Winter Transfer Missed Opportunities and Regrets

[LDG]

Chelsea have finally made another signing!

£29m to PSV for Noni Madueke.

I thought you were going to say they’d gone full John Terry and announced Trossard

[Ralpheroo72]

Premier League ready, has the experience, will be an option off the bench if needed, don't see the issue here. Could turn out to be an astute signing.

[mandela8]

Trossard is better than Martinelli, ESR and Saka, ffs.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I thought you were going to say they’d gone full John Terry and announced Trossard

https://twitter.com/EmanDaGoon/status/1616209928946860038?t=_KzZXp6m59CP3ck7tY6BAA&s=19

[selassie]

Trossard is better than Martinelli, ESR and Saka, ffs.

No he isn't. He is a good player though, I am on board with this signing as a quality depth option. His numbers this season as others have pointed out are very good too.

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Trossard is better than Martinelli, ESR and Saka, ffs.

He's not better than Saka....as for the other 2, hopefully they keep improving.

[HCZ_Reborn]

He’s not better than Martinelli either. Smith Rowe isn’t a winger so you can’t make a direct comparison

He’s decent(ish) but nothing special, we’ve paid too much for him but unfortunately that’s the way it goes in this day and age.

At most the only benefit I can see him providing is coming off the bench to rest Saka or Martinelli. Or play in Europe to make sure they don’t. It’s marginal…and I’d rather have more than marginal for twenty odd million. But then again we paid almost twenty million for Lokonga…and I’m sorry to say it he’s a waste of a squad number

[Marc Overmars]

To be fair Trossard compares well with them despite playing in a weaker team. Saka and Martinelli have higher ceilings but sometimes it’s easy to forget they’re only 21 and they do tend to blow hot and cold.

[Mac76]

So Albert Stuivenberg knows and likes Trossard so no problems there: https://tbrfootball.com/coach-albert-stuivenberg-has-been-urging-arsenal-to-sign-fantastic-player/

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So Albert Stuivenberg knows and likes Trossard so no problems there: https://tbrfootball.com/coach-albert-stuivenberg-has-been-urging-arsenal-to-sign-fantastic-player/

Good then, he'll have a 2nd Daddy if Arteta gets to harsh with him.

Now could we get back to seeing if we could get someone competent in the middle, do we do a Mudryk on Chelsea and go all out for Caicedo (or Rice)?

[mandela8]

To be fair Trossard compares well with them despite playing in a weaker team. Saka and Martinelli have higher ceilings but sometimes it’s easy to forget they’re only 21 and they do tend to blow hot and cold.

Exactly.

Trossard is currently at a higher level and will have more of what both Martinelli and Saka lack, consistency. He's simply better than they are. Silly fanboyism to dispute that.

Hopefully Martinelli has a higher ceiling than him though. Less convinced Saka will, but hope he does.

[HCZ_Reborn]

So I see you’re back, genuine pity. I find NQ with his excessive negativity on literally everything in existence more easy to tolerate than you.

The absolute heaving garbage you talk with absolute authority, a thin disguise as to what a waste of skin and organs you actually are.

What crosses my mind is Why do you even support Arsenal? You hold everything English in absolute contempt, yet lack the principles to even actually stay and fight for what you think should happen with Scotland

[Mac76]

:handbags:

[Marc Overmars]

We’re signing Jakub Kiwior.

A big Polish centre back. 17.5m.

One for the future, obvs. Guess we’ll need a bigger squad with the CL to probably factor in next season.

[selassie]

We’re signing Jakub Kiwior.

A big Polish centre back. 17.5m.

One for the future, obvs. Guess we’ll need a bigger squad with the CL to probably factor in next season.

Yeah just seen the story on The Athletic.

https://theathletic.com/4109940/2023/01/20/arsenal-jakub-kiwior-transfer-latest/

[HCZ_Reborn]

We’re signing Jakub Kiwior.

A big Polish centre back. 17.5m.

One for the future, obvs. Guess we’ll need a bigger squad with the CL to probably factor in next season.


For me this suggests two things

A) Arteta regards Ben White as his first choice right back, now I personally think that’s a shame because I think he’s better as a centre back but he’s also had a fantastic season so no complaints either

B) That leaves Saliba and Gabriel needing cover and Holding just doesn’t cut it, I like the guy personally but he’s too slow and technically not good enough. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him go before the window closes

[Mac76]

For me this suggests two things

A) Arteta regards Ben White as his first choice right back, now I personally think that’s a shame because I think he’s better as a centre back but he’s also had a fantastic season so no complaints either

B) That leaves Saliba and Gabriel needing cover and Holding just doesn’t cut it, I like the guy personally but he’s too slow and technically not good enough. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him go before the window closes

Agreed except i think White's doing a very good job at RB though yes, he's a good CB too

[Marc Overmars]

Holding is a bit of a behind the scenes leader so I can see him sticking around till the summer. He definitely needs upgrading on though and I guess that’s why we’ve bought Kiwior in.

[mandela8]

Holding is a bit of a behind the scenes leader so I can see him sticking around till the summer. He definitely needs upgrading on though and I guess that’s why we’ve bought Kiwior in.

Aye, I love Holding. Probably my favorite player, currently. Obviously not a great player but he offers much more. People like Tierney and Turner have spoke about how he's the one who welcomed them when they arrived, offered to drive them to training and all that kinda stuff. Just seems like a genuinely happy, good guy. Priceless in a squad, even when not contributing on the pitch.

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We’re signing Jakub Kiwior.

A big Polish centre back. 17.5m.

One for the future, obvs. Guess we’ll need a bigger squad with the CL to probably factor in next season.

Ok, probably after the DM position, this is our weakest spot in the team in terms of drop off in quality (White has won me over playing RB and would only want him moved to DM worse case scenario, not back to CB).

Good that we have someone else beside Holding, who though I have a lot of time for, is clearly to slow and not technical enough to play Arteta ball.

I've never seen this guy play, so can't really judge him, but personally not sure the EPL has a track record of getting the best out of CBs coming directly from Serie A (if anyone's got good examples, please let me know).

Really not sure what to make of this signing, I would definitely had preferred a CB who has EPL experience for sure.

Lets see how it goes though.

[Marc Overmars]

He’s supposed to be quite versatile so you’d think he fits the profile of what Arteta needs his defenders to be. Can’t imagine we’d be signing him if he wasn’t technically good and capable of playing out from the back effectively.

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He’s supposed to be quite versatile so you’d think he fits the profile of what Arteta needs his defenders to be. Can’t imagine we’d be signing him if he wasn’t technically good and capable of playing out from the back effectively.

Well just done a little YouTu-Research on him and he seems to like a tackle (my kind of defender) though Arteta ball probably means he should stay up more often.

Let's see how it goes; theirs a good video of him going toe to toe with Kvaradona, that seems to show he's quite comfortable on the ball as you suggested.

[IBK]

Ok, probably after the DM position, this is our weakest spot in the team in terms of drop off in quality (White has won me over playing RB and would only want him moved to DM worse case scenario, not back to CB).

Good that we have someone else beside Holding, who though I have a lot of time for, is clearly to slow and not technical enough to play Arteta ball.

I've never seen this guy play, so can't really judge him, but personally not sure the EPL has a track record of getting the best out of CBs coming directly from Serie A (if anyone's got good examples, please let me know).

Really not sure what to make of this signing, I would definitely had preferred a CB who has EPL experience for sure.

Lets see how it goes though.

Agreed - it's gone under the radar a little that we don't have back up for Big Gabi, so this looks promising. I think he started all Poland's games at the WC? Right central defence can be covered by White, with Tomi at RB if needed. So completing the defensive picture with this signing :good:

[Marc Overmars]

Done!

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/1616458524623511555?cxt=HHwWhoCxpded6O4sAAAA

[IBK]

Done!

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/1616458524623511555?cxt=HHwWhoCxpded6O4sAAAA

Good. Simple effective and quick.

[IBK]

Done!

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/1616458524623511555?cxt=HHwWhoCxpded6O4sAAAA

Good. Simple effective and quick.

[Mac76]

Very good signing that gives us much-needed extra squad depth

Well done Arsenal :clap:

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Good. Simple effective and quick.

The way signings are suppose to be when you are serious about it.

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Agreed - it's gone under the radar a little that we don't have back up for Big Gabi, so this looks promising. I think he started all Poland's games at the WC? Right central defence can be covered by White, with Tomi at RB if needed. So completing the defensive picture with this signing :good:

Seems MO was on to something.

He seems to have played DM for his club for a considerable amount of time. Clearly wont be close to being proper cover for Partey but I tend to like players who can play in different positions...shows an understanding of the game.

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/jakub-kiwior-transfer-arsenal-partey-26030106

[mandela8]

The way signings are suppose to be when you are serious about it.

It also shows some contingency planning, which is good to see, as I'm not convinced that was something given due diligence previously, from a fairly inexperienced team, tbf.

But the Murdyk transfer fell through when, Saturday? So it was clearly straight on to next on the list. Encouraging all round.

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It also shows some contingency planning, which is good to see, as I'm not convinced that was something given due diligence previously, from a fairly inexperienced team, tbf.

But the Murdyk transfer fell through when, Saturday? So it was clearly straight on to next on the list. Encouraging all round.

IMO the club always knew they were going to sign players, they just wanted to do everything last minute, as has been the habit especially in January.

The thing is, they should have realised early on, when Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea wasted no time, that this would be a different kind of January.(you need to also consider that the pause due to the World Cup would have allowed rivals to do their homework better)

Our dithering cost us our first choice, but yeah we have to move on and learn from it.

[Mac76]

Reading between the lines, Trossard basically wanted out from Brighton and worked to force the move, it happens sometimes and doesn't mean he's fundamentally difficult to deal with.

Hope he gets some time against Man Ure on Sunday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64342770

[Marc Overmars]

Linked with a loan move for Eduardo Camavinga.

Decent if true.

[GP]

Camavinga would be amazing backup for Xhaka

[LDG]

Good piece of business Trossard.

Technical, good finisher, quick feet

[Mac76]

Camavinga would be amazing backup for Xhaka

As would a lamppost

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As would a lamppost

:haha:

[IBK]

The way signings are suppose to be when you are serious about it.

We can agree on this. :good:

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Offered more money and stole him from Spurs in 24 hrs, seems we might be learning after all...

I also like what Arteta says about needing to consider players for what they can bring immediately too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/football/1310813/leandro-trossard-agent-arsenal-tottenham-transfer/amp/

[Chippy]

https://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-seal-second-january-signing-21m-defender-huge-potential-joins-league-leaders

[Marc Overmars]

Sounds like Kiwior is quite highly rated. Hopefully he settles well.

[Chippy]

Sounds like Kiwior is quite highly rated. Hopefully he settles well.

Indeed. A left footed defender is like gold dust according to Sky sports news :).

[Mac76]

Looks like another good signing :good:

[IBK]

https://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-seal-second-january-signing-21m-defender-huge-potential-joins-league-leaders

Looks rather like Arsenal are not as clueless in the transfer market as some thought ;)

[Marc Overmars]

Linked with Moises Caicedo but then so have several other clubs.

[Chippy]

Our new Jack Wheelchair :rose:
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/smith-rowe-arsenal-injury-news-man-city-b1056034.html

[IBK]

Our new Jack Wheelchair :rose:
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/smith-rowe-arsenal-injury-news-man-city-b1056034.html

FFS :banghead:

[Mac76]

Our new Jack Wheelchair :rose:
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/smith-rowe-arsenal-injury-news-man-city-b1056034.html

it looks like it doesn't it? would be a tragedy if true

[Chippy]

FFS :banghead:
Sad really. But we always get one every few years (Diaby, Jack, etc etc.).

