Arsenal v Chelsea Match Reaction

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Originally Posted by Munchies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9aa...ure=youtu.be&a

Spot on

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Normal reaction from an angry fan . Had Wenger taken out Walcott or Campbell instead of Giroud same people would have come out why did he keep a slow striker on the pitch when we need pace for counteract . It's a lose lose situation for Wenger . We have lost the game . Let's move on to the next . The Championship is not lost yet we are not that far behind . we are still in the race . Everyone will lose games at a certain point .

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Plucked from his severed head I trust?

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We do not talk like that about the Fuhrer

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Normal reaction from an angry fan . Had Wenger taken out Walcott or Campbell instead of Giroud same people would have come out why did he keep a slow striker on the pitch when we need pace for counteract . It's a lose lose situation for Wenger . We have lost the game . Let's move on to the next . The Championship is not lost yet we are not that far behind . we are still in the race . Everyone will lose games at a certain point .

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Nah. We have lost to the chavs not just today but yet again. Whether they are up, down or somewhere in the middle, one thing can be relied upon every year. Wenger will lose to the chavs because he fucks it up. This is a sure thing. No matter how many time we think it will be different Wenger always delivers this chilling, consistent shit when it really matters. As a result we are left trying to pretend the FA Cup is the measure of a top team. But as for titles, no way. Not with Wenger here. And many of the fans can spot the obvious and they say as much when you ask them.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Wenger has thrown players in at the deep end on numerous occasions. He almost destroyed Coquelin chucking him into that humiliation against Utd a few years back. He's thrown the likes of Sanogo into Europe. He's no stranger to it. But for some reason he thinks Flamini and Ramsey work as a midfield pair. Nobody else in the world thinks that - only Wenger. And that's enough to know it's time for him to go. His judgement is shot to hell, he can't spot the obvious stuff any more. He can't see that Mertesacker is a huge liability. He can't see that taking Giroud off when Walcott has been playing so badly effectively reduced us to 9. He can't figure out that then playing Ozil as the striker rather than Theo is insane - he thinks that's perfectly rational. He couldn't reason that Campbell was one of our hardest workers and would have benefited from Alexis coming on as soon as we went down to 10. Alexis is the IDEAL player for that, he's worth 2 men with his work rate. It escapes him that the whole reason for Theo to be playing is for his pace and the tippy tappy game leaves Theo with fuck all to do except be offside waiting for a pass that never comes. He didn't spot the midfield clusterfuck against Liverpool and Stoke so therefore didn't feel the need to make a change going in against Matic, Cuntegas and Mikel. He didn't feel the need to get off his arse and stamp his authority when Ramsey and Flamini were wandering all over the place neglecting their primary responsibilities. I could keep going with this until every aspect of the game is covered. Because the manager got absolutely everything wrong today. Everything. It's 100% his fault. So therefore, you can in fact blame him.

I don't blame the players today. I blame some of them in general for not having worked hard enough all season. But you could have thrown any ten out there and minus any sort of tactics and the crazed formation Wenger settled on it was near on impossible for any player to make sense of it. You have eleven guys all over the place, all with freedom to wander as if we are the finished Barcelona. There's no way Ramsey can be charging up the pitch like that leaving huge gaps unless Wenger has sanctioned it. Wenger has seen something that isn't there, like a guy in a padded cell working out the woes of his imaginary world. He's lost the plot, probably from years of focusing on the money instead of the team. And in that respect his bosses are to blame too. Obviously that must be what they want. But for the sake of what happens on the pitch Wenger has to go now and it would be such a bonus if he'd take that board with him too.

No chance though. 2019 they say. No wonder, they are raking it in. Top gate receipts in all football, trumping Barca and Utd. Now we know what that stadium move was really all about. Yes indeed, we are now competing with the top sides in Europe. Not on the pitch maybe, but where it really counts for the senior people at this club (including Wenger) the balance sheet.

They need to go. And this isn't a reaction to today. That's what I thought before the first ball of the season was kicked and that's what some have thought for years. They were absolutely right then just as they remain right today, because the entire balance of the evidence is right there for all to see and judge.

2019? You could weep.

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I can see where you are coming from . I agree it was a mistake to take out Campbell who is playing so well instead of walcott who has been so awfull . But we needed a goal and Walcott is more likely to score in a big game than Campbell who has yet to score in a big game for us . Another thing , we created a few chances but didn't take them away . Was that Wenger's fault as well ? I am not defending him at all but I want us to reflect on the game with no emotion .

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Originally Posted by Alpha

I can see where you are coming from . I agree it was a mistake to take out Campbell who is playing so well instead of walcott who has been so awfull . But we needed a goal and Walcott is more likely to score in a big game than Campbell who has yet to score in a big game for us . Another thing , we created a fwe chances but didn't take them away . Was that Wenger's fault as well ? I am not defending him at all but I want us to reflect on the game with no emotion .

