as shit.

He's not thick, he's fishing for a job.

He's trying to make nice with Arsene Wenger after comparing him to a punch drunk boxer in February

[Özim]

Keown was a great player, but he doesn't dare say a word against Wenger, his words about getting behind him if it's to be his send off, do me a favour he's had his opportunity of a good send off, he chose to stay on against the wishes of most of the fans.

Whatever anomosity against him there is now, he's brought it on himself and if the team are too weak to deal with it tough luck, they aren't capable of winning anything of note anyway, top quality players with mental strength come through times on top and turns things aroud, if they can't they're not tough enough and shouldn't be here.

We've had too many over-indulged pansies at the club in the last 10 years.

[Özim]

We're not a small club. But we aren't a big name any more either. We're rich, but that's a benefit enjoyed by the few and not the many. We used to be noted for our football but even that's gone. The Arsenal in Keown's mind is all based on the past. Modern Arsenal is a shadow of the club he played for.

Yup, we're not a big club in any sense other than financially, haven't won a top honour for over a decade, we're a car crash in transfer market and will struggle to attract top talent now as we're widely seen as also rans abroad and our football is rubbish.

To go from what we were 13 years ago to this requires a level of incompetence it's hard to comprehend, unrecognisable from those days when we were the envy of every fan, now we're just a joke to every fan instead, an objec tof derision.

[Niall_Quinn]

Alexis could hardly have done more in his time here. He even had a strop at the lack of ambition displayed at this club and the club thanked him by trying to assassinate him in the media. Even today Wenger is "warning" players that refuse to sign up for more of his antics. The real sin here is that Wenger has had two world class talents at his disposal plus a mountain of cash and all he's achieved is making the club smaller. Net result will be our two most vital players walking out the door and Wenger sticking around, once again as the highest earner.

[Niall_Quinn]

Greatest plastic of all time? Or a pragmatist in tune with the cynicism of the modern game? There's so much wrong with this article it leaves you breathless. But maybe football is so wrong now that this article has become right. It always happens when money takes centre stage. Up becomes down. In the end though, these are your modern day "fans". Pity football for what it has become.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/arsenal-fans-need-to-put-up-or-shut-up-about-arsene-wenger/

[Niall_Quinn]

One of the comments in response to that article sums it up nicely.


I just don't think you quite understand what it is about following a football team, Mr. Reilly- one thing it surely is not is treating it as a switch to Waitrose from M&S because their Malbec is so much nicer, and a pound cheaper.

[Marc Overmars]

Stopped reading after the first line:


I had 20 good years supporting Manchester United but now I follow Arsenal,

Clearly someone who doesn't understand anything about football.

[Niall_Quinn]

Stopped reading after the first line:



Clearly someone who doesn't understand anything about football.

It gets a lot worse.

[Xhaka Can’t]

It gets a lot worse.

I couldn't go much further.

A couple of paragraphs in, I genuinely came to the conclusion that the assembled words were coming together to form one of the worst articles ever composed.

It certainly is the 'sporting' piece I almost read.

[Penguin]

If we lost Alexis and Ozil, which world class player would even consider joining us? We're the jokes of Europe. At best we'll get a couple of up and coming players looking to use us as a stepping stone for their big dream move. We can't attract players of equal standard.

That will suit Wenger because he'll have a ready made excuse that nobody was available. His first instinct isn't to build a title winning team, it's to cover his own arse in case he fails. Mourinho was right, he really is a specialist in failure.

[GP]

You know when you start saying things like 'Mourinho was right' that you've lost your grip on reality.

[Penguin]

I threw up a little in my mouth while I typed that... :sick:

[selassie]

If we lost Alexis and Ozil, which world class player would even consider joining us? We're the jokes of Europe. At best we'll get a couple of up and coming players looking to use us as a stepping stone for their big dream move. We can't attract players of equal standard.

That will suit Wenger because he'll have a ready made excuse that nobody was available. His first instinct isn't to build a title winning team, it's to cover his own arse in case he fails. Mourinho was right, he really is a specialist in failure.

Even if Ozil and Sanchez stay which isn't looking likely we will have trouble convincing players of equal standing to them to join us. We won't pay there wages for a start.

We have been here so many times before with Wenger/Arsenal, statements such as "needing to keep this group together" actually mean "our best players want to leave us and I'm trying to convince them to stay". Adding only top top quality means "I want to add top class players to this team but only on my terms" I.E opportunist buys. Wenger isn't going to suddenly change, he can't and he won't, he's way too long in the tooth for that.