[HCZ_Reborn]

I mean this in the nicest possible way but who gives a shit?

Has ESR in anyway been pivotal to us being where we are in the table and the answer is no

My attitude is get him back from injury, maybe give him a few games to score some more goals and then sell him in the summer. He is surplus to requirements injured or not

[Marc Overmars]

I mean this in the nicest possible way but who gives a shit?

Has ESR in anyway been pivotal to us being where we are in the table and the answer is no

My attitude is get him back from injury, maybe give him a few games to score some more goals and then sell him in the summer. He is surplus to requirements injured or not

We’ve got to where we are without him but he was really good before his injuries. A fully fit ESR is definitely good enough to compete for a place in the team, so I wouldn’t quite class him as surplus just yet.

The longer his issues go on though then unfortunately a decision would probably have to be made.

[HCZ_Reborn]

We’ve got to where we are without him but he was really good before his injuries. A fully fit ESR is definitely good enough to compete for a place in the team, so I wouldn’t quite class him as surplus just yet.

The longer his issues go on though then unfortunately a decision would probably have to be made.

He already is surplus to requirements given we have two players that occupy the same position as him and the way things are going even Vieira will command preference over him in that role.

Rosicky, Diaby and Wilshere were three of my favourite Arsenal players in that when they were fit they were exceptional but we should have been more ruthless with them. ESR isn’t…yes it’s nice he gets a few goals but he’s not technically brilliant, his link up play and running aren’t particularly great and he seems almost slightly lop sided.

Is he better than Iwobi or Joe Willock? Yes but that’s not a high bar to get over. Squad depth means nothing if the players in the squad aren’t reliable

[HCZ_Reborn]

Put in a 60 million bid for Caicedo from Brighton, they’ve rejected and said he’s not for sale.

Can’t say I blame them to be honest

[Marc Overmars]

Encouraging that we’re after a CM but unless we pay something ridiculous I don’t think there’s any chance Brighton will sell him.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Encouraging that we’re after a CM but unless we pay something ridiculous I don’t think there’s any chance Brighton will sell him.

Encouraging but also alarming

Coming into this window it didn’t seem like a priority on the club’s part, which suggests to me that we know Elneny is crocked for a long time

[selassie]

Encouraging but also alarming

Coming into this window it didn’t seem like a priority on the club’s part, which suggests to me that we know Elneny is crocked for a long time

Feels like the end of the Summer transfer window. The one good thing I would say is at least we are being proactive now, even though you could argue we should have been investing in Central Midfield in the Summer.

I like him as a player but can't see this happening unless he hands in a transfer request. Chelsea are on him too, but it's encouraging we have bid too as he must have made it known to us he is keen to come.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Feels like the end of the Summer transfer window. The one good thing I would say is at least we are being proactive now, even though you could argue we should have been investing in Central Midfield in the Summer.

I like him as a player but can't see this happening unless he hands in a transfer request. Chelsea are on him too, but it's encouraging we have bid too as he must have made it known to us he is keen to come.

We aren’t signing Caicedo I imagine we will move on from him quickly

Weston McKennie, some young Italian guy playing in the Portuguese league, Onana and one or two others we have been looking at

[Marc Overmars]

There’s only so many important players Brighton can sell off without expecting a drop off in level. Caicedo is far too important for them and I’d be amazed if they sold him for anything other than something obscene.

[HCZ_Reborn]

There’s only so many important players Brighton can sell off without expecting a drop off in level. Caicedo is far too important for them and I’d be amazed if they sold him for anything other than something obscene.

Exactly, no I don’t blame them for not selling.

I myself would like us to bring in a stop gap (if possible) and look at Caicedo in the summer. I would honestly prefer him over Rice

[Mac76]

I' m not entirely sold on Rice either, not suere how consistent he is, also there has to be a reason why no-one's yet made an offer for him that West Ham just can't refuse

[HCZ_Reborn]

I' m not entirely sold on Rice either, not suere how consistent he is, also there has to be a reason wh no-one's yet made an offer for him that West Ham just can't refuse

Maybe people just aren’t as up for decapitating Horses as you are

[selassie]

We aren’t signing Caicedo I imagine we will move on from him quickly

Weston McKennie, some young Italian guy playing in the Portuguese league, Onana and one or two others we have been looking at

I don't think we are signing him either, Brighton seem to be standing firm with him, it certainly wasn't like this with our purchase of Ben White and the Trossard deal was fairly smooth once he had effectively gone on strike.

I don't think Onana is obtainable in this window either, he has already come out publicly and said he wants to fight to keep Everton up after the Chelsea interest / bid. Everton also don't appear to want to lose him, unlike Gordon.

We are where we are, essentially in the same position as we were at the start of the season. Even a loan would do now if Elneny is really out for the rest of the season.

[selassie]

I' m not entirely sold on Rice either, not suere how consistent he is, also there has to be a reason wh no-one's yet made an offer for him that West Ham just can't refuse

West Ham have priced him out of a move up until now, I am sure I read last season they wanted 150million for him :haha:

I think Rice is a decent player but I don't fully know what he excels in. He is like a 6/8 hybrid without being a box to box Midfielder if that makes any sense. People say he will eventually phase Partey out of the team (if we bought him) but I don't see him doing half of what Partey does. I like Rice as a player though.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Caicedo posted on Instagram he wants to take this amazing opportunity [to leave].

Mudryk Mark II. :bow:

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Don't know how we'll sort out this CM thing, but this game against Citeh shows that if we don't and Partey is out of the team for a considerable period, we can kiss the league good bye.

[Chippy]

Don't know how we'll sort out this CM thing, but this game against Citeh shows that if we don't and Partey is out of the team for a considerable period, we can kiss the league good bye.
Partey was taken off injured tonight. He needs a scan on his knee. We can indeed kiss the league goodbye.

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Partey was taken off injured tonight. He needs a scan on his knee. We can indeed kiss the league goodbye.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/12797155/thomas-partey-arsenal-midfielder-to-have-mri-scan-after-fa-cup-fourth-round-defeat-at-manchester-city

Yeah, just seen it on Sky.....a bit speechless.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Partey was taken off injured tonight. He needs a scan on his knee. We can indeed kiss the league goodbye.

Ribs, not knee.

[Marc Overmars]

Bit shady from Caicedo to announce he wants to leave on Instagram.

If Partey is out for any considerable time though, I’m thinking just sod it, pay what Brighton want.

[Marc Overmars]

Brighton have told Caicedo he won’t be leaving and to not come back for training until after the window closes. :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Brighton have told Caicedo he won’t be leaving and to not come back for training until after the window closes. :lol:

Yeah I think we need to move on to be honest. Don’t want another Luiz situation, that was embarrassing

I 100% don’t blame Brighton for this stance. Imagine a club like Barca trying to destabilise Saka because they’ve run into injury problems…we’d be fucked off

[selassie]

Brighton have told Caicedo he won’t be leaving and to not come back for training until after the window closes. :lol:

Like HCZ said I personally think we should move on. Brighton are the last club we should be pissing off, we have bought two good players off them recently and they have a bundle of talent still there excluding Caicedo that I am sure we are interested in if they become available.

I always felt with a deal like Caicedo it happens in the Summer and Brighton will milk whatever club wants him. I don't see us paying up to 80 million or whatever it is they want for him now if they do sanction the sale. If anything I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea are waiting in the wings to offer the 80 or 90 million they want for him on deadline day next week.

These negotiations seem quite similar to Mudryk, we want the player, he wants us (we have basically tapped him up) or Chelsea (they have most likely tapped him up too)....but we aren't prepared to meet the asking price.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Like HCZ said I personally think we should move on. Brighton are the last club we should be pissing off, we have bought two good players off them recently and they have a bundle of talent still there excluding Caicedo that I am sure we are interested in if they become available.

I always felt with a deal like Caicedo it happens in the Summer and Brighton will milk whatever club wants him. I don't see us paying up to 80 million or whatever it is they want for him now if they do sanction the sale. If anything I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea are waiting in the wings to offer the 80 or 90 million they want for him on deadline day next week.

These negotiations seem quite similar to Mudryk, we want the player, he wants us (we have basically tapped him up) or Chelsea (they have most likely tapped him up too)....but we aren't prepared to meet the asking price.

I think the asking price is less of an issue than the fact that they don’t want to lose a player mid season without cover

Brighton have been trying to sign Amadou Haidara from RB Leipzig who equally don’t want to sell a player in mid season. This is the problem, selling players usually is only sanctionable if the alternative is you’re going to get far less cash in the summer because you’ve then got to sign someone to replace them within the same short period of time

The potential transfer of Caicedo whether it’s to us or Chelsea, is reliant on probably at least two other transfers happening

[selassie]

I think the asking price is less of an issue than the fact that they don’t want to lose a player mid season without cover

Brighton have been trying to sign Amadou Haidara from RB Leipzig who equally don’t want to sell a player in mid season. This is the problem, selling players usually is only sanctionable if the alternative is you’re going to get far less cash in the summer because you’ve then got to sign someone to replace them within the same short period of time

The potential transfer of Caicedo whether it’s to us or Chelsea, is reliant on probably at least two other transfers happening

Yeah I agree but I do think the asking price plays a big part, if we were to slap down 90 million (we won't), then i think Brighton would accept it, they would be mad not too considering they have a player who is now desperate to leave.

I hear you on the Haidara link and Brighton not being able to secure him from Leipzig for the same reason that Brighton don't want to sell Caicedo, but i think money does talk here. Brighton are in no way guaranteed this kind of money for Caicedo in the summer, there are quite a few Midfielders seemingly available in the Summer (Rice & Zubimendi being the prime examples) and I don't think Caicedo is the best of the bunch, he is just the most obtainable now albeit at a vastly inflated fee.

[Mac76]

How much we can pay depends how much we think the PL title is worth and whether we're realistically in the hunt for anyone else (I'm hoping we'll see a surprise Vieira-style signing :pray:)

Lokonga is clearly not a usable option and with Elneny out, we need cover for Partey - we've just had a big scare which brings the issue into even greater focus

The only other option without a buy is to play someone out of position or drop Xhaka back into DM but please god no...

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How much we can pay depends how much we think the PL title is worth and whether we're realistically in the hunt for anyone else (I'm hoping we'll see a surprise Vieira-style signing :pray:)

Lokonga is clearly not a usable option and with Elneny out, we need cover for Partey - we've just had a big scare which brings the issue into even greater focus

The only other option without a buy is to play someone out of position or drop Xhaka back into DM but please god no...

:gp: Now it seems almost everyone has turnaround and accepted that how well we make use of this window will determine to an extent if we can stay the course and win the league. In short, our fate is clearly in our hands.

This position has always been the position that worried me and we should have started earlier without waiting for all the scares and so on.

We've faced Citeh and the consensus was we only lost the game because of the dropoff in quality in the centre in the 2nd half. The same consensus most of us reached in the Man U game we lost earlier. These small margins do matter in a league as competitive as the EPL.

If the club have recognized they need Caicedo, let them go all out for him.

However IMO I don't know why we are not seriously considering Tielemans who would be considerably cheaper, has far more experience and has the better range of passing and shooting. I am not equivocally saying he is the better option but he does look more attainable.

[HCZ_Reborn]

:gp: Now it seems almost everyone has turnaround and accepted that how well we make use of this window will determine to an extent if we can stay the course and win the league. In short, our fate is clearly in our hands.

This position has always been the position that worried me and we should have started earlier without waiting for all the scares and so on.

We've faced Citeh and the consensus was we only lost the game because of the dropoff in quality in the centre in the 2nd half. The same consensus most of us reached in the Man U game we lost earlier. These small margins do matter in a league as competitive as the EPL.

