I just spent 45 mins looking through old threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Goonersweb used to be hilarious.
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I just spent 45 mins looking through old threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Goonersweb used to be hilarious.
Your face still is.
So's your face.
This is true. Not just anyone can come in, thats just churlish. I remember Owen Coyle being continually linked, and look where he is (I have no idea actually, but it isnt anywhere decent).Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
This is my watershed season, the one thats broken me and I would like a change of manager, but the other part of me is thinking who can do a job that at the very least gets us to challenge right to the very end of the season, and gets us to semi/final of CL, or else whats the point in changing? Because we are not far from being there, it just needs a few tweaks in playing staff and tactics. Something that wenger doesnt seem to be able to prise out of the players, that last little bit, to make us great.
Aye, that's the frustrating thing. We're really not a million miles away. Just last season we finished 3rd and won the FA Cup, it's not a bad season to push on from. We just need someone who can push us that last bit. I hoped that Wenger could do it but it's increasingly clear he can't.
Actually we are a million miles away. Do you see us challenging for the CL with the squad we have? We aren't close. We aren't a million miles away from winning the PL because frankly, it's shite. Just one small change required and we all know what that is.
The Owen Coyle thing was a joke, btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexander
Until now, that is.
I think if we had a top CF this season we would have won the league. With a top CF and top CDM we could have been closer to the CL. But the manager also needs a change at the same time, to get the best from what we have and the players we are missing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I'm glad to see my well reasoned analysis is there for all to see in the second post :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
:lol:
Yep, we've been a million miles away for a while now because we always go into the season unprepared and needing x, y or z.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
We've been discussing the "we need a new player in a insert position" for about 5 years now and for every position we fill a new one crops up that needs upgrading. It's a never ending issue.
We're a million miles away from Barca but so is every English team.
We're not that far from winning the league and as we haven't done that for so long I think that would be a good target in the short term.
That's what I already said - apart from the "every English team" disclaimer. As always, I don't care about every English team - just the one that's building a new stadium and doubling ticket prices to compete at the very top of the European game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
And still has less resources than at least 3 other clubs who are trying to do the same.
It's only been in the last few years we've had the finances to get anywhere near competing.
Perhaps they shouldn't have pinned all their hopes on UEFA regulating fair play :doh: UEFA FFS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Who do you think "sustainable" really works for? Who benefits? The club has traded ambition for a financial model that is the envy of every corporate rapist. Privatise the profits, socialise the costs. Zero risk, maximum reward. Let's not be kidding ourselves about this any more. The finances are precisely where the few who benefit want them to be and this casting around looking at other clubs for excuses doesn't hide the reality.
And while we`ve been managing our finances in order to compete. Leicester and Spuds have been managing their team and backroom staff to do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Well managed club is we.
Are we still using the money excuse?
:lol: you do make me laugh Letters!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wenger, April 2015
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‘If the opportunity presents itself, we will have to be perfect and Chelsea have to be not perfect. The only thing which we can master is to be perfect. Chelsea have a difficult programme and so do we.
‘We want to keep the momentum — win, win, win and win again. We know the top four is in our hands now. The title is not in our hands. We are looking up, but we are looking at our next game because that is all we can control. What we can master mathematically is the top four. Let’s focus on what we can master — our own performance.’
‘We have moved forward. We missed important players at the start of the season when we dropped too many points. When you look at the points we’ve made since everyone is back, I believe that shows you we have the quality to fight at the top.’
Wenger, April 2016
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“We have to be realistic and just prepare for the next game and not dream too much. When I say be realistic we have to look behind, over our shoulders, as well.
"Manchester City, Manchester United, West Ham are chasing. Let’s look over our shoulders and also chase if we can.
"To find a team who clicks at the right moment, sometimes you have all kinds of reasons.
"I feel we want to win our games and see what happens. It is too difficult to say any more than that. We have only one target now.
“I believe this team has the right mentality, I have had many teams in my life and this team is top quality.
"They have gone through a bad period but when they play like that, it shows that mentally, they are pure.”
Wenger, April 2017
Go on, have a wild stab.
Wenger, April 2016 (talking about Ozil's comments a day earlier)
So which is it? Believe, or be realistic and avoid dreaming?Quote:
"Because we have to believe, no matter if it just one chance in 100, we have to believe. We only have a real chance if we believe."
