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22-01-2012, 07:31 PM
Özim

The pr*ck does it again I see, nice one :good:

Wenger is a clueless manager who should have been sacked a long time ago, tactically inept, unable to spend money effectively, unable to motivate and the list goes on, at this stage he's a very average manager with no pride in his job (managing a football team).....lucky the board only give a sh*t about hard cash.
22-01-2012, 07:31 PM
fakeyank

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It's all Wenger. The board is powerless in this because all they do is make the decisions. So what can they do realistically? They've watched us tumble down the league, they've watched the team decline to the point we get outplayed by Swansea. I feel sorry for them. £500million is one thing but hardly compensation for what's happened to the club. I see it as the fans and the board in this together against the evil Wenger who has total control of everything. Nothing can change until Wenger releases us from his death grip.

:gp:

Even though its sarcastic, you have finally hit the nail on the head!
22-01-2012, 07:33 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

:gp:

Even though its sarcastic, you have finally hit the nail on the head!

They'll be weeping into their caviare tonight. Not that I think it's good for them to be laughing after a result like that. But if you were them, wouldn't you laugh?

us :pal:
22-01-2012, 07:34 PM
Syn

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

If he does think so much about it, how come he always arrives at the same destination? When does it stop being logic and just become insanity as Einstein said? I don't see the logic in persuing with someone who has proven to be poor for so long. To me, it is possibly governed by something else - maybe it could be to give him as many minutes as possible as a means of advertising him for a sale. I mean, I am searching there but it is surely extremely tenuous logic to think "this time it's gonna happen!" when everything else points to the opposite being true, if he really is that smart. I'd say he's intelligent but not always smart.

I agree with it all. 'Smart' was not the right word but otherwise I hope I wasn't confusing. Many fans say in frustration that Wenger is thick, an idiot and so on. I think it's quite clear that Wenger is intelligent (which makes it more frustrating). He doesn't need to use big words to prove it but you can tell by the way he talks and how he describes things that he's got the capacity to take in far more than other managers like McCarthy and Warnock. Ask him about what happening in Ukraine and he might give you a decent summary. Ask McCarthy and he'll say I don't have a crane, I am a fucking clueless forklift driver that's somehow stumbled into a job as a football manager. (I know there's a difference in being knowledgeable and intelligent but still...). We had always been a team that played greater than the sum of our parts. We might not have needed star players but the teamwork and understanding was there to out-perform other teams. Right now we are playing at a level far below the sum of our parts. Even pub team managers like McCarthy don't let this much talent go to waste.

As I said after the Swansea game, I just don't know what to make of Wenger right now. Whether or not he's being logical but wrong, there is nothing logical about 'Arsene Wenger'. I just don't understand what's going on at the club. There appears to be very little direction.
22-01-2012, 07:34 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by GB.

Nah, they're wrong. Well wrong. They act as if it is some Board v Wenger thing, when it isn't. People such as myself have wanted Wenger gone for a long time now, but realise it will not happen as long as he continues to meet their financial objectives. They (Board/Wenger) never take risk when it comes to spending money on transfers, but seem to have forgotten about the risks inherent in not adequately maintaining the squad.

Wenger has been the right man to make money but is the wrong man to manage a team to success - many have seen this for a long time - infact I know I've wanted Wenger sacked for longer than two and perhaps 3 of the people you have quoted. But 3 of the people quoted haven't a clue of or choose not to understand the dynamics and objectives of the people with power and managerial responsibility at this Club.

I'd have chosen for Wenger to walk and would still like that. But if for at least the last 2.5 years this Board were interested in arresting the decline in this Club, they should have sacked Wenger.

I don't doubt the board are as much to blame and really should have sacked the man 2 seasons ago. So failure is down to them. I have backed Wenger even when the man had made silly mistakes. I don't think we have money at the club, but hate the way AW defends the board for what ever reason he does.

No one can deny he has done wonders and moving into a new stadium was brilliant and he had made the club money but tactially wise we need a new man with new i deas.

Wenger won't get a new no 2 or a defensive or attacking coach which we need. He is still stuck in the invincible area. Im not silly to think him going means we will win things won't happen till the board show ambition i know that. just pissed off with seeing the same mistakes over and over again. i could have written the script for that game today.