In my opinion, what happens now both on and off the pitch will not be a whole lot different to what we have seen over the past 10 years. Why should it be any different if the same methods are applied?

[Niall_Quinn]

http://le-grove.co.uk/2017/06/01/wenger-the-manager-who-isnt-really-focused-on-winning/

Ouch.

[Xhaka Can’t]

He's winning where it counts; the Boardroom.

In fact he doesn't need to show up to win.

[Maestro]

7 little secret retards jumping on wenger's dick, one fell down and ........

[Niall_Quinn]

7 little secret retards jumping on wenger's dick, one fell down and ........

6 and Maccy, tbf. He was having a bad year.

[Niall_Quinn]

7 little secret retards jumping on wenger's dick, one fell down and ........

...the ref booked Xhaka.

[Niall_Quinn]

He's winning where it counts; the Boardroom.

In fact he doesn't need to show up to win.

Don't we know it. The amount of no-shows from the guy last season was yet another record, I think.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Fuck

[selassie]

http://le-grove.co.uk/2017/06/01/wenger-the-manager-who-isnt-really-focused-on-winning/

Ouch.

Pretty decent read TBF.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Wank.

Still feel as deflated by this subject as I did on Monday.

Wanky, wank, wank.

[Dicks and chicks]

We are fucked. There are no top players around this season at a good price we should've got higuian 3 seasons ago. No good strikes that we can sign. I hope we get rid of Giroud and Walcott fuck em .

[selassie]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/victory-for-wenger-as-his-staff-get-new-deals-3qtsl9sf7

I think you have to subscribe to the Times to read the article in full but in short Wenger's coaches/staff are getting new deals.

High fives for Wenger and his merry band of yes men. First Wenger gets his 2 years rolling contract....and now his merry band of yes men are all close to getting new deals.

Absolutely nothing has changed at this club...it's honestly unbelievable.

[Globalgunner]

It will all end in tears but do they care?. Another 5 years exactly like the last five years will be spun as a success by Wenger his acolytes and hyped by AKBs. Walcott will have scored 150 goals for us and Ramsey will have won 30 payer of the month trophies. Its all good in the world of Wenger. It all depends on if we can bribe, blackmail of kidnap Sanchez for another year. I do not see any player of his calibre coming to join us while the dolt is still in charge. Hey Costa is available and cheap.

[Niall_Quinn]

Latest musings from Wenger.


‘We want to win trophies but you cannot live inside a club thinking we want to win the next trophy and if you don’t win it then you have lost,’ he said.

‘The club is something bigger than that and has a stronger basis than that. On a personal level, I want to win every game. When we lose a game I’m absolutely mad and sad, but it is part of being a coach.’

If you don't win, then you have not lost. Excellent news.

[Penguin]

You finish 5th in the league and get humiliated in Europe. Apparently you haven't lost :lol:

[Letters]

Yes, that is all that happened last season. We didn't win anything at all.

[Penguin]

Did you read the quote? Wenger's not talking about the FA Cup.

[Letters]

Yes I did. What is he talking about then? He doesn't specify, he just says "trophies".

[Power n Glory]

It’s that prevailing philosophy that not winning a trophy isn’t a disaster. We won the FA Cup but he’s not talking about that. Even if we lost the final he’d have still said the same thing. He’ll always see a silver lining.

[Letters]

It's a bit simplistic to say that winning a trophy = success, not winning a trophy = failure.
We DID win a trophy last year but most people wouldn't regard the season as a success.

[Power n Glory]

It's a bit simplistic to say that winning a trophy = success, not winning a trophy = failure.
We DID win a trophy last year but most people wouldn't regard the season as a success.

So why have you mentioned the FA Cup at all?

[Letters]

I was responding to Penguin's post where he mentioned only the negatives from last season, a fair assessment has to include all the facts.
Overall it was a failure but somewhat mitigated by the Cup win. It's not like there aren't any positives from the season.
People seem to only be able to think in black and white on here, there are usually shades of grey which is what I think Wenger was getting at.

[Marc Overmars]

Last season was a shit show. It had a nice ending but if anyone classes 16/17 as a successful season then unfortunately you're just as accountable as the board and Wenger for the stench of underachievement that wafts through this club.

[Letters]

And who classes it as a successful season?

[Marc Overmars]

I never said anyone did but I'm sure there are fans who do.

