The Arsenal v Liverpool, Sunday 4 Feb, 4.30pm, Emirates Stadium

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Originally Posted by Letters

Correct. We are getting results in the big games and that is the “Stuff of Champions ™”. But that’s not all you need to do to win titles, you need to be winning the routine games. Which we mostly do, that’s why we are “up there”. But the lack of a clinical options costs us here and there and that is probably going to deny us the title. I can’t help feel this result will benefit City more than us. But our tails should be up so I’ll probably allow myself to not throw in the towel yet.

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Had absolutely no confidence that Havertz would score when clean through. Thankfully Saka was on hand to bury it but these are fine margins. We don’t have particularly great players up front and I do fear that will prove to be our undoing.

Havertz is a mystery. Such a poor player.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I said to my brother, if we score first we win as simple as that. The most confident I’ve been of a prediction in some time. In my view we are a better side than them, we were better than them at Anfield…they have more strength in depth but our first team trumps theirs.

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No, we aren't. That's very, very clear to see. And the worst bit, they aren't in a any way a decent team. Neither have the faintest chance in the EC. Neither of these teams would stand a chance against Paisley's 79 Liverpool.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Havertz also the best option up front imho, Konate got himself sent off trying to deal with him. Van Dijk got beasted by Martinelli and Saka.

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WTF? Are you quite serious? That guy is one of the worst wastes of space I have ever seen in an Arsenal shirt.

Explain yourself.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Correct. We are getting results in the big games and that is the “Stuff of Champions ™”. But that’s not all you need to do to win titles, you need to be winning the routine games. Which we mostly do, that’s why we are “up there”. But the lack of a clinical options costs us here and there and that is probably going to deny us the title. I can’t help feel this result will benefit City more than us. But our tails should be up so I’ll probably allow myself to not throw in the towel yet.

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Strange how we agree on some things. And how YOU can see some things, despite them being absent in the "news" pages of the BBC. Because, as I always knew, you don't have a total disregard for your own experience and intellect. Unless directed to have that disregard.

So you and I already know how this season turns out, but that doesn't make us fortune tellers. Just observers.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

WTF? Are you quite serious? That guy is one of the worst wastes of space I have ever seen in an Arsenal shirt.

Explain yourself.

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The fuck would I explain myself to you. You’re so full of shit it’s unbelievable, coming on here hectoring like an abusive drunk.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Had absolutely no confidence that Havertz would score when clean through. Thankfully Saka was on hand to bury it but these are fine margins. We don’t have particularly great players up we front and I do fear that will prove to be our undoing.

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Totally agree with you again on everything here.

A real shame we couldn't find a way of offloading Havertz for anything really and doing some creative accounting to actually get ourselves a real forward.

No surprise if this ends up being our undoing this season as everyone with basic sense called this

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Havertz also the best option up front imho, Konate got himself sent off trying to deal with him. Van Dijk got beasted by Martinelli and Saka.

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Havertz isn't a striker, (I'm not sure what he is) - but it was clearly the right option to play him further up the pitch for this one. He was a key part of the pressure that made Liverpool look ordinary.

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Originally Posted by IBK

Havertz isn't a striker, (I'm not sure what he is) - but it was clearly the right option to play him further up the pitch for this one. He was a key part of the pressure that made Liverpool look ordinary.

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Agreed 100%

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Havertz is a mystery. Such a poor player.

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if he'd cost £20m or so no-one would mind, he'd just be a good utility player, i thought he caused Liverpool a lot of trouble in the game but yes, he's a bit clumsy at times and a terrible finisher and didn't in any way justify the £65m we spent on him

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Originally Posted by Mac76

if he'd cost £20m or so no-one would mind, he'd just be a good utility player, i thought he caused Liverpool a lot of trouble in the game but yes, he's a bit clumsy at times and a terrible finisher and didn't in any way justify the £65m we spent on him

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And that is I think where we go wrong with Havertz. It’s hard not to judge him based on how much we paid for him, he will never be worth that. But if we judge him independent of his price tag, we can avoid the annoyance of where the money could have been spent better (and lord knows it should have been) and look at what he brings to the team