Match Reaction Chelsea Away PL 2016-17 season

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

However bad it gets under Wenger there is always a level under which it doesn't fall. There is a big difference between Wenger going and a replacement coming in, although I don't think the absence of champions league football would be a drag factor for a potential manager for Chelsea or United it is for us because we can't just spunk money at the problem the way they can.
However you're right it could have the opposite effect, Bayern players knew come what may in 2013 that Jupp Heynckes was going and they won the treble (I think?) but the reason I have cited above is the rationale Wenger would have for not announcing his future. That plus in reality Wenger is desperate for anything to use as a chink of light to justify staying to himself, he wants to keep at the club for as long as possible because a) he won't want it to end like this and b) he's afraid of retiring.

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Yes, Bayern won the treble that year. It's pretty selfish of Wenger. I think we're in for a dog fight for Top 4 regardless of what happens and Wenger will have to rally the players to stay in the fight. If this being is his last season for us can somehow motivate the players and get the fans behind him, so be it.

Whether he should do it is one thing, whether he will do it is a totally different thing and he won't.

Plus I think the Wenger In lot are so militant they will just spend time blaming the rest of the fans for forcing Wenger out. But don't get me wrong i wouldn't necessarily be against him announcing he was stepping down at the end of the season, it's just not going to happen.

All this aside I don't think there will be a dog fight for top four, the title is completely over for us so there won't be any more bottling in the league. Two years ago, when we had no chance of catching Chelsea we produced some decent football and went on a good winning run. It's something we are psychologically incapable of when the big prize is on the line.

I would not be surprised if we won at Anfield, got at least a draw at white Hart Lane and fairly decent results against city and United.

Will probably go out to Bayern Munich despite another heroic failure, may win the FA cup may not.

I don't care about a dogfight for a place in the top 4. The Champions League and our ability to qualify for it has completely strangled all ambition from this Club. If the riches only came when you actually won something or even looked like having the potential to win something, the mentality at this Club would be completely different.

Wenger out and a more ambitious owner

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Whether he should do it is one thing, whether he will do it is a totally different thing and he won't.

Plus I think the Wenger In lot are so militant they will just spend time blaming the rest of the fans for forcing Wenger out. But don't get me wrong i wouldn't necessarily be against him announcing he was stepping down at the end of the season, it's just not going to happen.

All this aside I don't think there will be a dog fight for top four, the title is completely over for us so there won't be any more bottling in the league. Two years ago, when we had no chance of catching Chelsea we produced some decent football and went on a good winning run. It's something we are psychologically incapable of when the big prize is on the line.

I would not be surprised if we won at Anfield, got at least a draw at white Hart Lane and fairly decent results against city and United.

Will probably go out to Bayern Munich despite another heroic failure, may win the FA cup may not.

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Hence why people are saying it just deepens the divide among the fans and creates an even more poisonous atmosphere the longer he stays on. The fans will continue to fight or walk away.

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Originally Posted by Niall Quinn

I don't care about a dogfight for a place in the top 4. The Champions League and our ability to qualify for it has completely strangled all ambition from this Club. If the riches only came when you actually won something or even looked like having the potential to win something, the mentality at this Club would be completely different.

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I'm with you on that.

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Originally Posted by Niall Quinn

I don't care about a dogfight for a place in the top 4. The Champions League and our ability to qualify for it has completely strangled all ambition from this Club. If the riches only came when you actually won something or even looked like having the potential to win something, the mentality at this Club would be completely different.

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Yes, yes, and yes. That's about it. The CL rigged the game so a few wealthy clubs could make bank season after season after season without having to ever win a damn thing. This is the ultimate incentive in any business. Maximum profits, minimum investment. Some clubs, even the chavs, have not shifted entirely to a business focus, they still have one eye on the football and want to win trophies. Whether that's for the fans or not, who knows. It's certainly for the personal glory of Abramovich, but I doubt chavski fans care. At Arsenal we went 100% to the business model and chucked football in the bin. Everything has a business reason now. We don't sign this player because he has no resale value, we don't sign that player because he costs 2mill more than we budgeted. Everything is clinical, sterile. There seems to be zero comprehension that sometimes that extra 2mill brings you a title which in turn brings you 200mill in revenue you otherwise wouldn't have sniffed. There is no speculate to accumulate at Arsenal. Just accumulate.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Hence why people are saying it just deepens the divide among the fans and creates an even more poisonous atmosphere the longer he stays on. The fans will continue to fight or walk away.

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It does for sure, the only point I made was that the Wenger Knows Best lot may continue the division no matter what

Whilst I don't necessarily think that applies to those like Ty who would 100% back whoever was the manager that's just his mentality

I'm sorry to say that for some fans Wenger means more to them than the football club

That said if a new manager comes in and the impact is immediate that would all change.

On a personal level I would have liked for years for him to admit that he can't do it anymore and to hand the reigns over, what I think it would achieve is that the Arsenal fans would to a man love and respect him again.

I would have loved nothing else but to see Wenger win us the big trophies, it would have given me great pleasure to be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

It does for sure, the only point I made was that the Wenger Knows Best lot may continue the division no matter what

Whilst I don't necessarily think that applies to those like Ty who would 100% back whoever was the manager that's just his mentality

I'm sorry to say that for some fans Wenger means more to them than the football club

That said if a new manager comes in and the impact is immediate that would all change.

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It's the same point Marc made earlier and why I say it deepens the divide that may surpass the Wenger era. But I also said the Board have to make the right call and bring in a manager that everyone can get behind. If try to gamble with a wildcard, we may see a repeat of the same BS.