[Power n Glory]

I was responding to Penguin's post where he mentioned only the negatives from last season, a fair assessment has to include all the facts.
Overall it was a failure but somewhat mitigated by the Cup win. It's not like there aren't any positives from the season.
People seem to only be able to think in black and white on here, there are usually shades of grey which is what I think Wenger was getting at.

I think Penguin is right to question if you understood what you read. He's not talking about the overall season.


We want to win trophies but you cannot live inside a club thinking we want to win the next trophy and if you don’t win it then you have lost

Wenger is the type of guy that can take a positive from finishing 4th or runner up in a Cup.

[Letters]

I never said anyone did but I'm sure there are fans who do.

I'm sure Ty does :lol:
Most people see it for what it was, but I don't think Wenger is entirely wrong in his assertion that it's overly simplistic to surely judge success based on trophies, the fact we won one and most people don't regard the season as a success rather backs that up.

A lot of people seem to have a Pavlovian response to everything Wenger says these days as if everything he says is wrong simply because he said it.

[Marc Overmars]

A lot of people seem to have a Pavlovian response to everything Wenger says these days as if everything he says is wrong simply because he said it.

No sympathy. He's shown himself up to be an arrogant old cunt these last couple of years.

I hope he can turn it around over the course of this new contract but I won't brush everything under the carpet so easily.

[Letters]

You don't have to brush anything anywhere, or have any sympathy for anything.
But I do wish people would actually look at what he actually says, not just automatically take the contrary position because it's him who says it.
I've seen people on here post certain opinions and then some time later Wenger is quoted as saying something which completely agrees with what they said and they just howl with derision, because it's Wenger saying it :wacko:


That said, he does come out with quite a lot of balls.

[Power n Glory]

You don't have to brush anything anywhere, or have any sympathy for anything.
But I do wish people would actually look at what he actually says, not just automatically take the contrary position because it's him who says it.
I've seen people on here post certain opinions and then some time later Wenger is quoted as saying something which completely agrees with what they said and they just howl with derision, because it's Wenger saying it :wacko:


That said, he does come out with quite a lot of balls.

It’s true that some are quick to jump all over what Wenger says but I think you have the wrong end of the stick this time. In fact, I think you’ve been too quick to jump on to other posters without reading what’s been said on either side.

[Letters]

It’s true that some are quick to jump all over what Wenger says but I think you have the wrong end of the stick this time. In fact, I think you’ve been too quick to jump on to other posters without reading what’s been said on either side.

I was just responding to Penguin's comment on the season which missed out quite a big factor in assessing how the season went.

[Power n Glory]

I was just responding to Penguin's comment on the season which missed out quite a big factor in assessing how the season went.

It's worth reading it again.


You finish 5th in the league and get humiliated in Europe. Apparently you haven't lost

That's not a season assessment and I don't think you've read what he or Wenger has said properly. Or just don't understand.

[Penguin]

I was just responding to Penguin's comment on the season which missed out quite a big factor in assessing how the season went.

As Delusion said I think you misunderstood what I meant.
I wasn't talking about the season as a whole. I was responding to the quote from Wenger. Wenger's quote was basically: 'If you don't win a trophy it doesn't mean you lost'. He's obviously talking about the league and/or the champions league because we won the FA Cup.

My point was that we finished 5th and were never even close to challenging for the title, and we were demolished in the Champions league as usual. If that doesn't count as losing I don't know what does.

[Power n Glory]

As Delusion said I think you misunderstood what I meant.
I wasn't talking about the season as a whole. I was responding to the quote from Wenger. Wenger's quote was basically: 'If you don't win a trophy it doesn't mean you lost'. He's obviously talking about the league and/or the champions league because we won the FA Cup.

My point was that we finished 5th and were never even close to challenging for the title, and we were demolished in the Champions league as usual. If that doesn't count as losing I don't know what does.

It's another ridiculous statement from Wenger. Always trying to polish a turd. It's no surprise when you consider what he said about winning whatever half it was against Bayern.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

And of course he knows it's a ridiculous statement to make, but even though he knows you can't polish a turd he'll give it a bloody good go.

[Özim]

Let's face it, Wenger is always trying to paint a rosy picture of the events of the previous season, in the past it's been focussing on mini unbeaten runs when we have nothing to play for, this season int he Bayern match he came out with something about winning the 1st half, all ridiculous statements and this one is the latest in a long line.

He refuses to recognise when he's failed, in his eyes he hasn't, after all he judges how good his performance is and since he's still in the job he clearly thinks he's still doing a great job.