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Not a bad point to make. We are fucked off because of who Chelsea are; our shitty record against them, and the fact that they have been so shite this season - but the result aside, it was not a bad second half performance from us, having played with 10 men from 20 minutes in. Chelsea have great players who have performed shamefully this season. They are self absorbed wankers in the main who cannot motivate themselves with little to play for - and playing us gave them the motivation they needed - so this was always going to be a tough game - and the sending off played straight into their hands. I felt Wenger was unlucky with them scoring so soon after he had decided to sacrifice Giroud. The personnel were then not right for a game where we would always have more chance playing from set pieces than from open play. But this type of game was always going to expose our problems in midfield - and our through balls to the likes of walcott and Campbell were off all afternoon - Ozil went missing for me today. The loss of points against Liverpool, and our negativity against Stoke fuck me off more than today if i put my emotion aside.

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Originally Posted by Alpha

I can see where you are coming from . I agree it was a mistake to take out Campbell who is playing so well instead of walcott who has been so awfull . But we needed a goal and Walcott is more likely to score in a big game than Campbell who has yet to score in a big game for us . Another thing , we created a few chances but didn't take them away . Was that Wenger's fault as well ? I am not defending him at all but I want us to reflect on the game with no emotion .

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Bloody hell!. There is really an alternate universe out there. Which big game has Walnutt scored in lately?

Seems TY is amongst us tonight.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Nah. We have lost to the chavs not just today but yet again. Whether they are up, down or somewhere in the middle, one thing can be relied upon every year. Wenger will lose to the chavs because he fucks it up. This is a sure thing. No matter how many time we think it will be different Wenger always delivers this chilling, consistent shit when it really matters. As a result we are left trying to pretend the FA Cup is the measure of a top team. But as for titles, no way. Not with Wenger here. And many of the fans can spot the obvious and they say as much when you ask them.

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Let's get it right here . It is true we have lost to Chelsea times and times again . But the turning point today was the sending off . Do you still blame Wenger for that silly Per's mistake ? We created some chances even though Wenger got his tactics wrong . Do you blame him for us panicking in front of Courtois and not putting our chances away ?

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Originally Posted by Alpha

I can see where you are coming from . I agree it was a mistake to take out Campbell who is playing so well instead of walcott who has been so awfull . But we needed a goal and Walcott is more likely to score in a big game than Campbell who has yet to score in a big game for us . Another thing , we created a few chances but didn't take them away . Was that Wenger's fault as well ? I am not defending him at all but I want us to reflect on the game with no emotion .

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I wouldn't have rated Theo's chances higher than Cech's to get a goal. Theo has been appalling over the last few weeks, totally off form. But okay, leave him on and maybe sacrifice Campbell - PROVIDED THEO IS PREPARED TO PUT THE SAME SHIFT IN (which he wasn't and didn't). And to make the counter work you have to have a disciplined midfield distributing the ball precisely and at a high tempo and being ready for when the play breaks down. That's the last thing we had today. Ramsey and Flamini, when they were there at all, appeared to be drunk. That aside, you then need somebody to supply the ammunition. Ozil of course. But what actually happened was Giroud was sacrificed, Theo was left wide and Ozil was pushed forward almost as the striker. That's the last we saw of him in the game of course. No mystery why. Square pegs in round holes from Wenger yet again. And then Ramsey and Flamini were also given license to leg it up the pitch. So how does any of that facilitate the counter attacking game focused on Theo. Effectively Wenger cut him out of the game and reduced us to 9. Hence, if you are going to do that, take Theo off and at least keep a set piece option in place with Giroud and some energy to compensate for being a man light in the form of Campbell. What Wenger chose was the worst of all options (in reality a non-option), killing the possibility of the counter-attacking game as well as snuffing out our abilities to compete further up the pitch. Like I said, he's done, out of his depth.

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Losing today was not Wenger's fault . Some fans are rightly angry but it's just an emotional thing after a defeat.
Players should have known that Per was slow like a tortoise and vulnerable to counteract . Metersacker himself should have been ashamed .An experienced defender like him should have known as a last defender his tackle could be costly . If he had let Costa score the game was still winnable . At 10 vs 11, Chelsea were not the better team . Arsenal should have got at least a draw but they panicked too much and wasted chances after chances .

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It is Wengers fault! He bought Mertesacker and played Flamini instead of Elneny! Why did he fucking buy him! If the Scum pip us to the leage (and yes, it's highly possible),Wumger should be hung from the nearest tree!!

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Let's get it right here . It is true we have lost to Chelsea times and times again . But the turning point today was the sending off . Do you still blame Wenger for that silly Per's mistake ? We created some chances even though Wenger got his tactics wrong . Do you blame him for us panicking in front of Courtois and not putting our chances away ?

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Yes I do blame Wenger, in fact I blamed him for today's catastrophe about 6 weeks ago when I said it was beyond comprehension how Mertesacker gets into the team when we have a real defender sat on the bench. Wenger picks the team. He also picked Flamini and Ramsey in the middle having seen that fail badly against Liverpool and Stoke. An absent midfield leaves space and puts added pressure on the back four. You couple those gaping spaces with Mertesacker's total inability to deal with the pace of slow coach Costa and you reach a predictable outcome. For £8mill the manager should be up to speed on these sort of things. His fault.