And Wenger to Barca, plus our board goes as part f the deal? Genius. And likely to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
And Wenger to Barca, plus our board goes as part f the deal? Genius. And likely to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I agree with you. If we finish outside the top 4 it will merely be concrete evidence of our decline under AW, and it won't get any better under him. Of course that's a risk with a new manager, but this season will have shown that Wenger's philosophy and methods won't cut it with us any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I don't know what to make of Arsene right now. He cares a lot for the club - more than any other manager would for his club IMO. He's obviously an intelligent guy. But he makes a lot of stupid decisions. Some of them might be forced - I still believe that, having built a squad with the quality of strikeforce of Wiltord, Henry, Bergkamp and Kanu, he knows the value of a good striker. He knows that Chamakh, Walcott, Gervinho are not near the same calibre. But even if his hands are tied a bit, any self-respecting man would not agree to be the fall guy just so he can have £5m a year shoved in his mouth. So those are the two ideas I'm trading off. I can't decided where the truth is along those two points. But I'm not liking what we're seeing.
I hear what you say about not knowing what to make of Wenger. My thoughts are along the following lines..Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
You decide you need a bigger better modern stadium. You don't want to bust the club in the process. You want to build a team from young talent developed yourself, building a conquering side for a decade and more. All very fine and laudable.
However, the rest of the world moves on and things don't quite work out after a few years of trying. Meanwhile, the financial position improves.
Having seen (he and Gazidis implied) last season that things were not working out as planned, he said there would be a new approach. Fine. Nasri/Cesc issues made it difficult to sort out the midfield issues till last minute, though Arteta was a solid buy and something we have needed - experience. The defenders bought seemed to fit the bill.
However, Arshavin and Walcott have failed to produce goals, something you expect of attacking midfielders. They have had years to adapt and build up but this season, they have manifestly failed to deliver and it is time to call time on them. If Wenger spends NOW - this window - on buying players who can finish, I'll give him more time as it will show he has reacted to the situation. But if he persists with these players who have had more than enough chances to show they can deliver, then I think it will mean he is clinging onto the old dream and not accepting he has to move on. And if that is the case, it is time for the Arsenal to spend, not just on players, but on a new manager. He has a couple of weeks left to convince me that he has adapted.
i have supported Wenger through thick and thin....even got into a punch up with a Manc back in 2007 over my opinion that he was the best coach in the world.
However what is now clear as day is this guy is not the same Wenger who created and moulded the great Arsenal sides upto the Invincibles.
We now have a very stubborn, overtly opinionated, ego driven manager who believes eveything he says is right and it should be his way or no way.
The guys refuses to change and adapt to football and what really makes me think this is even Mourhinio came out and said that no matter how well you tactically prepare, genius football players can change a game.
I believe Wenger used to believe this, hence the reason we saw him bring in Henry, Cesc, Pires, Vieria, Overmars, Petit, RVP etc etc
However looking at our players now, how can Wenger look at Theo, Asharvin, Chamack, Squilachi, Rosicky, Arteta, Ramsey, Diaby, Gervhinio etc and say that these guys are really top top class...world class and win take us to the top.
Its about more than money...its his stubborn nature, look at Oxo, Ryo, Park etc, he refuses to give them a chance and yet will keep on playing the predicatble and awful Asharvin, Chamack etc.
Wenger as a coach, he is still one of the best, but as a manager of a top football club, unless he admits that he needs to adapt...i am sorry he is past it.
Isn't that the same clingy excuse people haul out for him all the time though?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
The mantra is essentially admitting things aren't working out, yet there is always this extra patience found when people say they're waiting to see if he's prepared to change things up - knowing full well anything out of the ordinary is unlikely to happen.
Where does the line get drawn and when is enough, enough?
For a while, after the window closed and we finally had bought some players that gave the team some backbone, things were looking up. I had hoped that with a better defence, the midfield would be more attacking and then some confidence would come into the team. If the strike force stopped snatching at their shots and played them with more confidence, we would not be in this position. Walcott and Arshavin have not taken the great opportunity they have been given. Had they done so, this result would not have happened - or others over the last few matches - and we would be praising Wenger's great management.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I said in summer that this season would be the one where Wenger needs to show he has given up on the pure form of his plan and that he must buy and keep experienced players. He seemed to be beginning to do that. If he continues to do so over this window by buying to correct our inablility to score (bar RvP) then I will be OK with it. But he gets another couple of weeks from me before I give up on the most successful manager we ever had.
Why so long? Some of us had to wait 18 years before seeing us win a title - from Oct 1971 to 1989 for me - so a mere 5 years is nothing!
