Match Reaction vs Bayern Munich (home)

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Zim doesn't

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No I'm just smart enough to realise I'm not going to be proved wrong, 10+ years is proof of that, anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded tbh. He's had his chance to proce people wrong, he couldn't do it, in any other club he would have been gone years ago.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

A very true statement, however I fear in the case of almost everyone on this board you are preaching to the converted

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I have a feeling this board is read a little further afield than we imagine. In fact, if I had the time to sit down a do a bit of collation, I could prove it.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Your point was limping from the start and fell over in a heap. Your post implied he over-reacted in his celebrations, they were restrained and muted.
Obviously in some regards there are differences between fan and manager but when it comes to celebrating there is much in common. I'm sure the fans will have celebrated the goals, I doubt any of them went overboard. Nor did Wenger.

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He did overeact IMO, it's a bunch of part timers, not even worth standing up for, that's about as animated as you ever see Wenger, I wouldn't say they were restrained and muted by Wenger standards.

There's a big difference between a fan and a manager like Wenger, managers don't celebrate like fans, well they do but very rarely.

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Originally Posted by Özim

No I'm just smart enough to realise I'm not going to be proved wrong, 10+ years is proof of that, anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded tbh. He's had his chance to proce people wrong, he couldn't do it, in any other club he would have been gone years ago.

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But again, there isn't anything special about you. No-one who is skeptical about the manager believes deep down that he will prove us wrong.

What i don't accept and you haven't come close to justifying is taking pleasure from us losing, fine be angry, fine use it as justification to say this guy has got to go.....but enjoyment?

If you honestly believe that before now that there would have ever been a majority consensus against Wenger you are the one who is deluded, the way fans look at it is that as of 2014 he had significantly more money to spend....I didn't think it would make a difference but in some ways i can actually see the merit of the argument where he deserved a chance to see what he could do with greater spending, and the end result is no difference.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I have a feeling this board is read a little further afield than we imagine. In fact, if I had the time to sit down a do a bit of collation, I could prove it.

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You think people on this board are closet wenger apologists?

Five years ago there was a divergence of opinion, as of the last year.....it's a total consensus he's got to go.

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Originally Posted by Özim

He did overeact IMO, it's a bunch of part timers, not even worth standing up for, that's about as animated as you ever see Wenger, I wouldn't say they were restrained and muted by Wenger standards.

There's a big difference between a fan and a manager like Wenger, managers don't celebrate like fans, well they do but very rarely.

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And this is why i don't take you seriously, you make a silly point and you double down on it.

He's clearly celebrated far more vigurously than that against bigger opposition. The only manager who doesn't celebrate his side scoring because he thinks the side are beneath him celebrating is Mourinho.

You look at how animated Conte is, i saw him jumping around when Chelsea scored against Peterborough.

There's plenty of things to be legitimately annoyed with Wenger about, this is not one of them.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

With that sort of mentality coming from the boss, how are we to go about fixing an issue? It’s something that was touched on yesterday from IBK (aka Subs – GW Legend :bow: )thread. I have no idea how we change the culture of the this club. It’s not going to come from the odd player that plays for pride and it won’t come from the Board. The only feasible solution I can see is a change of manager.

Hargreaves was arguing with Rio last night that Wenger needed help the Board need to take the heat off him. I’ve seen a similar argument on Arseblog, from Moh on Arsenal Fan TV and on here at times. How can anyone help someone that is so entrenched in their own ways that they won’t accept help or a different approach? We don’t have a Board that aren’t receptive to new ideas from Wenger. I don’t think they’d turn him away if he accepted he needed to shake up his coaching staff or more money for better players. Also, we don’t have a Board that won’t impose ideas on Wenger because I guess they respect his work and hold him in high regards. I see what fans like Moh and Arseblog say about Wenger and how they revere and I suspect that’s the attitude that comes down from Board level. That’s why I can’t see them pulling the trigger unless things got so out of hand that their hand is forced. This is why we get the extreme posts and talk of us wanting to lose games or drop out of the Top 4 because fans can’t see no other way of the message getting through to the Board and shaking up the culture.

I get that people have reservations about the #WengerOut protests and would rather some focus on the Board, but Stan isn’t selling up any time soon unless attendance drops in a serious way. And it would take years for that to happen and we’d seriously damage the club in the process. It’s a mess. The only hope we have is a new manager that comes in and puts pressure on the Board to shake things up because it’s clear Wenger isn’t doing that at the moment. I was reading Arseblog today and I don’t get his position. Is he blaming the Board for not firing Wenger? Anyway…forgive the long winded rant.

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Nah not a rant man, I feel you 100% and agree with a lot of your posts, we are deep in it right now, it's one big mess and the men responsible for it don't even think there is anything wrong.

The past few seasons have taken so much out of me I actually don't really care anymore, I am numb, the pain isn't there anymore when we get humiliated, I'm use to it, I've almost got to the point where I am shrugging my shoulders. I am just wanting change now, any kind of change will do for me even if it's temporary until we get a more stable solution, Wenger is a major problem, as are the board but Wenger needs to go right now. I'd go as far as to say I wouldn't even be adverse to Bould caretaking until the end of the season, it's gotten that bad for me now.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Nah not a rant man, I feel you 100% and agree with a lot of your posts, we are deep in it right now, it's one big mess and the men responsible for it don't even think there is anything wrong.

The past few seasons have taken so much out of me I actually don't really care anymore, I am numb, the pain isn't there anymore when we get humiliated, I'm use to it, I've almost got to the point where I am shrugging my shoulders. I am just wanting change now, any kind of change will do for me even if it's temporary until we get a more stable solution, Wenger is a major problem, as are the board but Wenger needs to go right now. I'd go as far as to say I wouldn't even be adverse to Bould caretaking until the end of the season, it's gotten that bad for me now.

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Let's be fair it couldn't get any worse if that happened

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Let's be fair it couldn't get any worse if that happened

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Yep, we've hit rock bottom Herb. I am genuinely not expecting anything out of the season now...in previous seasons I always felt we were capable of top 4 or winning the FA Cup after we got dumped out of CL....this season, I think we'll go out in the Semi-Finals of the FA Cup and will drop out of the top 4, I think we'll finish 6th...in fact I'd be shocked if the above didn't happen.

Honestly...it's probably what we need...

We need a wake up call regardless of who is going to be in charge next season.

In fairness to Zim, no one has been more maligned on this forum for their opinion.

I don't see it as revelling in our failure, more revelling in a lot of people now coming round to his way of thinking.

That's not to say he doesn't use any little opportunity to make something out of nothing. ;)