That's a bit like asking kids in pantomime audience to chant "I believe in fairies" to bring Tinkerbell back to life
This subject has kind of wandered away from the original question? Who's going to win the league ffs! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Tinkerbell's dead!!!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Well actually no, we have more similar or more resources as we're owned by two billionaires, one of which of whom is richer than the Russian at Chelsea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
As for the CL we've been a million miles away for a decade when other smaller clubs have actually got closer than us. You can sugar coat it all you like but we got knocked out by Monaco and have failed time and time again in the CL when we should have done better.
We are, if we win all our games and the spuds and Leicester fuck up and we don't get caught by the gypos or the mancs and we have great spirit and take one game as it comes but we remain relistic and avoid dreaming so we can believe 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
Obvious isn't it?
tbf, we're a sustainable club so that means the investors don't invest. Much better for the fans to foot the bill than have a rich guy pony up - it's the moral way to go. In fact we're so moral the non-investing investors take money out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
This sustainable model thing is a load of nonsense as you say, we're only interested in profits, the fans have been lied to from day 1 regarding the stadium move, I still remember when we were told there would be no point having a world class stadium without world class team in it and that the stadium would not affect transfer spending, very convenient that it did however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
We're owned by two billionaires, we don't need to be sustainable, I can remember people telling everyone how Chelsea will be screwed if Abrahamovic left. Guess what he hasn't left and if he did another rich guy would come along and buy them, seems to me their fans got the better end of the deal, top players, success and all without having to pay the highest tickets in the land.
Winning teams make more money in the long term anyway, the only problem is that it does take investment to make you winners, our lot are clearly just interested in profits now and not bothered about success on the pitch and at the end of the day if the fans are happy to pay to keep paying top dollar for the privilege of winning nothing and always being also rans it's not a bad deal for them.
Morally superior cup 2016 :trophy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
and 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
When you add that to all the 4th place trophies we've won and the Emirates cup trophies as well, not to mention the best cotton for footballers award, we're spoilt....what are we complaining about.
All hail the might Arsene Wenger :bow:
I've no issue with the model of self sustainability but you raise for once a good point that ultimately even if you are interested in money the best way to get ridiculous money from sponsorship and marketing is to invest in a winning team. However for Mr Kroenke the clubs worth is just an asset for his portfolio, and the rest of the board are a bunch of coffin Dodgers who understand the modern footballing climate about as well as my three year old nephew understands the concept of credit default swaps.
You can imagine what a board meeting would be like, limited visibility due to cigar smoking
"You remember that coloured chap we used to have play for us?"
"Which one old boy?"
"The one we have a statue of outside"
"Ah rings a bell, anyway what about darky?"
"Well he's on the what do you call it the television, saying things about the frog we have knocking about"
"Damned inpertinence....wouldn't have stood for it on the plantation....anyway more brandy?"
I sort of get what Wenger is trying to create or instil in the players but it's just a little too late. The Invincible team had that superior confidence and never knew when they were beaten. They were strong mentally and it's probably why Wenger talks so much about the mental aspect of our team.and attitude. But it sounds a lot like he's trying to convince us and himself that this team are capable of winning and that the attitude is their because from what Ozil has said recently it sounds like it's not all there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Erm, no.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
lol!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Excellent debating :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
That's a stupid argument. You know why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Nope. Thought about it and I can't figure out why that's a stupid argument. I give up. Tell me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Chelsea's dad is a millionaire and he gives Chelsea loads of money. Chelsea has a big house and a cool sports car.
Arsenal's dad is also a millionaire but he doesn't give Arsenal any money, he actually charges Arsenal rent to live in his house. Arsenal has a Suzuki Swift.
Arsenal and Chelsea are going to have a race in their cars. Who do you think will win?
Both of their dads are loaded so they'll both have fast cars, right?
Aston Villa's dad is an abusive alcoholic :(
:lol:
:doh: Where are Chelsea and City in the league and who are we behind this season. Dumb argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Where were they before Abramovic and that Sheikh fella came along? :good:
The general point is the wealth of our respective owners does not necessarily correlate with our spending power, which is what Zim seemed to imply.
It doesn't really matter how rich our owners are if they're leeches who just want to make a profit for themselves.