I think AW has taken the club as far as he can and imo he himself needs the chance to show the world he is a good manager but else where.
22-01-2012, 07:36 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It's all Wenger. The board is powerless in this because all they do is make the decisions. So what can they do realistically? They've watched us tumble down the league, they've watched the team decline to the point we get outplayed by Swansea. I feel sorry for them. £500million is one thing but hardly compensation for what's happened to the club. I see it as the fans and the board in this together against the evil Wenger who has total control of everything. Nothing can change until Wenger releases us from his death grip.

of course the baord have to take the blame the should have sacked this muppet ages ago, but i suppose they make him money and they don't want to give him a big pay off.
22-01-2012, 07:36 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

I don't doubt the board are as much to blame and really should have sacked the man 2 seasons ago. So failure is down to them. I have backed Wenger even when the man had made silly mistakes. I don't think we have money at the club, but hate the way AW defends the board for what ever reason he does.

No one can deny he has done wonders and moving into a new stadium was brilliant and he had made the club money but tactially wise we need a new man with new i deas.

Wenger won't get a new no 2 or a defensive or attacking coach which we need. He is still stuck in the invincible area. Im not silly to think him going means we will win things won't happen till the board show ambition i know that. just pissed off with seeing the same mistakes over and over again. i could have written the script for that game today.

I think AW has taken the club as far as he can and imo he himself needs the chance to show the world he is a good manager but else where.

Just about everyone wants Wenger gone, but not in the middle of a season and not without a serious replacement lined up and and (in reality) not without the board and Kroenke fucked out of it too.
22-01-2012, 07:36 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by GB.

Nah, they're wrong. Well wrong. They act as if it is some Board v Wenger thing, when it isn't. People such as myself have wanted Wenger gone for a long time now, but realise it will not happen as long as he continues to meet their financial objectives. They (Board/Wenger) never take risk when it comes to spending money on transfers, but seem to have forgotten about the risks inherent in not adequately maintaining the squad.

Wenger has been the right man to make money but is the wrong man to manage a team to success - many have seen this for a long time - infact I know I've wanted Wenger sacked for longer than two and perhaps 3 of the people you have quoted. But 3 of the people quoted haven't a clue of or choose not to understand the dynamics and objectives of the people with power and managerial responsibility at this Club.

I'd have chosen for Wenger to walk and would still like that. But if for at least the last 2.5 years this Board were interested in arresting the decline in this Club, they should have sacked Wenger.

It's not a board v Wenger thing at all, we all know the board are moneygrabbers to be honest and I've wanted them out for a long time personally, I agree they should have sacked the muppet and the fact they haven't is driven by their greed...however on the other side of the coin is Wenger who has also prioritised money over football (borderline criminal for a football manager IMO), he saves and scrimps and is avert to risk, he picks up cheap journeyman and kids and treats his players like china dolls, there's no discipline, very little tactics and little motivation and the same mistakes happen over and over again....that's ignoring illogical decisions like today.

They're both to blame, but it's Wenger's team on the pitch and frankly it's inadequate due to him spending on too many kids and journeyman and never investing in quality even when available. He should have been sacked for sure, he hasn't but the way he does things is amateurish.
22-01-2012, 07:38 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Just about everyone wants Wenger gone, but not in the middle of a season and not without a serious replacement lined up and and (in reality) not without the board and Kroenke fucked out of it too.

:gp: agree 100%, it would be silly for him to go now, but i prefer it if the board went too.
22-01-2012, 07:38 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by GB.

Nah, they're wrong. Well wrong. They act as if it is some Board v Wenger thing, when it isn't. People such as myself have wanted Wenger gone for a long time now, but realise it will not happen as long as he continues to meet their financial objectives. They (Board/Wenger) never take risk when it comes to spending money on transfers, but seem to have forgotten about the risks inherent in not adequately maintaining the squad.Wenger has been the right man to make money but is the wrong man to manage a team to success - many have seen this for a long time - infact I know I've wanted Wenger sacked for longer than two and perhaps 3 of the people you have quoted. But 3 of the people quoted haven't a clue of or choose not to understand the dynamics and objectives of the people with power and managerial responsibility at this Club.I'd have chosen for Wenger to walk and would still like that. But if for at least the last 2.5 years this Board were interested in arresting the decline in this Club, they should have sacked Wenger.

I hear you, but over the past few days I've been arguing about these sort of decision that cost us. The Board sitting back and watching as the ship sinks is a disgrace. But I can't accept this argument about Wenger's hands being tied as if it's having an effect on his tactical decisions. This is a prime example of bad management. No idea what possessed him to made that decision but he did and it has cost us. The fans and captain could see that was a total cock up and I hope someone on the Board is watching and questioning such tactical decisions and thinking the same thing as we are.

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