If the club have recognized they need Caicedo, let them go all out for him.

However IMO I don't know why we are not seriously considering Tielemans who would be considerably cheaper, has far more experience and has the better range of passing and shooting. I am not equivocally saying he is the better option but he does look more attainable.

Maybe because Tielemans is not a DCM and that’s what we are after. If we signed Tielemans it would be as an upgrade on Xhaka…which i am totally and unequivocally in support of but he would not be sufficient cover for Partey because he cannot break up attacks the way Partey can

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Maybe because Tielemans is not a DCM and that’s what we are after. If we signed Tielemans it would be as an upgrade on Xhaka…which i am totally and unequivocally in support of but he would not be sufficient cover for Partey because he cannot break up attacks the way Partey can

I doubt anyone can "break up attacks the way Partey can" however I don't believe that is the strongest part of his game or the most beneficial thing he does for us. Again I don't even believe he's in the top 6 DMs in the EPL if we rated solely on that.

Like I said before, his x factor is the way he beats the press and engineers our passing game from deep. While his best defensive quality IMO is the way he occupies space (positional awareness) something I can agree he is one of the best in the league at.

If you want someone who is effective in breaking up play, Caicedo is clearly our man, but he is not a like for like replacement for Partey either.

[Marc Overmars]

Caicedo is more of a Kante type, strong engine and a great tackler. What we’d lose without Partey though is that press resistance and ability to play in tight areas. I think it was Mandela who said the other day sometimes players are just so good at what they do you just have to accept you’ll suffer without them regardless.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Caicedo is more of a Kante type, strong engine and a great tackler. What we’d lose without Partey though is that press resistance and ability to play in tight areas. I think it was Mandela who said the other day sometimes players are just so good at what they do you just have to accept you’ll suffer without them regardless.

And I don’t think Partey is always press resistant, I think the Liverpool and United press found him wanting at times when we played at the Emirates. In fact outside of this season I know plenty of times when he’s been in the team where we’ve had to affect a deep block to stop being overwhelmed.

The issue is we lack defensive midfield cover, certainly without him and yes arguably with him. In relation to someone like Tielemans being brought in as cover, we have players in that position…Xhaka, Zinchenko, arguably even Lokonga. But we don’t have anyone who is as good at winning the ball. Now I accept that’s not what all Partey does, but I do think it’s the most irreplaceable facet of his game

[selassie]

Caicedo is more of a Kante type, strong engine and a great tackler. What we’d lose without Partey though is that press resistance and ability to play in tight areas. I think it was Mandela who said the other day sometimes players are just so good at what they do you just have to accept you’ll suffer without them regardless.

Aye, Caicedo looks the closest thing to Kante in terms of a "emerging talent. Me personally, if he is now the primary target and the only target we believe can fulfill the needs of the team in Partey's absence and as a long term successor then we should pay the money to secure him. It's not my money and I am not overly concerned about valuations and what not. He will cost what he costs and if he contributes to us winning a title then it will be money well spent.

I personally can't see this deal happening, we have left it too late IMO.

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And I don’t think Partey is always press resistant, I think the Liverpool and United press found him wanting at times when we played at the Emirates. In fact outside of this season I know plenty of times when he’s been in the team where we’ve had to affect a deep block to stop being overwhelmed.

The issue is we lack defensive midfield cover, certainly without him and yes arguably with him. In relation to someone like Tielemans being brought in as cover, we have players in that position…Xhaka, Zinchenko, arguably even Lokonga. But we don’t have anyone who is as good at winning the ball. Now I accept that’s not what all Partey does, but I do think it’s the most irreplaceable facet of his game
Hmmm..... Arsenal might not have players that are great at "breaking up play" or winning the ball, but again I do not believe that's Partey's strength. Decided to check opta through Sqauwka to confirm and here he is compared with Youri and Caicedo; clearly he tackles less and engages in less ground duels than both- in fact it seems the only measurable defensive traits he beats both of them in are clearances (which does not bode well in Arteta ball) and air duels.

Like people have said, its the way he gets out of the press and builds play (which is probably supported by his superior passing numbers) that stands out.
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1IAIiMDtww2lfuZLPUcL0Q8Awf-TT-aAJ
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1IFR3HfRYAG0Zl6WlUAzYvvuwNIAcWWGr

[HCZ_Reborn]

And like I said it’s not really comparing like for like. I absolutely agree that Caicedo adopts a more defensive role. And when you give up more possession than Arsenal do, you are going to have to make more tackles. Tielemans is more of a typical no 8 and Partey adopts the number 6 role.
Whether it’s his biggest function for us or not, the absence of Partey does leave the defence more exposed, and it’s not just about playing through the press it’s about interceptions (United didn’t press us on the ball at Old Trafford they just broke on us and Lokonga was nowhere)

My point is I do think we can deal without what Partey brings to us provided we have someone who can win the ball back in our own half.

[Marc Overmars]

70m bid rejected now. :lol:

Give it up lads.

[HCZ_Reborn]

70m bid rejected now. :lol:

Give it up lads.

There’s a debate going on whether we should spend 80 million on him

I mean….kind of misses the point. They don’t want to sell him in January that’s just something we need to deal with

[Marc Overmars]

It’s mad but I guess that’s the market now. Plus we’ve shown our hand and everyone knows our need for a CM, we’re not going to be getting value for money anywhere we look at this stage.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It’s mad but I guess that’s the market now. Plus we’ve shown our hand and everyone knows our need for a CM, we’re not going to be getting value for money anywhere we look at this stage.

Again it’s not about value for money, we are going to have to pay above the odds for whoever.

This is about necessity

If we offer 80 million for Caicedo, they’ll reject it…offer 90 million they’ll reject it. They don’t want to sell.

[Mac76]

inclined to agree, it doesn't sound like he's going anywhere, they're fighting for a European spot so can't strip the team away too much

I hope we're sounding out other targets at this stage

[Chippy]

inclined to agree, it doesn't sound like he's going anywhere, they're fighting for a European spot so can't strip the team away too much

I hope we're sounding out other targets at this stage
Lol. I was at an evening with "The Invincibles" on Friday night and Ray Parlour reckons Edu has his eye on three players in this window! He didn't give any names though :shrug:

[Marc Overmars]

Again it’s not about value for money, we are going to have to pay above the odds for whoever.

This is about necessity

If we offer 80 million for Caicedo, they’ll reject it…offer 90 million they’ll reject it. They don’t want to sell.

I don’t think we would have gone back if we didn’t feel something could happen. Obviously Brighton hold all the cards here but I think his head is turned. I read that his salary is a pittance by PL standards too.

It’s unlikely at this stage but I do believe money talks and if Brighton feel like he won’t be the same player for the remainder of the season they will need to consider selling. That or give him a new contract which would end our interest immediately.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don’t think we would have gone back if we didn’t feel something could happen. Obviously Brighton hold all the cards here but I think his head is turned. I read that his salary is a pittance by PL standards too.

It’s unlikely at this stage but I do believe money talks and if Brighton feel like he won’t be the same player for the remainder of the season they will need to consider selling. That or give him a new contract which would end our interest immediately.

Money does of course talk, but you have to ask yourself if they reject 70 million now are they going to accept 80 or even 90 million and my feeling is no

Going back in again suggests we believe the player wants to come to us and I think that’s not in doubt.

Yes there’s an offer at which Brighton would sell to us, but let’s just say we are no where near it. I’m talking double what we actually offered to begin with originally at a minimum

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Money does of course talk, but you have to ask yourself if they reject 70 million now are they going to accept 80 or even 90 million and my feeling is no

Going back in again suggests we believe the player wants to come to us and I think that’s not in doubt.

Yes there’s an offer at which Brighton would sell to us, but let’s just say we are no where near it. I’m talking double what we actually offered to begin with originally at a minimum

They will sell at £80m and if they don't, no one will offer more than £80m this summer, I guarantee this.

Personally, unless their is info the club is privy to that is not in the public domain, I would go for another option (first course of action) and at worst, only bid £75m as a last desperate resort.

But I agree with everyone, all signings we go for from now on will be overpriced as we have clearly shown everyone we have a large warchest and are clearly confused on how to use it.

With the way things are going I'd expect West Ham to quote us £140m for Rice in the summer.

What great transfer Tsars we have!

[selassie]

I don’t think we would have gone back if we didn’t feel something could happen. Obviously Brighton hold all the cards here but I think his head is turned. I read that his salary is a pittance by PL standards too.

It’s unlikely at this stage but I do believe money talks and if Brighton feel like he won’t be the same player for the remainder of the season they will need to consider selling. That or give him a new contract which would end our interest immediately.

I think this too, but I also think we don't cover ourselves in glory with our add 5mill on top type bids when going back.

Brighton tend to always say the player is not for sale until they receive a suitable offer in their eyes, they did it with Ben White, did it with Cucurella in the summer when dealing with Man City and then eventually Chelsea where he went. They kind of did it with Trossard too...though to a lesser extent.

The Caicedo situation is really delicate for all parties involved, he clearly wants the move, they would prefer not to lose him now, we obviously have a ceiling limit on what we will offer for him. It is anyone's guess what happens next. I don't think this saga is totally over yet.

[HCZ_Reborn]

They will sell at £80m and if they don't, no one will offer more than £80m this summer, I guarantee this.

Personally, unless their is info the club is privy to that is not in the public domain, I would go for another option (first course of action) and at worst, only bid £75m as a last desperate resort.

But I agree with everyone, all signings we go for from now on will be overpriced as we have clearly shown everyone we have a large warchest and are clearly confused on how to use it.

With the way things are going I'd expect West Ham to quote us £140m for Rice in the summer.

What great transfer Tsars we have!

If the argument is if we think they will sell for 80million should we bid 80 million? Yeah if we’ve already bid 70 million it’s kind of a no brainier.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t bid 80 million, I just don’t believe they will sell at that amount. And you’re right they absolutely won’t get more than 80million (or probably as much as 80 million for him) in the summer. What they will have is a bigger likelihood of getting European football and therefore that inducement to offer anyone who they bring in to replace him in the summer.

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If the argument is if we think they will sell for 80million should we bid 80 million? Yeah if we’ve already bid 70 million it’s kind of a no brainier.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t bid 80 million, I just don’t believe they will sell at that amount. And you’re right they absolutely won’t get more than 80million (or probably as much as 80 million for him) in the summer. What they will have is a bigger likelihood of getting European football and therefore that inducement to offer anyone who they bring in to replace him in the summer.

The most annoying thing about this whole thing is we waited this late to show our hand for the one position everyone knew was our Achilles heel.

Its really strange the way we do things but you can't accuse us of not being consistent though....I mean others rightly predicted this state of affairs.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The most annoying thing about this whole thing is we waited this late to show our hand for the one position everyone knew was our Achilles heel.

Its really strange the way we do things but you can't accuse us of not being consistent though....I mean others rightly predicted this state of affairs.

If I were to guess at their motivations I believe that they think Partey with Elneny as a backup is sufficient. You disagree, for what it’s worth I disagree. I think a week or so ago they had no intention of bringing in another midfielder and were keeping their powder dry for the summer.

What appears to have forced their hand is that Elneny looks to be out for the remainder of the season (or at least this is what I’ve heard). The move for Douglas Luiz was made in the belief that both Partey and Elneny would be out for longer than they actually were.

Again id have prioritised a central midfielder come what May (but then I’d have prioritised a striker as well) but this is me looking at what appears to be Arteta and the club’s way of looking at the situation

[Marc Overmars]

Marquinhos is off to Norwich on loan.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Marquinhos is off to Norwich on loan.

