Match Reaction vs Bayern Munich (home)

[Özim]

Wenger's recruitment over the past few years has been nothing short of a disgrace. He has bought badly, wasting millions on average players. I suspect if he was at any other club he would have been shown the door. The sad thing is many very good players have been available at prices well within our budget yet for one reason or another we have missed out on them.

Can anybody tell me why we went for Xhaka when Kante was available at a lower price? Yet again Kante is head and shoulders the best CM in the Prem yet we turn our nose up at him when he was offered to us so we can bring in Xhaka!!!

Yeah I agree, our transfer policy has been awful, so many players who were better than we have we could have brought in, but in the end I guess they weren't projects as they were more established players which Wenger generally turns his nose up at.

I really don't rate this group of players at all, bar a handful we should have a massive clearout to be honest, once again we have a lot of deadwood and sub standard players you can't build a top team with, it lacks all kinds of ingredients you need to win the big trophies, leadership, fight, desire, passion all key ingredients which help you to beat top sides and sometimes upset the odds. The organisation is also poor, defensively we're shocking and have been for years and a good team is based on a good defence at the end of the day.

There's a lot to deal with if a new manager comes in, the club is definitely not in a good place for any new manager to come in, it's a very, very, big job IMO.

[Letters]

Block Zim or just shut the fuck up! You repeat the same argument every time.

As does he, but you only pick me up on it because of your little vendetta against me

Are you going to call me stupid next? That's pretty much your only line of argument.

[Letters]

Honestly, what does it matter?

Does it add anything to objective and reasonable debate?
You've picked him up on the same sort of thing enough times and banned him from theads because of it

[Power n Glory]

I laugh but I reckon this is nail on head P'n'G, it's actually quite sad.

With that sort of mentality coming from the boss, how are we to go about fixing an issue? It’s something that was touched on yesterday from IBK (aka Subs – GW Legend )thread. I have no idea how we change the culture of the this club. It’s not going to come from the odd player that plays for pride and it won’t come from the Board. The only feasible solution I can see is a change of manager.

Hargreaves was arguing with Rio last night that Wenger needed help the Board need to take the heat off him. I’ve seen a similar argument on Arseblog, from Moh on Arsenal Fan TV and on here at times. How can anyone help someone that is so entrenched in their own ways that they won’t accept help or a different approach? We don’t have a Board that aren’t receptive to new ideas from Wenger. I don’t think they’d turn him away if he accepted he needed to shake up his coaching staff or more money for better players. Also, we don’t have a Board that won’t impose ideas on Wenger because I guess they respect his work and hold him in high regards. I see what fans like Moh and Arseblog say about Wenger and how they revere and I suspect that’s the attitude that comes down from Board level. That’s why I can’t see them pulling the trigger unless things got so out of hand that their hand is forced. This is why we get the extreme posts and talk of us wanting to lose games or drop out of the Top 4 because fans can’t see no other way of the message getting through to the Board and shaking up the culture.

I get that people have reservations about the #WengerOut protests and would rather some focus on the Board, but Stan isn’t selling up any time soon unless attendance drops in a serious way. And it would take years for that to happen and we’d seriously damage the club in the process. It’s a mess. The only hope we have is a new manager that comes in and puts pressure on the Board to shake things up because it’s clear Wenger isn’t doing that at the moment. I was reading Arseblog today and I don’t get his position. Is he blaming the Board for not firing Wenger? Anyway…forgive the long winded rant.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Is it last night's match that is causing all this, or are you trying to all do your own unique tribute to International Women's day?

Either way it's not as entertaining as Underscore NQ's Mel Gibson impression last night

[Letters]

There is a risk here that we aren't getting things in perspective.

I suppose that's only natural when the club you've invested in pretty much almost your whole life has just achieved the highest ever aggregate defeat by any English club in the history of European football.

Is that so? Another record!
Tbh, I don't care about that. Last night's result was clearly skewed by the referee. I care about the bigger picture about us being competitive with the sides we should be competitive. In Europe there is no disgrace in losing to Bayern but we should be able to give them a game and domestically I don't think anyone is going to get close to Chelsea this year and fair play to them but, again, do what you can to put pressure on and be as competitive as you can. We shouldn't be scrabbling around desperately trying to finish top 4 and hopefully finishing above Spurs.

[Power n Glory]

As does he, but you only pick me up on it because of your little vendetta against me

Are you going to call me stupid next? That's pretty much your only line of argument.

Because you always start it. Every time. Without fail and it's that obvious. You don't usually get into personal insults on here but you often do it with Zim. Why?

Also, I have no vendetta against you. Why would I? On other threads and where I feel you're right, I'll say my piece and defend what you have to say. You seem to forget those moments.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

With that sort of mentality coming from the boss, how are we to go about fixing an issue? It’s something that was touched on yesterday from IBK (aka Subs – GW Legend )thread. I have no idea how we change the culture of the this club. It’s not going to come from the odd player that plays for pride and it won’t come from the Board. The only feasible solution I can see is a change of manager.

Hargreaves was arguing with Rio last night that Wenger needed help the Board need to take the heat off him. I’ve seen a similar argument on Arseblog, from Moh on Arsenal Fan TV and on here at times. How can anyone help someone that is so entrenched in their own ways that they won’t accept help or a different approach? We don’t have a Board that aren’t receptive to new ideas from Wenger. I don’t think they’d turn him away if he accepted he needed to shake up his coaching staff or more money for better players. Also, we don’t have a Board that won’t impose ideas on Wenger because I guess they respect his work and hold him in high regards. I see what fans like Moh and Arseblog say about Wenger and how they revere and I suspect that’s the attitude that comes down from Board level. That’s why I can’t see them pulling the trigger unless things got so out of hand that their hand is forced. This is why we get the extreme posts and talk of us wanting to lose games or drop out of the Top 4 because fans can’t see no other way of the message getting through to the Board and shaking up the culture.

I get that people have reservations about the #WengerOut protests and would rather some focus on the Board, but Stan isn’t selling up any time soon unless attendance drops in a serious way. And it would take years for that to happen and we’d seriously damage the club in the process. It’s a mess. The only hope we have is a new manager that comes in and puts pressure on the Board to shake things up because it’s clear Wenger isn’t doing that at the moment. I was reading Arseblog today and I don’t get his position. Is he blaming the Board for not firing Wenger? Anyway…forgive the long winded rant.

Having listened to the Arsecast on monday, my understanding is that he does blame the Board for this yes. He believes that even if some fans reactions are distasteful they essentially have tacit approval from Ivan Gazidis as per his statement of 2011....and it's reprehensible that the board are forcing the fan's hands like this.
He also believes more focus should be put on the board, because whilst getting rid of Wenger is essential it's not the all encompassing magical remedy some might think it is. There is essentially no guarantee we won't be in this position again with a new man.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Because you always start it. Every time. Without fail and it's that obvious. You don't usually get into personal insults on here but you often do it with Zim. Why?

Also, I have no vendetta against you. Why would I? On other threads and where I feel you're right, I'll say my piece and defend what you have to say. You seem to forget those moments.

Zim comes out with the most ridiculous statements and then when the chips are down pretends everything he has said is wholly reasonable and comes across with "see i told you so".

I detest the notion from the AKB faction that those who want Wenger out are revelling in this chaos, but in Zim's case and he would even admit it himself he's in his element.

[Niall_Quinn]

As does he, but you only pick me up on it because of your little vendetta against me

Are you going to call me stupid next? That's pretty much your only line of argument.

Stupid.