Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
is it wrong to assume Wenger worked a lot better with figures like Dein and certain players? Surely we have to recognise the contribution from those that have left as well and consider their influence on the manager?
Yes, I think that is a valid point and many have cited Dein's departure as a factor in all this.

I think the consistent top 4 finishes are fairly impressive, especially given the money other clubs were throwing around. Many predicted that Wenger had us in a spiral of decline which would see us drop out but I think that level of consistency, while it shouldn't be the limit of our ambitions, is an achievement.

I just get the impression that some people see a huge difference in Wenger's ability between his first part of his time with us and the latter part. I don't see it like that. Maybe he lacks a little bit sharpness now, as others have said most people drop off in terms of ability as they get older, but I don't think there has been a big a change as some people imply. If anything it's because he hasn't changed while all around him has which has been the problem. Or a problem. The billionaires coming in were definitely a factor too.

I think we'd be better off now if we move on from Wenger. I do think it's a bit of a stretch if people think we'd have been in a better position had we changed manager 10 years ago. It's possible but not a given. And I certainly don't think that Wenger is so incompetent that any manager could come in and we'd improve.