So I saw, he does look a bit raw for the premier league and for a club with promotion aspirations I think it’s a good move to get minutes under his belt. Good luck to him

[Mac76]

:popcorn:

https://www.onlinegooner.com/articles/view/arsenal-launch-third-bid-for-moises-caicedo-with-gunners-set-to-smash-club-transfer-record

[Chippy]

:popcorn:

https://www.onlinegooner.com/articles/view/arsenal-launch-third-bid-for-moises-caicedo-with-gunners-set-to-smash-club-transfer-record
https://www.sportbible.com/football/arsenal-moises-caicedo-chelsea-brighton-transfer-news-902816-20230130<_<

[Mac76]

https://www.sportbible.com/football/arsenal-moises-caicedo-chelsea-brighton-transfer-news-902816-20230130<_<

those photos - Caicedo saying - "there's no way i want to play for that guy" :lol:

[Marc Overmars]

Chelsea have bid the 105m release clause for Enzo Fernandez and they’re close to agreeing terms.

They’ve basically bought an entire team in one window. Fucking mental expenditure.

[GP]

The good news is, Ornstein says we're taking Jorginho off their hands.


:ilt:

[HCZ_Reborn]

The good news is, Ornstein says we're taking Jorginho off their hands.


:ilt:


Actually wouldn’t have a problem with that as a stop gap measure. Legs have gone a bit but as a backup for Partey clearly better than Elneny

[Marc Overmars]

Presume that would be no more than an 18 month deal. Would make sense.

We’ve seen enough Chelsea cast offs here though.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Presume that would be no more than an 18 month deal. Would make sense.

We’ve seen enough Chelsea cast offs here though.

Yeah but so what? Essentially we are looking for someone to provide back up to one of our key players. The only downside I can see is wouldn’t Jorginho be cup tied for Europa league?

[Chippy]

Actually wouldn’t have a problem with that as a stop gap measure. Legs have gone a bit but as a backup for Partey clearly better than Elneny

I would. Especially if it was our plan B for Moises. FFS!

[HCZ_Reborn]

I would. Especially if it was our plan B for Moises. FFS!

Caicedo would be a long term signing of the kind we can make in the summer with more options and time. At the moment we need back up for Partey

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The good news is, Ornstein says we're taking Jorginho off their hands.


:ilt:

I'd take Kante everyday of the week over this glorified Denilson...just my thoughts anyway.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I'd take Kante everyday of the week over this glorified Denilson...just my thoughts anyway.

A glorified Denilson who was one of the key players for Italy when they won the Euros less than two years ago. Jesus the whinging of some people . Someone with loads of premier league experience, who we can rest Partey for in the less demanding games.

[Letters]

Chelsea have bid the 105m release clause for Enzo Fernandez and they’re close to agreeing terms.

They’ve basically bought an entire team in one window. Fucking mental expenditure.

Financial Fair Play :haha:
Honestly, what's the point?

[selassie]

A glorified Denilson who was one of the key players for Italy when they won the Euros less than two years ago. Jesus the whinging of some people . Someone with loads of premier league experience, who we can rest Partey for in the less demanding games.

Jorginho is on his last legs. He will come on high wages too, what does he even add to our team?

Chelsea must be rubbing their hands, they look set to sell us a "clapped out" player, whilst they refresh their midfield with world class young talent, they will probably sign Caicedo tomorrow too.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/30/chelsea-enzo-fernandez-bid-105m-english-transfer-record-benfica?CMP=share_btn_tw

[HCZ_Reborn]

Jorginho is on his last legs. He will come on high wages too, what does he even add to our team?

Chelsea must be rubbing their hands, they look set to sell us a "clapped out" player, whilst they refresh their midfield with world class young talent, they will probably sign Caicedo tomorrow too.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/30/chelsea-enzo-fernandez-bid-105m-english-transfer-record-benfica?CMP=share_btn_tw

What does he add to the team? Backup which is what we need

Who gives a fuck who Chelsea sign. They are going to be in a position where they won’t be able to play some of these players in the premier league because of squad size.

They aren’t even going to finish in the top four, and they are spending their way to financial ruination. Frankly the way they are going if they do sign Caicedo we can both him and Mudryk off them two years down the line when they have to hold a fire sale.

[selassie]

Caicedo would be a long term signing of the kind we can make in the summer with more options and time. At the moment we need back up for Partey

I don't think we are capable of completing these high profile deals for young players. We couldn't complete the Mudryk deal, can't complete the Caicedo deal, I have been reading Chelsea are going back in for Caicedo tomorrow, I bet you if they do they will sign Caicedo tomorrow.

All this talk of us going for Rice in the Summer, not a chance we sign him if other big clubs are in the mix.

[selassie]

What does he add to the team? Backup which is what we need

Who gives a fuck who Chelsea sign. They are going to be in a position where they won’t be able to play some of these players in the premier league because of squad size.

They aren’t even going to finish in the top four, and they are spending their way to financial ruination. Frankly the way they are going if they do sign Caicedo we can both him and Mudryk off them two years down the line when they have to hold a fire sale.

He is on his last legs and will come on high wages, we have been burnt before with Chelsea cast offs, I don't want us going anywhere near him. We will be stuck with him on high wages and he will be near impossible to move on.

I don't care about who Chelsea sign, but it disappoints me when we spend the best part of this window messing about not securing our primary targets only for them to swoop in and sign them instantly.

[HCZ_Reborn]

He is on his last legs and will come on high wages, we have been burnt before with Chelsea cast offs, I don't want us going anywhere near him. We will be stuck with him on high wages and he will be near impossible to move on.

I don't care about who Chelsea sign, but it disappoints me when we spend the best part of this window messing about not securing our primary targets only for them to swoop in and sign them instantly.

Again it depends on the length of the contract, if we sign him on a five year contract then yeah obviously that would be fucking stupid. But his contract runs out end of the season, get him for a nominal fee offer him decent wages until the end of the season…he fucks off back to Italy we’ve had experienced cover for our most important player.

Chelsea probably don’t have the squad space to sign Caicedo, they might have to sell players or send them out on loan just to bring in Fernandez.

[HCZ_Reborn]

And PSG are in talks to sign Hakim Ziyech which tells you that Chelsea are already trying to free up squad space

[selassie]

Again it depends on the length of the contract, if we sign him on a five year contract then yeah obviously that would be fucking stupid. But his contract runs out end of the season, get him for a nominal fee offer him decent wages until the end of the season…he fucks off back to Italy we’ve had experienced cover for our most important player.

Chelsea probably don’t have the squad space to sign Caicedo, they might have to sell players or send them out on loan just to bring in Fernandez.

I don't think Chelsea will be doing us any favours if we pursue Jorginho, they will try and take us to the cleaners with the fee irrespective of his contract length. Not only that, but I don't think he is even suitable for our team, he is absolutely nothing like Partey, he is slow, struggles to beat the press and can't tackle.

I would have been for it a couple of years ago when we were trying to fix the team, but we are in a different phase now and he is absolutely on the wane now. I would rather we persist with Sambi than bring in Jorginho and i am being deadly serious.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don't think Chelsea will be doing us any favours if we pursue Jorginho, they will try and take us to the cleaners with the fee irrespective of his contract length. Not only that, but I don't think he is even suitable for our team, he is absolutely nothing like Partey, he is slow, struggles to beat the press and can't tackle.

I would have been for it a couple of years ago when we were trying to fix the team, but we are in a different phase now and he is absolutely on the wane now. I would rather we persist with Sambi than bring in Jorginho and i am being deadly serious.


I’m sure you are but that’s an utterly ridiculous point of view. Jorginho is an experienced player who can play defensive midfield or a deep lying playmaker role. Sambi Lokonga is a league one level player

[selassie]

I’m sure you are but that’s an utterly ridiculous point of view. Jorginho is an experienced player who can play defensive midfield or a deep lying playmaker role. Sambi Lokonga is a league one level player

Yeah and we could be in the same situation as Liverpool come this time next season by having to rebuild our entire Midfield. The Midfield is experienced enough, we need young talent in there.

[Mac76]

If we get Jorginho on a one-and-a-half-year contract and he's a backup option then I can live with it if there's no better option - it's not perfect but neither is it a Willian or Luiz situation where they were nailed-on starters

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yeah and we could be in the same situation as Liverpool come this time next season by having to rebuild our entire Midfield. The Midfield is experienced enough, we need young talent in there.

We are going to have to do that regardless.

Jorginho as I keep repeatedly saying is a signing for this season to provide experienced backup

[selassie]

We are going to have to do that regardless.

Jorginho as I keep repeatedly saying is a signing for this season to provide experienced backup

Yeah and we are going to need to address it rather than kicking the can down the road with a “he’ll kind of do a job” type signing.

Who said anything about him coming as a starter? That’s not even my point. My point is a midfield of Jorginho & Xhaka when and if Partey isn’t available is laughable. My point is that Jorginho will command hefty wages. I also think we are a bit naive if we think he is going to want to come in on a short term contract, especially considering he has 6 months left on his current deal. Chelsea are not extending him and are happy for him to leave for a reason.

I don’t mind us signing experienced players who I think can genuinely benefit the team right now, I personally don’t think Jorginho falls into that bracket. He screams panic buy to me.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yeah and we are going to need to address it rather than kicking the can down the road with a “he’ll kind of do a job” type signing.

Who said anything about him coming as a starter? That’s not even my point. My point is a midfield of Jorginho & Xhaka when and if Partey isn’t available is laughable. My point is that Jorginho will command hefty wages. I also think we are a bit naive if we think he is going to want to come in on a short term contract, especially considering he has 6 months left on his current deal. Chelsea are not extending him and are happy for him to leave for a reason.

I don’t mind us signing experienced players who I think can genuinely benefit the team right now, I personally don’t think Jorginho falls into that bracket. He screams panic buy to me.


It is a panic buy, there’s no point pretending otherwise but so is spending 80 million on Caicedo.

And if it’s the Europa league I don’t give a flying fuck if Jorginho and Xhaka are our midfield

[Marc Overmars]

In fairness Jorginho is someone we’ve had interest in in the past so I’m sure he would fit into the system well.

Underwhelming for sure but needs must. I’d rather have him on board than not.

There’s a title to win here after all.

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We are going to have to do that regardless.

Jorginho as I keep repeatedly saying is a signing for this season to provide experienced backup

:) To think you were so against Trossard and January for the same reasons.

Anyway, I am a bit 50 - 50 on this and leaning more towards persisting with Sambi than another expired Chelsea reject. Would only make a bit of sense on the shortest of contracts and a less than 8m transfer fee ( like you suggested earlier ) but I doubt the club will be able to even achieve that!

A shame though that our youth system is producing great forward players (Balogun scored again against PSG yesterday) and we are struggling for defensive minded players given our history in that department, in fact struggling to think of any good ones we've produced in the last 10 years.

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Yeah and we are going to need to address it rather than kicking the can down the road with a “he’ll kind of do a job” type signing.

Who said anything about him coming as a starter? That’s not even my point. My point is a midfield of Jorginho & Xhaka when and if Partey isn’t available is laughable. My point is that Jorginho will command hefty wages. I also think we are a bit naive if we think he is going to want to come in on a short term contract, especially considering he has 6 months left on his current deal. Chelsea are not extending him and are happy for him to leave for a reason.

I don’t mind us signing experienced players who I think can genuinely benefit the team right now, I personally don’t think Jorginho falls into that bracket. He screams panic buy to me.

Didn't see this earlier :gp:

Must say we may be damaging the harmony in our club with all this panicking.

We have Sambi and Zinchenko, poor options but surely we've come this far without looking this embarrassing and needy.