Voted no
He should go now
Top post! This club is in serious decline, and its a sad day when we get beat by a team like Swansea. Exactly 6 years ago today, we thumped Middlesbrough 7-0. Example of our sharp decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I can't get on board with this. The forward deficiencies are not down to bad luck or anything like that, Theo, Arshavin etc have been poor all season but Wenger has persisted with them time and time again, he's shown a crazy unwillingness to use certain other options at his disposal. Of course if they pulled their weight we'd be signing a different tune, but you can paint any type of picture you want with ifs and buts, it doesn't change the reality of the situation.Quote:
For a while, after the window closed and we finally had bought some players that gave the team some backbone, things were looking up. I had hoped that with a better defence, the midfield would be more attacking and then some confidence would come into the team. If the strike force stopped snatching at their shots and played them with more confidence, we would not be in this position. Walcott and Arshavin have not taken the great opportunity they have been given. Had they done so, this result would not have happened - or others over the last few matches - and we would be praising Wenger's great management.
Ok he made signings in the summer, even though they were obviously enforced. Those signings probably rescued us from midtable nothingness - but only put us back on par with proceedings. If Cesc and Nasri were still here, we'd still be talking about big signings to kick us to the next level. If nothing happens over the next couple of weeks then what? In May we will be talking about giving him another summer before judging him in August, and the cycle begins again.Quote:
I said in summer that this season would be the one where Wenger needs to show he has given up on the pure form of his plan and that he must buy and keep experienced players. He seemed to be beginning to do that. If he continues to do so over this window by buying to correct our inablility to score (bar RvP) then I will be OK with it. But he gets another couple of weeks from me before I give up on the most successful manager we ever had.
Old fuck.Quote:
Why so long? Some of us had to wait 18 years before seeing us win a title - from Oct 1971 to 1989 for me - so a mere 5 years is nothing!
Exactly. Things will not change, just as they have not in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I wish him well and will always treasure some of the incredible football and moments any set of fans would be privileged to witness. But the world has moved on and Wenger hasn't.
What reminded you of that result?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
I got married the same day we crushed Middlesbrough 7 nil. Now I wish we would divorce Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Technically, you're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
The boro match was the day before your wedding.
do you understand what untenable means?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
on the other hand you may be right, we should get in owen coyle.
Technically Arsenal are still shitQuote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Cant be any worseQuote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Adjective:Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
(esp. of a position or view) Not able to be maintained or defended against attack or objection: "this argument is clearly untenable".
Synonyms: indefensible
So I don't think I've used the word in the wrong context here, but I bow to your superior wisdom.
And I'm not saying we should get Owen Coyle, that's just another smokescreen created by the pro-Wenger brigade to counter any criticism of the man. Yes, there are better managers out there at the moment, because I wouldn't put Wenger in the top 30 managers in the world at the moment.
Technically, so's your face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
Like looking in a mirror for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
No - this is it for me. Wenger and Gazidis made it perfectly clear at the end of last season that they had to change their approach and would do so. Another year of the same will make it clear that it is bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
It's all very well talking about getting in the top 4 as a priority because of the money, but if you don't use it, then it is pointless. I'd rather we won the Europa League than just went on and on with no trophy. He needs to make it clear that he is going for something. Just staying in competitions each year is not enough - we have to win some, even if it means not trying for others.
I haven't voted because I think he should step aside now.
He won't be sacked.
It's not the "pro-Wenger brigade", it's the pro-Arsenal brigade. Big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
There's a lot more going on at Arsenal than any of seem to be giving credit for. The whole place reminds me of a crime scene with the main perps having skilfully removed themselves from the frame. I'm not fooled.
You should change your name to 'Columbo'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
No, I should change my name to, "Bloke who has worked behind the scenes in many a boardroom and knows exactly the type of shit that goes on and how the perps can and do spin it." You must admit, they are a rather quiet bunch, even though they have been slitting each other's throats for the past couple of years. You can still smell them though. They can never mask the stench.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
The smell of pork with their snouts in the trough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
They did rather well, did they not? Certainly better than the team or the fans. But is Wenger in on it? I can't decide. He'd be such a fraud and hypocrite if he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
Just one more question...Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Arsenal have a man called Gazidis working for the club. Could you tell me what he does?
Lots of Arselicking I think. Sometimes he acts as the club parrot as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He's the chief executive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Chief executive. Sounds like a responsible position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Talk BSQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Would fit in well on GW
In other words, he's your dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Could be any of our dads tbh including yours.
Remind me how Theo is shit cos he cant score but then he scores so hes shit cos he played shit :lol:
NQ :bow: Changes your stance on players god knows how many times just to back up ludicrous arguments
Why should he bother reminding someone who cannot grasp simple concepts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Nope. NQ, changes his stance on players when they change how they are playing. NQ, doesn't insist Chamakh and Walcott are good players even when the evidence screams the exact opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
They should be looking at possible replacements now. Wenger is out of ideas.
You're implying the board isn't delighted with the job Wenger is doing? Whenever they descend to speak to the plebs they always say they are 100% happy with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
It's PR talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Let's leave this Board level talk alone and just talk about what's happening on the pitch. When we're losing to teams like Swansea and a coach with little Prem experience, it's best to focus on the football and where it's all going wrong. This result isn't shocking.
spot on mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
it Wenger who refuses to adapt to teams and play to our strenghts, its Wenger who keeps Oxo on the bench and Theo out wide etc etc