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15-08-2016, 05:42 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

This club is so bizarre you end up dreading a good run of form in case the board uses it to slip in a contract extension.

Yep. That's the conflict and where people start saying they hope certain players get injured just so he's forced to make a signing or select the right player, people hope we drop out of the top 4 just so the board put pressure on him or hope things get so bad at the stadium people walk out or just cause pandemonium. It's not healthy and it shouldn't have to get to that stage. Why has it come to this under Arsene Wenger of all people? It's going beyond the results and team. People are starting to despise everything the club stands for. I know I'm at that point and had to really question what the heck I was swallowing when they started spouting this self sustaining model rubbish.
15-08-2016, 05:47 PM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I'm pretty immune to that type of thinking, I don't want us to finish lower than 4th because whenever Wenger goes, I think a club that has sullied its reputation the way we have is going to find it difficult enough getting in a competent replacement and will be even harder without champions league football

And if I want a player to get injured it's usually because hes shit, whilst I wasn't glad that Ramsey was injured yesterday it would be wrong to think I was in some way sad about it.
15-08-2016, 05:53 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I think the fans attitudes are changing as each season passes, I think two years ago people were prepared to give Wenger the benefit of time now that he had definite money to spend and he did manage to retain good will by spending money during the summer of 2014, as well as showing signs of progression later on that season culminating in the FA cup.
Where as the Wenger out group was a large minority, it's now a silent majority (by that I mean the majority of fans want him gone but aren't all quite as vocal about it) because Wenger has used up all the good will he earnt, the total collapse in the league was one thing but blaming insipid home performances on fans, and on top of that sitting on his hands in three out of the last four seasons which has led to us losing the opening game in three out of the last four seasons.

It has definitely changed. It's pretty clear to see that he's the problem and patience has gone out the window. Was listening to Neville's Sky podcast last night and zoned out after he said he was surprised by the fans reaction after the first game of the season as if it's total irrational. These media pundits aren't asking the right sort of questions and that's also getting to me. It's worth listening to Arsecast's podcast today. He's been pretty patient and rational through all of this but he's really losing his patience and some real good questions are being asked. Check it out.
15-08-2016, 06:05 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I'm pretty immune to that type of thinking, I don't want us to finish lower than 4th because whenever Wenger goes, I think a club that has sullied its reputation the way we have is going to find it difficult enough getting in a competent replacement and will be even harder without champions league football

And if I want a player to get injured it's usually because hes shit, whilst I wasn't glad that Ramsey was injured yesterday it would be wrong to think I was in some way sad about it.

I disagree. It's not about Champions League football. It's more so about ambition and infrastructure. What are you working towards and will you support the managers ambition. Klopp, Mourinho and Conte won' be in the Champions League this year. That didn't stop them from going there. They didn't apply for jobs with Spurs and Leicester just because they qualified.

The biggest thing this club has going for it is that we support our manager. We're not trigger happy and have allowed Wenger to get on with things uninterrupted. That has to be a huge draw for any manager. Plus our record is so shit a new manager comes in with a chance to propel this club to a new level.

What's holding us back is the lack of spending. The appearance of lacking ambition. If that reputation stays with us people potential managers get a whiff of that when they visit the Emirates, we're screwed even if we have Champions League football.
15-08-2016, 06:16 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Christ

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15-08-2016, 06:19 PM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I disagree. It's not about Champions League football. It's more so about ambition and infrastructure. What are you working towards and will you support the managers ambition. Klopp, Mourinho and Conte won' be in the Champions League this year. That didn't stop them from going there. They didn't apply for jobs with Spurs and Leicester just because they qualified.

The biggest thing this club has going for it is that we support our manager. We're not trigger happy and have allowed Wenger to get on with things uninterrupted. That has to be a huge draw for any manager. Plus our record is so shit a new manager comes in with a chance to propel this club to a new level.

What's holding us back is the lack of spending. The appearance of lacking ambition. If that reputation stays with us people potential managers get a whiff of that when they visit the Emirates, we're screwed even if we have Champions League football.

Top managers are ambitious, and top managers want to go to clubs playing in the top competition
15-08-2016, 06:23 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Top managers are ambitious, and top managers want to go to clubs playing in the top competition

I bet they also don't mind going to clubs with a shit load of resources but are underperforming, like Utd, Pool, the dirty chavs. And us. Only difference is the reluctance of somebody at our club to part with those resources. If that's Wenger then happy days, his departure would transform the club for the better in so many ways and I'm sure plenty of prospective top managers could figure that out. If it's the board keeping hold of the purse then we're fucked and top managers will be able to figure that out too. In some ways, we'd better hope Wenger is as hapless as it appears.
15-08-2016, 06:34 PM
Özim

Arsenal will have no problem attracting a top manager, they have the money, it's a big club and it's had almost no success for 12 years, a great challenge for any manager.

Top 4 isn't necessary, people are fixated with top 4 mainly due to Wenger, he's brainwashed people into thinking it's some kind of achievement, that and money but we have plenty of that anyway.
15-08-2016, 06:42 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Top managers are ambitious, and top managers want to go to clubs playing in the top competition

Did you even read what I wrote? What are Liverpool, Chelsea and Utd? How did they attract top managers and what do you make of Leicester and Spurs being in the Top 4? Will the top managers flock to them just because of their league position?
15-08-2016, 06:52 PM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

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Originally Posted by Özim

Arsenal will have no problem attracting a top manager, they have the money, it's a big club and it's had almost no success for 12 years, a great challenge for any manager.

Top 4 isn't necessary, people are fixated with top 4 mainly due to Wenger, he's brainwashed people into thinking it's some kind of achievement, that and money but we have plenty of that anyway.

Yes I'm brainwashed and unable to formulate my own opinion

NQ made the case for Liverpool and United who have attracted decent managers without CL football, but the fact is they are clubs with ambition and Arsenal are not. The old board bought into their own hype about self sustainability and that's why they elected to sell out to an avaricious old parasite like Enos Stanley Kroenke (although still better than selling out to an actual sub human parasite like Alisher Usmanov) and we all know none of us are ignorant to the fact that Wenger is retained because they know they will get the money from a 4th place finish from him with relatively low expenditure.

They don't care if the squad is prepared for the season, they don't support the manager they just delegate everything to him. What other manager with any self respect will be prepared to be used as a deflection against criticism and disdain where it truly lies....Wenger is a dinosaur who should be put out to pasture but can you blame him for collecting his exorbitant wages for a job where he's under no pressure to exceed the minimum and wouldn't have the support from the club to do so even if he had the balls to push himself to achieve more and go out with a bang.

I don't think it escapes the footballing world what the setup is like at Arsenal, no manager really would want to enter that situation and even less likely to without the inducement of champions league.

Maybe Gazidis will have free reign to hire and fire once Wenger goes, but ultimately he will have to answer to Kroenke who won't be happy if anything upsets his investment.

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