Not sure this signing is worth it.... though I might not be thinking coherently, as giving Chelsea more money is really rubbing me the wrong way.

[Marc Overmars]

He’s agreed terms. Just the fee to be finalised.

Best Italian the PL has ever seen tbf.

[GP]

It's apparently a 1.5 year contract with a 1year option. Pretty relaxed about it tbh. As long as he never takes a penalty.

[Marc Overmars]

Fee is 12m. Small change really.

Hopefully he does the job for now and we go back for Caicedo in the summer. Or maybe go after Rice.

Sensible deal all round I’d say.

[Mac76]

It's apparently a 1.5 year contract with a 1year option. Pretty relaxed about it tbh. As long as he never takes a penalty.

and a cost of £11m with £2m add-ons which doesn't seem too bad in today's market

a good deal IMO if it just shores us up a bit in some games and provides cover.

even though i know he's another old git from Chelsea, it's not a Willian or Luiz style signing

maybe he can also teach Sambi a thing or two...

[HCZ_Reborn]

:) To think you were so against Trossard and January for the same reasons.

Anyway, I am a bit 50 - 50 on this and leaning more towards persisting with Sambi than another expired Chelsea reject. Would only make a bit of sense on the shortest of contracts and a less than 8m transfer fee ( like you suggested earlier ) but I doubt the club will be able to even achieve that!

A shame though that our youth system is producing great forward players (Balogun scored again against PSG yesterday) and we are struggling for defensive minded players given our history in that department, in fact struggling to think of any good ones we've produced in the last 10 years.

Because I didn’t see a winger as a necessity in the same way a midfielder is (especially in light of losing Elneny)

Mudryk seemed to me more of an investment in the future, and in a way Caicedo would have been as well (although as I said I just did not see Brighton selling under any circumstance)

[HCZ_Reborn]

maybe he can also teach Sambi a thing or two...

Directions to the airport would be the best thing he could teach him

[selassie]

Fee is 12m. Small change really.

Hopefully he does the job for now and we go back for Caicedo in the summer. Or maybe go after Rice.

Sensible deal all round I’d say.

Do you honestly have faith in us to complete a high profile deal in the Summer for either Caicedo or Rice? I certainly don't. Most of the high profile deals we have completed over the past few years have fallen in our lap so to speak, when we are up against other clubs we very rarely complete the deal and it's becoming a bit of an issue IMO.

Like all signings, I will get behind Jorginho and the plus side is that his contract is short so it's not as bad as I orginally thought.

[Marc Overmars]

Do you honestly have faith in us to complete a high profile deal in the Summer for either Caicedo or Rice? I certainly don't. Most of the high profile deals we have completed over the past few years have fallen in our lap so to speak, when we are up against other clubs we very rarely complete the deal and it's becoming a bit of an issue IMO.

Like all signings, I will get behind Jorginho and the plus side is that his contract is short so it's not as bad as I orginally thought.

Well we certainly stand a better chance of landing Plan A signings in the summer than we do in the last week of January! Brighton hold all the cards with Caicedo so there wasn’t really much more we could do right now. Our position in the market is weak due to our need for players and the fat wad of cash everyone knows is burning a hole.

Jorginho is obviously a Plan B but if we had not brought someone in the club would have faced huge criticism.

If you think about it, we’ve signed a CB, CM and forward this window. At least they’ve made an attempt to address the depth issues.

[selassie]

Well we certainly stand a better chance of landing Plan A signings in the summer than we do in the last week of January! Brighton hold all the cards with Caicedo so there wasn’t really much more we could do right now. Our position in the market is weak due to our need for players and the fat wad of cash everyone knows is burning a hole.

Jorginho is obviously a Plan B but if we had not brought someone in the club would have faced huge criticism.

If you think about it, we’ve signed a CB, CM and forward this window. At least they’ve made an attempt to address the depth issues.

For sure we have improved the depth of the squad with decent-ish additions. I take your point about not being able to complete the Caicedo deal in the January window for obvious reasons....however what is going to stop the same thing happening in the Summer when we pursue Rice or Caicedo along with the likes of presumeably Chelsea, United and Liverpool? I am skeptical for the simple reason we totally botched the Mudryk deal, we had been speaking to him and his agents for quite a while yet still failed to complete the deal. I guess it will be just a case of wait and see....but I would hope either one of those players (Rice or Caicedo) is signed in the Summer or someone of that ilk.

[Mac76]

For sure we have improved the depth of the squad with decent-ish additions. I take your point about not being able to complete the Caicedo deal in the January window for obvious reasons....however what is going to stop the same thing happening in the Summer when we pursue Rice or Caicedo along with the likes of presumeably Chelsea, United and Liverpool? I am skeptical for the simple reason we totally botched the Mudryk deal, we had been speaking to him and his agents for quite a while yet still failed to complete the deal. I guess it will be just a case of wait and see....but I would hope either one of those players (Rice or Caicedo) is signed in the Summer or someone of that ilk.

In the summer we will hopefully be a more attractive proposition - things are going well right now but we haven't sealed anything yet - but in the summer if we're PL winners or close runners-up and in the CL spots, we will be a stronger prospecct.

Also wasn't the Mudryk thing slighlty led astray by Shaktar wanting to sell him to a former Russian-owned club and parade the Ukrainian flag around Stamford Bridge? I really don't think the player was happy about it

[selassie]

In the summer we will hopefully be a more attractive proposition - things are going well right now but we haven't sealed anything yet - but in the summer if we're PL winners or close runners-up and in the CL spots, we will be a stronger prospecct.

Also wasn't the Mudryk thing slighlty led astray by Shaktar wanting to sell him to a former Russian-owned club and parade the Ukrainian flag around Stamford Bridge? I really don't think the player was happy about it

Yeah for sure, I do agree we will be a more attractive proposition as PL winners or even runners up.

With Mudryk, I get the feeling we p*ssed off Shaktar by messing around with our bids, we were obviously hedging our bets on the player being so unsettled and so keen to come that we thought we could get him in way below their valuation. By the time we wised up, Chelsea came in and did the deal.

The Caicedo deal is different, I totally understand that they don't want to sell and that we basically left it too late. Maybe we will revisit it in the summer.

[Mac76]

Directions to the airport would be the best thing he could teach him

:lol:

apparently Lokonga is going to Palace on loan, where he'll either help them to relegation or turn into the best player we've ever seen...

[Marc Overmars]

:lol:

apparently Lokonga is going to Palace on loan, where he'll either help them to relegation or turn into the best player we've ever seen...

Hopefully Vieira can boot him into shape.

[IBK]

I'm finding that I agree with a lot of the arguments here - both for and against Jorginho!

On balance - an underwhelming signing, but if it seems desperate that's because we are! Obviously Elneny's injury took the club by surprise, and I guess at least we have responded to this. Caceido always a difficult call - but I can see why we tried as this was a more long term play.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I'm finding that I agree with a lot of the arguments here - both for and against Jorginho!

On balance - an underwhelming signing, but if it seems desperate that's because we are! Obviously Elneny's injury took the club by surprise, and I guess at least we have responded to this. Caceido always a difficult call - but I can see why we tried as this was a more long term play.


Exactly this, Jorginho is definitely underwhelming because it’s felt that for a while that we want to build a good young side that can not only get us over the line this season but can compete on all fronts in the future.

Caicedo was the dry aged wagyu steak, Jorginho is a McDonalds value meal

But when we hunger for a midfielder to keep us ticking over to the end of the season…someone who is old but has decent stats is a more than acceptable sticking plaster

Yes there is also the anger at paying Chelsea for one of their players when yes we’ve had a mixed at best past with ex Chelsea players and they essentially stole Mudryk from us. But that’s an emotional evaluation

If Elneny hadn’t got injured we would have not signed anyone in midfield (a definite mistake in my view) but parsing it in those terms to get in cover who for me is easily better than Elneny…is not the worst days work ever.

[HCZ_Reborn]

For sure we have improved the depth of the squad with decent-ish additions. I take your point about not being able to complete the Caicedo deal in the January window for obvious reasons....however what is going to stop the same thing happening in the Summer when we pursue Rice or Caicedo along with the likes of presumeably Chelsea, United and Liverpool? I am skeptical for the simple reason we totally botched the Mudryk deal, we had been speaking to him and his agents for quite a while yet still failed to complete the deal. I guess it will be just a case of wait and see....but I would hope either one of those players (Rice or Caicedo) is signed in the Summer or someone of that ilk.

That we won’t find out until the summer

Having champions league as a bare minimum which Liverpool or Chelsea are not exactly looking in the best place to get will give us hopefully better negotiating power. But ultimately it’s hard to tell if it’s Edu or the Kroenkes who are responsible for whether the deal fails. I’m of the opinion that Caicedo if we are still interested in him will probably be able to get him cheaper in the summer but either way we need to use that time to identify players of his calibre so we have multiple options.

Our midfield is all thirty or about to turn 30 and I think that absolutely needs to be addressed in the summer, and i absolutely believe it should already have happened so as to avoid the necessity for sticking plasters like Jorginho. But I live in the world of what is, not what should and it’s undeniable that judging this January transfer window on its own merits…we’ve strengthened the squad

Also you have to ask yourself the following, Chelsea who have been doing Brewsters millions on steroids went to 55million for Caicedo, when that was rejected they didn’t go in again. There are two possible reasons for this, a) they didn’t value him any higher or b) they knew Brighton weren’t going to sell

[Marc Overmars]

The club has confirmed Elneny has had surgery on his knee and no time scale given on his return.

Certainly explains the last minute dash.

[Mac76]

The club has confirmed Elneny has had surgery on his knee and no time scale given on his return.

Certainly explains the last minute dash.

yeah, kind of odd to make it public today though - "Hey everybody, we're really desperate to shore up our midfield..."

[Marc Overmars]

yeah, kind of odd to make it public today though - "Hey everybody, we're really desperate to shore up our midfield..."

Guess they wanted to keep it under wraps until a replacement was bought. Would have made our negotiating position a lot weaker and it was already weak to begin with. :lol:

[Mac76]

Guess they wanted to keep it under wraps until a replacement was bought. Would have made our negotiating position a lot weaker and it was already weak to begin with. :lol:

but we haven't yet have we - or is Jorginho definitely a done deal?

[Marc Overmars]

but we haven't yet have we - or is Jorginho definitely a done deal?

By all accounts it is done.

Sure the club will announce it later.

[HCZ_Reborn]

but we haven't yet have we - or is Jorginho definitely a done deal?

Yes, few agreed and he’s had a medical. So it’s just about announcing

[Mac76]

Yes, few agreed and he’s had a medical. So it’s just about announcing

"few agreed" but we're still signing him? ;)

[HCZ_Reborn]

"few agreed" but we're still signing him? ;)

Don’t mock my typo, it’s unbecoming :sulk:

[Mac76]

:lol:

[GP]

https://i.imgur.com/tfHT5f0.png

It's done.

[Chippy]

https://i.imgur.com/tfHT5f0.png

It's done.

Great.
And yes, that was an underwhelming sarky comment :sulk:

[Chippy]

Confirmed that Caicedo will not be coming to us in this window. Bloody annoying really.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Confirmed that Caicedo will not be coming to us in this window. Bloody annoying really.

I could have told you that days ago saved you a lot of heartache

My attitude is Caicedo would have been a lovely marquee signing and therefore I can understand the disappointment. But when Brighton have lost Cucurella, Trossard and Maupay (as well as Mwepu to retirement) you’d have to prise a player like that from their cold dead hands. I also refer people back to the fact that Chelsea bid 55 million for him but chose not to pursue any further once they were rebuffed. So either they felt he wasn’t worth more (and this is a club that has spent over 100 million on a winger from Benfica based on little more than a nice goal scored in the World Cup) or they realised that that the club weren’t going to sell (which I think is more likely, with Fernandez they had to trigger a cause in his contract)

[Letters]

I don’t think we needed a marquee signing in this window. What we needed was some squad depth and we’ve added that so I’m content enough

[Mac76]

I don’t think we needed a marquee signing in this window. What we needed was some squad depth and we’ve added that so I’m content enough

Yeah we've certainly shored up the squad and it gives me more confidence we can field decent sides through the rest of the season

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don’t think we needed a marquee signing in this window. What we needed was some squad depth and we’ve added that so I’m content enough

No but as I say if you are tempted by the prospect of something exciting and that fails to materialise it’s reasonable to feel disappointed. Now I personally think the reaction has been over the top (although to be fair less on here and more on Arsenal social media in general…lot of fans unable to emotionally self regulate) but as IBK the perennial voice of reason on here (which sounds backhanded and sarcastic but actually for once I mean it sincerely) points out it’s reasonable to be underwhelmed by Jorginho after thinking we could sign Caicedo.

We are all prone to it to an extent, my older Brother and I are often just as bad as each other. He definitely is not happy with the Jorginho signing…this is the most petulant he’s been on a football related matter since Croatia knocked Brazil out of the World Cup (I mean who gives a fuck, it’s not like he even wanted Brazil to win)

There hasn’t been been a summer or a transfer window in my time as a fan where I’ve not felt we could do better or feel slightly disappointed.

Could be worse, could be Liverpool fans and reply to a tweet about a Hillsborough memorial with “sign a fucking midfielder” stay classy lads

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Jorginho. :bow:

Always rated him.




Nah I can't even pretend on this one, always thought he was the target in a big game and often was overrun.

Hopefully we don't have to use him much in those games.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Lokonga being binned off to Palace on loan?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Jorginho. :bow:

Always rated him.




Nah I can't even pretend on this one, always thought he was the target in a big game and often was overrun.

Hopefully we don't have to use him much in those games.

Fair…I’ve had similar thoughts…but I was very impressed with him in the Euros (of course very different to playing in the league) but I would agree that I hope we don’t have to rely on him…and that actually we are able to use him to take the pressure off Partey (sub him on if we think the game is won etc) which is no worse really than how I expected we would utilise Elneny

[Mac76]

Lokonga being binned off to Palace on loan?

Looks like it yes

[Marc Overmars]

Official now.

Chelsea fans seem frustrated at losing him but that’s probably more about selling to us and the fear of it helping us win the league, rather than losing a player that was of use to them.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Looks like it yes

Hopefully Vieira can sort him out.

[Mac76]

Watching Jorginho's interview, where he talks about wanting to help the club, and reading Arteta's and Edu's comments about how he will 'contribute', I think everyone's got their eyes open here and there's no unrealistic expectations, it all seems fine to me, with all he's won it will surely help us keep a winning mentality in place if nothing else

[Letters]

No but as I say if you are tempted by the prospect of something exciting and that fails to materialise it’s reasonable to feel disappointed.
Sure. Personally I didn't have any real expectation of us in this window. A couple of big deals fell through and that is disappointing but overall it exceeded my expectations and I think we've done pretty good business. Had we done nothing we'd have had no chance of the title, now I believe we've given ourselves a decent chance by adding a bit of depth.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Chelsea will be getting Fernandez over the line it seems.

£105 million.

Incredible amount spent in January.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Sure. Personally I didn't have any real expectation of us in this window. A couple of big deals fell through and that is disappointing but overall it exceeded my expectations and I think we've done pretty good business. Had we done nothing we'd have had no chance of the title, now I believe we've given ourselves a decent chance by adding a bit of depth.

I’m talking specifically about having the prospect of signing Caicedo dangled in front of us. For what it’s worth I do fully remember you saying you didn’t expect us to do much if anything in this window some time ago.

But my disappointment is of course contextual, that we bid for Caicedo raised the prospect of us signing him and that would have been a coup. At the beginning of the window I felt most of all we needed cover for Partey (mainly because I didn’t think Elneny was sufficient) and I guess to that end we’ve done that.

I think also there is this argument in regards to how effective we are at getting the big deals over the line, in regard to Mudryk and in regard to Caicedo.

I don’t know personally I feel it made sense to walk away from Mudryk, and for all the “money talks” stuff being mooted on here…I just don’t think Brighton were prepared to sell being unable to secure a replacement for him themselves.

But Edu looking at it objectively has seemed to be a bit hit and miss, whether that’s down to him, whether that’s down to the Kroenkes being controlling with the purse strings (we know that the self sustaining model is dead and buried and that KSE is financing our transfer business)

Looking back on where we were a month ago yeah we’ve improved the squad no doubt, but in the context of potentially bringing in an excellent young midfielder into our team under the noses of Chelsea and that not materialising…yeah that’s a disappointment

[Chippy]

Chelsea will be getting Fernandez over the line it seems.

£105 million.

Incredible amount spent in January.
Is Financial fair play still a thing? FFS!

[Ralpheroo72]

https://i.imgur.com/tfHT5f0.png

It's done.

Those chairs look shit

[Xhaka Can’t]

Is Financial fair play still a thing? FFS!

It never was


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[HCZ_Reborn]

I make it just shy of 280 million that Chelsea have spent this winter

Largely it has to be said on unproven players.

Does Todd Boehly have undiagnosed bipolar because this is the kind of reckless debt accruing spending that someone who is in the high/manic phase would be undertaking

[Marc Overmars]

I think the whole footballing world is united in hope that it backfires tremendously. Imagine having that many unhappy players stuck on 8 year contracts.

[Letters]

Those chairs look shit

:haha:

Arteta OUT!

[Letters]

I’m talking specifically about having the prospect of signing Caicedo dangled in front of us.
A factor for me is I don't really football these days. I mean, I know most of our squad and obviously I know the bigger players at the bigger clubs. But beyond that. I've never heard of Caicedo. I guess I was a bit excited about him by proxy because of some of you guys and other things I'd heard about him, but I don't follow it enough these days to really know who most of these guys are. Compare on contrast when in the wake of the 1992 Euro's I remember telling my dad with breathless excitement that we'd just signed the Danish bloke who scored the winner :lol: :doh:

There were certainly disappointments in this window, we twice failed to get big deals over the line. But the positive is there were clear back up plans and overall I'm content enough with the business we've done. Again, I don't really know who these guys are but from things I've read, and Trossard looks handy from the glimpses I've seen.

[Marc Overmars]

Sometimes it’s easy to forget we don’t have a bottomless pit of cash like other clubs do. If we can’t get what we want then the next best thing is to be smart and creative in the market and I think we’ve done that. We needed depth and we’ve added better options in light areas.

Will it be enough to take us to the title? Who knows but even with a Mudryk or Caicedo on board I don’t think there would have been any guarantees because of the fact City are just very good and won’t go away.

The main thing is that we didn’t make the same mistake as last year by leaving the squad wafer thin.

I’m sure we’ll come again with the big money for marquee signings in the summer anyway.

[Chippy]

Those chairs look shit
I work as a facility manager and thought the same thing :lol:

[Letters]

Chelsea have spent €611.49m this season and recouped €67.83m

:wacko:

[IBK]

Sometimes it’s easy to forget we don’t have a bottomless pit of cash like other clubs do. If we can’t get what we want then the next best thing is to be smart and creative in the market and I think we’ve done that. We needed depth and we’ve added better options in light areas.

Will it be enough to take us to the title? Who knows but even with a Mudryk or Caicedo on board I don’t think there would have been any guarantees because of the fact City are just very good and won’t go away.

The main thing is that we didn’t make the same mistake as last year by leaving the squad wafer thin.

I’m sure we’ll come again with the big money for marquee signings in the summer anyway.

Yes - with you on this. To HCZ's points about whether Edu is lacking in getting transfers over the line, it obvious why people are questioning the club, but I think its unfair for fans (not HCZ) to judge too harshly on the ones who got away. We are not Chelsea who had their debt wiped by an oligarch, and therefore have unlimited funds simply to outbid a competitor at the last - or to pay such stupid money that a fellow EPL cub will sell a prized asset. Clearly the club thought that there was an opportunity to get both marquee signings, and tried. But there must have been a red line with Mudryk and Arsenal can't do anything when faced with a Brighton that was simply not prepared to sell.

As others say, at least we had Plan B's that were clearly considered - albeit underwhelming ones - and our powder remains dry for the Summer. For me this shows that the club has learned from previous mistakes, while treading the difficult line between aspiration and common sense. If we win, or are even narrowly pipped for the league, noone sensible will question our January business.

[IBK]

Also, I want to mention the effect of leaks on the impression given of the club. I am not sure that people would feel unhappy about Arsenal's transfer negotiations if they weren't played out so publicly. There is undoubtedly a narrative in the press that we can't get deals over the line that I think is a bit unfair, given (1) we are compared to competitors for whom money is simply no object, and (2) there are few clubs who have been as successful with transfers for the past year and a half.

Make no mistake, the leaks don't come from Arsenal. We may be to blame for pissing Shaktar off (and who doesn't tap up players these days?), but they were delighted to play us out in public, and Brighton stood to gain by pushing up the value of a player in full view of a feverish deadline day press pack that still, in part, wants to see us fail.

We have all seen how Edu's preferred approach is for signings to happen without fanfare. If stories of our January 'failures' had come out after the business we have done, I'm not so sure that the club would be regarded as failing the window.

[mandela8]

Did I just report a post instead of posting my own :haha:

I ain't typing that oot again.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Did I just report a post instead of posting my own :haha:

I ain't typing that oot again.

The faint glimmerings of self awareness

[Letters]

Did I just report a post instead of posting my own :haha:

I ain't typing that oot again.

You did, you wazzock. This is what you wrote:


If someone told me Arsenal would reinforce CB, DM and out wide I'd have been very happy. If they'd named Trossard, Jorginho and a young promising big lad at the big I'd also have been very happy.

As it stands, they missed out on two hugely talented young players who'd have been the future of the club, which leaves a sour taste in the mouth.

Pretty weird situation but trying to take a step back and be objective...it's a very good January window, imo/fact.

[Mac76]

TBH I was always surprised they were going for big-ticket players when i thought the need was more about shoring the squad in the way we actually have ended up doing.

I guess we had to go for Mudryk while we could but we have a lot of talented players, it was backup we needed.

So I'm happy with this window- our biggest weakness was lack of squad depth and all three of the signings have improved that in important positions. I'm particularly pleased with Trossard.

Also we shipped out Cedric on loan which can't be bad :good:

[mandela8]

You did, you wazzock. This is what you wrote:

Thanks, mate.

Was very confused for a bit there.

Arsenal are better now than they were before the window started and the intent shown bodes well for the summer spending activities.

[IBK]

Thanks, mate.

Was very confused for a bit there.

Arsenal are better now than they were before the window started and the intent shown bodes well for the summer spending activities.

I agree with your post mate. Not sure we 'missed out' on Caceido though. I think it was a bold play to land him that didn't quite work as ultimately he was not for sale. As for Mudryk, I think we would probably have landed him if it wasn't for Chelsea, and the question is therefore should we be trying to go toe to toe with a club with so much cash to gamble following an almost underhand wiping off of their debt by an outgoing oligarch. The answer has to be no.

So yes - there's a degree of disappointment, but like you say seen in isolation - a solid and sensible January that is in keeping with a strategy that is paying better and quicker dividents than we would have hoped.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yeah I think the conclusion that we are better squad wise than we were on January 1st is something I think most of us can agree on. There were disappointments but ultimately it feels like we did what we needed to do.

Kiwior I have zero opinion on, but a left footed defender makes sense

Jorginho I think is not the player he was, but I think he’s better than Elneny

Trossard wouldn’t have been my first choice but I have to say, I was watching some of the goals he scored for Brighton the other day…there is a mixture of the almost nonchalant in their quality. And he makes things seem effortless

[HCZ_Reborn]

Digging this old relic up again, rather than being bothered to start a new post

The rumours are that Saka’s injury has made us decide to go into the market for an attacking player (we should have been signing one regardless of injury)

[Marc Overmars]

Hoping we can find a Trossard-like signing, an end product merchant basically

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’d like us to go for the guy who scored against us tonight. Bryan Mbueumo

[Mac76]

I'd prefer Mbeumo tbh

Other options include Mitoma, Cunha, Semenyo or Wissa, I reckon we could get some/all of those for the right price as, apart from Wolves, their sides aren't threatened with relegation

[HCZ_Reborn]

Twitter seems to be tearing itself apart in frustration over the fact that we haven’t signed anyone and don’t look likely to

It’s hard to really get a handle on what’s going on. There is the claim that part of the reason Edu left was because of the greater control Arteta had over his scope of responsibility and disagreement over the signings of both Calafiori and Merino. I’ve often expressed concern that Arteta appears to be grabbing too much power for himself, however I can’t pretend that this view is not tainted by bias.

What appears to be the case or at the least what is reported to be the case, is that transfer fees for players is less of a problem than wages. This might (and I heavily emphasise the word might) explain why we didn’t go for a striker in the summer with the 70 million spent on Calafiori and Merino…as it’s entirely possible that even their combined wages would be less than what a striker/attacking player would demand (for example it’s reported that Nico Williams wants to be put on
300k a week)

It’s hard to know whether FSR is a factor (according to Swiss Ramble not, but again given that we no longer have to publicly announce profit and loss, he is basing this on estimates) or whether the internal structures at the club are about making sure there is a cap on the overall wage bill (a system a club like Liverpool would also almost certainly have in place as well)

I think the only honest answer is I don’t know. I’m not happy if we don’t sign anyone…for me the squad itself is too thin and we simply need more goals and more creativity in the squad

[Letters]

There is the claim that part of the reason Edu left was because of the greater control Arteta had over his scope of responsibility
It's a claim Edu has quite strongly refuted.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It's a claim Edu has quite strongly refuted.

Has he?. I would of course point out that as the post should make clear that I make no claims as to its validity. The other claim made in regards to Edu is that he was headhunted by Marinakis and came to Arsenal to see if they were willing to match the financial offer that Marinakis made to him, and perhaps as it appears we were not….he being an ambitious chap took the role (which would see him oversee the transfer dealings and running of more than one club)

[Letters]

Has he?
Bah. I definitely saw something yesterday about it but now can't find it :doh:
So...I don't know now, but I saw something yesterday from him

[HCZ_Reborn]

Bah. I definitely saw something yesterday about it but now can't find it :doh:
So...I don't know now, but I saw something yesterday from him

And that was the point of the post. We don’t know…and in some ways that makes it more frustrating

[KSE Comedy Club]

I guess we will know the answer to that when Arteta's pick for sporting director gets the job or not.

[Niall_Quinn]

I guess we will know the answer to that when Arteta's pick for sporting director gets the job or not.

Yes. If Arteta is already getting to pick his boss then we know what direction we are headed because we've been there before, during the wilderness decades under the last Great Leader. I honestly can't understand how these clever men make so many things so complicated. We need a striker. DUH! Why do so many hoops need to be jumped before the obvious is obvious? I suppose everyone's bread has to be buttered before the basic bread and butter is served.

[dazthegooner]

Well another possible signing from Barca another defender…: :sarcy:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Well another possible signing from Barca another defender…: :sarcy:

Fortunately I get the impression our names are being put out there for the guy (Ronald Araujo) in order to get Juventus to cough up

[KSE Comedy Club]

And a goalkeeper apparently...


:doh:

[KSE Comedy Club]

It gets worse, this is from 'The Standard'


Arsenal 'make shock call to Man Utd over Rashford deal'
There are reports beginning to circulate this afternoon that Arsenal have made shock contact with Manchester United over a potential deal for Marcus Rashford.

Italian journalist Massimo Marianella has apparently told the ‘Calciomercato - L'originie Live’ programme on Sky Italia that the Gunners have made a call to their Premier League rivals over the wantaway England striker.

It’s even suggested that a valuation of just £25m has been placed on Rashford, although it’s not clear which club that comes from.

The plot thickens...

[HCZ_Reborn]

It gets worse, this is from 'The Standard'

Sorry that was me

I’ve been trolling football clubs with prank calls

Surprising how far I get just by bullshitting my way through

[Niall_Quinn]

Rashford would be the worst signing in the recent history of the club. At a critical time where the club could either climb back to a title, or fade into obscurity, to do another Willian, Jesus, Sterling at this crucial moment would signal there is zero ambition behind the business of the club and the business of the club is just business.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Rashford would be the worst signing in the recent history of the club. At a critical time where the club could either climb back to a title, or fade into obscurity, to do another Willian, Jesus, Sterling at this crucial moment would signal there is zero ambition behind the business of the club and the business of the club is just business.

Agreed

[HCZ_Reborn]

Personally I do think it’s a mixture of paper talk and Rashford’s brother/agent trying to sell his client

But, it would not surprise me if Arteta in his hubris thought this was a player he and he alone could get something out of

But I’m not buying that….simply because Rashford’s wages

[Mac76]

Rashford would be the worst signing in the recent history of the club. At a critical time where the club could either climb back to a title, or fade into obscurity, to do another Willian, Jesus, Sterling at this crucial moment would signal there is zero ambition behind the business of the club and the business of the club is just business.

The revisionism over Jesus goes on, the reality is that he was a genuine shot in the arm when he joined and the great start we had to the season two years ago was down to him as much as anyone.

Take away that World Cup injury he then had and I think he'd have continued to contribute more

Willian was indeed trash however, also Zin ofc, Sterlimg not great hut showed signs of promise in his last appearance, still it was a very latr appeasement signing rather than a real attempt to beef up our attack IMO

[Marc Overmars]

Rashford is probably beyond help but I do think there’s a player in there somewhere. He can be lethal on his day with that pace and ability to shoot confidently. His application is woeful though and I doubt we’d bother with the risk.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The revisionism over Jesus goes on, the reality is that he was a genuine shot in the arm when he joined and the great start we had to the season two years ago was down to him as much as anyone.

Take away that World Cup injury he then had and I think he'd have continued to contribute more

Willian was indeed trash however, also Zin ofc, Sterlimg not great hut showed signs of promise in his last appearance, still it was a very latr appeasement signing rather than a real attempt to beef up our attack IMO

Even before that World Cup certainly in terms of goals he was not producing. He had failed to score in the last six games prior to the World Cup and often his misses became a matter of mirth. Was he terrible? No he was having a role in occupying defences and creating chances for others. But arguably given we’d lost both Auba and Lacazette it wasn’t really a sufficient replacement, and given he was never prolific even at Man City it does often seem like a questionable signing

[Niall_Quinn]

The revisionism over Jesus goes on, the reality is that he was a genuine shot in the arm when he joined and the great start we had to the season two years ago was down to him as much as anyone.

Take away that World Cup injury he then had and I think he'd have continued to contribute more

Willian was indeed trash however, also Zin ofc, Sterlimg not great hut showed signs of promise in his last appearance, still it was a very latr appeasement signing rather than a real attempt to beef up our attack IMO

I meant buying offcasts. If they aren't good enough to remain and thrive at their previous clubs then why are they good enough to come here? It's not like Rice is it? Where we had to tear him away with a giant cash offer. It's like shopping in the cast-offs bin, there's a reason that stuff is in the bin. Good enough for the pub, but don't be having fancy ideas about dining at the top table with clobber like that. There was a time when rivals would come after us for our talent. Rashford gets us a reservation at Wetherspons, at best.

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Can't believe Napoli is willing to sell Kvara for a reasonable amount and as usual we happen to plead "poverty".

When will we ever get the kind of owners we deserve, this punishment has lasted for way too long :(

[HCZ_Reborn]

Kind of owners we deserve compared to who. FSG who own Liverpool have been no more generous than KSE, so ultimately it comes down to the ownership of Man United and Chelsea the only clubs who in the last five years have spent more money than us Net.
Neither exactly paragons of good ownership (well maybe Chelsea are to you)
I don’t especially like the Kroenkes but I don’t think I really can question the money they’ve put into the club for transfers over the past five years, maybe subconsciously you’re supporting Arteta by moving the blame away from him? :lol:

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Kvara, Osimhen, Lookman, Gyokeres or Mbuemo.....any of these 5 could save our season.... just get the chequebook out and damn what may!!

[Niall_Quinn]

Gyokeres - Is that the guy from Sporting.

We'd win the league with him, except he'd get injured in the first match.

[Mac76]

I meant buying offcasts. If they aren't good enough to remain and thrive at their previous clubs then why are they good enough to come here? It's not like Rice is it? Where we had to tear him away with a giant cash offer. It's like shopping in the cast-offs bin, there's a reason that stuff is in the bin. Good enough for the pub, but don't be having fancy ideas about dining at the top table with clobber like that. There was a time when rivals would come after us for our talent. Rashford gets us a reservation at Wetherspons, at best.

Sure I get the point and in general we should focus on players whose best years aren't behind them, another reason why Merion wasn't a great buy

[HCZ_Reborn]

A loan move for Dusan Vlaohovic being touted about

I’m not sure Juventus would go for this unless it’s a loan with an obligation to buy

He would definitely give us aerial presence, which I suppose would be the point as opposed to changing our style of play.

[Marc Overmars]

Beggars can’t be choosers, get him in.

[Mac76]

Right now I'd be happy if we got Steve Claridge out of retirement, the guy knows where the goal is even if he's like 50-something

[Marc Overmars]

It is confirmed that Jesus has done his ACL. So I guess we are stuck with him for another year at least.

This season. :haha:

It is incredible how we’ve gone from a robust squad with minimal injury set backs to the state we’re in now.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It is confirmed that Jesus has done his ACL. So I guess we are stuck with him for another year at least.

This season. :haha:

I don’t think he will play for us again, or at least I hope he won’t. I’ve said for a while we should have been leaving Visit Saudi Arabia holiday brochures around the training ground like breadcrumbs.

But I’m happy for the club to work towards his rehabilitation to make it possible to get him off the wage bill as soon as humanly possible. In my view, he’s the 2020s version of Chamakh

[IBK]

It is confirmed that Jesus has done his ACL. So I guess we are stuck with him for another year at least.

This season. :haha:

It is incredible how we’ve gone from a robust squad with minimal injury set backs to the state we’re in now.

The worst possible scenario. Stuck with a player on £265,000 per week (2nd highest on the cub), taking up squad space and suppressing our ability to pay an incoming player, who can't be sold and will command peanuts even when he recovers after the season is done. We lived a charmed life last season with injuries, despite Timber. We gambled on the same happening this season, and now the chickens have well and truly come home to roost.

[dazthegooner]

Premier league clubs avoid PRS charges for the 2021-24 period (though VAR will be probably used for Arsenal just in case)

[Marc Overmars]

Apparently we are looking to sign Zubimendi at the end of the season. Impressive bit of business if true but also still leaves us scratching our heads over the issues up front.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Apparently we are looking to sign Zubimendi at the end of the season. Impressive bit of business if true but also still leaves us scratching our heads over the issues up front.

That I suspect will be to replace both Jorginho and Partey, so on one hand if I’m right that’s smart business

It’s a shame that we haven’t applied the same forward thinking to attacking players

[Marc Overmars]

I’m sure they’re both out of contract so yeah it’s definitely a good move.

God knows what Jesus’ injury has done for the plans up front now as he would have been one for the transfer list.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’m sure they’re both out of contract so yeah it’s definitely a good move.

God knows what Jesus’ injury has done for the plans up front now as he would have been one for the transfer list.

He was signed in 2022. It’s possible we will have to wear the cost…as even with the wage structure it doesn’t sound like we are that near to FSR aggravation. It’s possible we could also offer to buy him out of his contract if he finds a suitable club to go to, to continue his rehabilitation with.

It depends if he actually cares about his career, or he’s a trolling cunt troublemaker like Ozil

[HCZ_Reborn]

Apparently Dortmund are after Zinchenko on loan initially with the promise of 20 million euros for him

In defiance of people like Mac who would be salivating over such a prospect. I’m inclined to think we probably shouldn’t be selling him. He’s definitely no use at left back, but given the complete and utter lack of creativity (did Merino even pass the half way line on Sunday or did he imagine like the floor was lava past that chalked line) in central midfield I actually think he would be better than nothing. I mean we have so much control in possession that it wouldn’t matter that to say the least he is casual on the ball. But he has a better passing output than a lot of our other players.


Then again, we have to probably accept that is deliberate….and that it’s probably no bad thing to get someone who is most certainly surplus to requirement at left back off the wage bill

[KSE Comedy Club]

Apparently Dortmund are after Zinchenko on loan initially with the promise of 20 million euros for him

In defiance of people like Mac who would be salivating over such a prospect. I’m inclined to think we probably shouldn’t be selling him. He’s definitely no use at left back, but given the complete and utter lack of creativity (did Merino even pass the half way line on Sunday or did he imagine like the floor was lava past that chalked line) in central midfield I actually think he would be better than nothing. I mean we have so much control in possession that it wouldn’t matter that to say the least he is casual on the ball. But he has a better passing output than a lot of our other players.


Then again, we have to probably accept that is deliberate….and that it’s probably no bad thing to get someone who is most certainly surplus to requirement at left back off the wage bill

Sell! Sell! Sell!

Fuck it, we are well and truly in the shit anyway so if we have the chance to get this imposter off the books then we may as well get it done.

[Mac76]

Sell! Sell! Sell!

This

With bells on

[HCZ_Reborn]

Sell! Sell! Sell!

Fuck it, we are well and truly in the shit anyway so if we have the chance to get this imposter off the books then we may as well get it done.

I’m reminded of a line from Red Dwarf “when you can’t get two weeks in the Carribbean, Grimsby’s better than nothing”

Zinchenko for all his dawdling has a better eye for a forward pass than Rice or Merino. Zinchenko and Xhaka both did combine to allow Martinelli more space than he’s had before or since. And because of that ridiculous inverted left back role he knows how to come into central midfield

With Saka out, with Jesus out…the right side of attack is completely defunct. Sterling is done, at most you’ll get five minutes of decent play out of him because his engine has gone.


We therefore need to utilise the left side, which means utilising Zinchenko as a sticking plaster solution and preferably having Calafiori who is comfortable on the ball rather than Maitland Niles who for me at best is a substitute who can help us hold onto a lead with fresh legs

[KSE Comedy Club]

Matheus Cunha anyone?

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2025/01/21/matheus-cunha-arsenal-transfer/


According to reliable X account ‘Teamnewsandtix’, the Gunners have agreed terms with Cunha, though he’s also got a verbal agreement to sign a new contract with Wolves.
It seems Cunha had been prepared to stay at Molineux, with various reports earlier in the window suggesting that he could agree to stay put until the summer and sign a contract with a release clause.

However, it seems Arsenal are pushing hard to sign the Brazil international, and that’s turned the player’s head, leading to this rather chaotic situation described in the post below…


Cunha situation is now quite messy. Player had agreed terms with Arsenal
but also with Wolves on new deal but is refusing to sign it because he feels
he has a chance of going to Arsenal and is trying everything to make it
happen. Arsenal will not be held to ransom on price. Both Cunha staying
or coming to Arsenal are still possible.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Until I see something concrete (like Ornstein or Fabrizio Romano at the very least) I tend to regard these reports with skepticism. Do I think it’s possible that Cunha is the type of player we might be interested in? Yes…do I think you can agree personal terms with a player in this country without having first at least expressed an interest publicly to the club that player belongs to? Yeah I’m less certain.

I tend to think any signings will either be on loan or with a view to that player arriving in the summer.

[Niall_Quinn]

Cunha?

Utterly underwhelming.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Cunha?

Utterly underwhelming.

My thoughts exactly

[Marc Overmars]

I’d see Cunha as a long term Jesus replacement. They’re very similar players.

That also means I’m not entirely sure our striker issue would be solved either. If breaking the bank to sign him now means a quiet summer then I’d have to question if it’s worth it.

[Mac76]

I’d see Cunha as a long term Jesus replacement. They’re very similar players.

That also means I’m not entirely sure our striker issue would be solved either. If breaking the bank to sign him now means a quiet summer then I’d have to question if it’s worth it.

I think he's more clinical than Jesus and would contribute more up front

there seem to be problems with him at Wolves so maybe there's an opportunity, though equally given Arteta's a control freak that might put him off

but no, we don't break the bank for him

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think he's more clinical than Jesus and would contribute more up front

there seem to be problems with him at Wolves so maybe there's an opportunity, though equally given Arteta's a control freak that might put him off

but no, we don't break the bank for him

I wonder how much consideration there is for future squad planning as much as needing a striker in the here and now. Yes obviously Jesus is out long term but if say we were to sign him and then Sesko in the summer, the player he actually might well be replacing in terms of goals is Trossard who it seems is unlikely to sign a new contract with us.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think he's more clinical than Jesus and would contribute more up front

there seem to be problems with him at Wolves so maybe there's an opportunity, though equally given Arteta's a control freak that might put him off

but no, we don't break the bank for him

More of a Sanogo I would say. Same chaotic, half-meant-it style. Will get a hatrick one week then follow with a year long drought.

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This Cunha rumour seems to have legs.

All I'll say is my mistrust of signing Brazilian attacking players, with all the baggage they come with, persists. I've not really noticed him, but from what I can see the Jesus parallels are accurate.

I'd prefer any of the other attackers mentioned over him and would really hate if we spent real money to make this deal go through seeing as Villa recruited Maelen from a bigger club for only £20m.

[Niall_Quinn]

This Cunha rumour seems to have legs.

All I'll say is my mistrust of signing Brazilian attacking players, with all the baggage they come with, persists. I've not really noticed him, but from what I can see the Jesus parallels are accurate.

I'd prefer any of the other attackers mentioned over him and would really hate if we spent real money to make this deal go through seeing as Villa recruited Maelen from a bigger club for only £20m.

Yeah, it's the waste of money and extra wage bill for an average player that plugs a hole, rather than somebody who will improve the team and prospects. Do we really have nobody at all in the squad or reserves that could step in and do at least what the likes of Jesus does in an average match (which is not much) - that really would be an indictment of squad depth if true. Look at the kid over at Utd, why don't we have a couple of young strikers eager to get out there and give it a go? How much worse could it be than what we have already seen up front?

[Mac76]

Yeah, it's the waste of money and extra wage bill for an average player that plugs a hole, rather than somebody who will improve the team and prospects. Do we really have nobody at all in the squad or reserves that could step in and do at least what the likes of Jesus does in an average match (which is not much) - that really would be an indictment of squad depth if true. Look at the kid over at Utd, why don't we have a couple of young strikers eager to get out there and give it a go? How much worse could it be than what we have already seen up front?

I'm very much in favour of that, MLS and Nwaneri, plus Nicholls before he was injured, have shown enough to allow others to get a shout.

That said I think Cunha is better than people here give him credit for, definitely a more reliable scorer than Jesus and if we can do a reasonable deal, given I'm not sure what doable options there are elsewhere, I'd be ok if they go for it

[KSE Comedy Club]

The problem now of course, is there are 3 other clubs in for him. Newcastle, Forrest and Chelsea.

We spent so much of this window dithering, pondering, looking, admiring, exploring that is has allowed a potential bidding war situation :rolleyes:

[Letters]

We spent so much of this window dithering, pondering, looking, admiring, exploring
I mean, to be fair literally none of us really have the foggiest clue what goes on behind the scenes.

[Mac76]

I mean, to be fair literally none of us really have the foggiest clue what goes on behind the scenes.

No, but I think Arteta/Arsenal have at the very least an optics issue when it comes to attacking players, in that they fail to get their primary target and then give up fairly easily

I'm clinging on to the hope there's another Trossard type they at leasst have their eye on

[KSE Comedy Club]

I mean, to be fair literally none of us really have the foggiest clue what goes on behind the scenes.

True but they should have had their targets identified and ducks in a row to go straight in on day 1 of the window.

Instead we got 'internal solutions' etc, until several injuries later, it forced their hand.

[HCZ_Reborn]

True but they should have had their targets identified and ducks in a row to go straight in on day 1 of the window.

Instead we got 'internal solutions' etc, until several injuries later, it forced their hand.

The Winter transfer window should really be for sticking plaster solutions. The problem is with that, who are we going to get on loan that any club will be tempted to agree to. We are monitoring Cunha because we think there’s a chance that Wolves will sell.

Last summer? I don’t think it comes down to poor planning. I think the plan as mystifying as it is was to gamble on the attacking players we had last season to get the goals we need.

[Niall_Quinn]

The problem now of course, is there are 3 other clubs in for him. Newcastle, Forrest and Chelsea.

We spent so much of this window dithering, pondering, looking, admiring, exploring that is has allowed a potential bidding war situation :rolleyes:

I call that salvation. Go get your man, Newcastle, Forrest and Chelsea.

Meanwhile, could we please get serious about signing a striker? We actually need one, no joke.

[Niall_Quinn]

The Winter transfer window should really be for sticking plaster solutions. The problem is with that, who are we going to get on loan that any club will be tempted to agree to. We are monitoring Cunha because we think there’s a chance that Wolves will sell.

Last summer? I don’t think it comes down to poor planning. I think the plan as mystifying as it is was to gamble on the attacking players we had last season to get the goals we need.

There shouldn't be such a window, it's only there so the pigs can feast twice.

But seeing as it is there, no reason to make it a sticking plaster - make it decisive.

Decisive - Arsenal? Okay, mutually exclusive.

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https://www.deloitte.com/uk/en/services/financial-advisory/analysis/deloitte-football-money-league.html

Ok, some good news for a change.

So finally it seems our "improved performances" have started affecting our revenue, which we grew by almost €200m last season, the biggest growth of any top club.

The thing that affects transfers is it seems our total wages to revenue is actually not increasing by much and with the guys we got rid of in the summer and the few people that came in, it's likely the pattern continues, that's if we can "challenge" for the title like last year and reach the QF of the CL.

Now Deloitte's figures are absolute, and covers last season (not the financial year like UEFA's does). Also UEFA's "squad" to revenue ratio is also very particular and might not include some of the things the Deloitte figures does e.g only the 1st team squad is actually accounted for in UEFA's measurements and I believe the revenue elements might be narrower.

However from what I can see we are doing better than all of our real rivals when it comes to wages to revenue ratio (except the Spuds, their figure looks remarkable) and thus the excuse that we can't bring in anyone of quality because we are trying to rein in squad wages seems like what it is, another tired excuse.

Anyway, good to see our improved performances is finally impacting the books (especially broadcast revenue) and the least our Miserly Manager can do is try and keep up with the pace he set for himself.