Match reacton thread Vs Swansea

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Originally Posted by Flavs

I would like to see us play the 4-4-1-1 that Everton do. Play RvP up top as usual but sit Arshavin just behind him, play Gervinho and Walcott a lot deeper but looking to rush forward when we win the ball. It would offer more support for RvP while playing Arshavin in his most effective role, give more protection to the back four, especially the full backs or lack thereof. The only problem is you lose a man in the midfield but playing the wider players further infield should help with that. That would mean a first team of...


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---Sagna-------Kos-------Verm--------Santos

-Walcott--------Song--------Ramteta-----megamind--

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That is what I would like to see as well because it makes no sense to play a 4-3-3 the way we do. We may a lose the extra man in the middle but I can't see the point of it of we can't dominate possession and always get cut through like butter. Our midfield trio has no discipline and it defeats the purpose of the formation. We had a discussion about Cesc at Barca some months back and Pep said he move around too and occupys others space too much. He causes confusion with his runs and needs to curb it. He learned that from Arsenal and that's what we're seeing with Rambo, Song and Arteta. Song and Rambo have no positional discipline and leave massive gaps. We might as well lose one of the trio and have more defined roles for the pair. I swear neither Ramsey or Yossi knew what their roles were against Swansea.

Anyway, I think we could get more out of Arshavin playing behind RVP. If that fails, we could at least play RVP behind an off the shoulder striker like Walcott or Park. We have plenty of untried options here. Even Chamakh could be useful the lumbering oaf. Around the box he's okay with the hold up play and a strike playing off the shoulder of defenders could work well. There are more options that haven't been tried. We're not making use of the players we have.

Arshavin is a lazy bastard or just unfit. He goes for one touch risky passes, has a bit of pace and is intelligent around the box. He has the dribbling skills to turn a man and get that extra space, but forget Messi/Ronlado type dribbling from him on the flanks. So why is Wenger playing this sort of player on the wings? He hasn't got the work rate for it and it's like Fergie playing Berbatov on the flanks. It's just a bad decision. Pace is the only thing he has going for him out wide but if you can't beat your man and if he's dead on his feet after a few burst of pace, what's the point?

It's the similar for Theo. Why play a guy out there when he's no good with the ball to his feet? He can't dribble, cross or pass. Senseless decision. Play him on the shoulder of a striker so he can worry defences. Let him focus on off the ball movement and exploiting space like Owen used to. He's no winger.

RVP is on hot form right now and if we played him in the Bergkamp role, I think he'd still get goals and probably help set up a ton as well. He's a great at creating as well as scoring and right now, we have him focussing on one thing when he could possibly be doing more to help his buddies. I wouldn't say it's vital for him to play behind a quick striker, but it is an option.

Let Areta and Song play deep central midfield roles Gervinho and Ox on the flanks and we have a more balanced side that goes back to the way we used to play. Tough tackling bastards in the middle, speed and skill on the flanks, and our main playmaker in the final third on the edge of the box. Come Wenger. For old times sakes damn it.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I would like to see us practise and master our passing, crossing and shooting. I'd like our players to decide on one style of football, either simple and efficient or overly complicated and based on percentages (I'd prefer the former myself). I'd like to see our players maybe leaving Twitter aside for a while and instead studying the game afterwards to see where they went wrong and how they can improve. Then I'd like them to remember what they have seen and work hard to ensure they don't make the same mistakes again. I'd like them to stop appearing in the newspapers talking about how Henry will revitalise the team, or how we're on the verge of becoming a super team and instead watch them do all their talking on the pitch. I'd like them to earn the huge amount the are handed each week by giving these things back to the fans who have to dig deep in a time of recession to pay to watch the team. I'd like to hear the fans stop telling Wenger how to run the team and instead try to figure out why he's running the team the way he is and then get behind him. If he fucks it up then I'm happy to hear the fans voice their concerns in the summer when these things can be more properly addressed. I'd like to see the fans listen to a legend like Thierry Henry and take his advice. I believe if the players did all this and the fans did all this the club would be in a much better place and surely that's what both the players and the fans want.

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It's not possible for the playere to organise themselves and decide on their style of play. That sort of instruction comes from the manager. You've missed Wenger out in that post. He has to show some leadership. That sounds like some self sufficient system where a manager isn't needed. I don't think young and inexperienced players can simply correct their mistakes without being told and shown how.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I would like to see us practise and master our passing, crossing and shooting. I'd like our players to decide on one style of football, either simple and efficient or overly complicated and based on percentages (I'd prefer the former myself). I'd like to see our players maybe leaving Twitter aside for a while and instead studying the game afterwards to see where they went wrong and how they can improve. Then I'd like them to remember what they have seen and work hard to ensure they don't make the same mistakes again. I'd like them to stop appearing in the newspapers talking about how Henry will revitalise the team, or how we're on the verge of becoming a super team and instead watch them do all their talking on the pitch. I'd like them to earn the huge amount the are handed each week by giving these things back to the fans who have to dig deep in a time of recession to pay to watch the team. I'd like to hear the fans stop telling Wenger how to run the team and instead try to figure out why he's running the team the way he is and then get behind him. If he fucks it up then I'm happy to hear the fans voice their concerns in the summer when these things can be more properly addressed. I'd like to see the fans listen to a legend like Thierry Henry and take his advice. I believe if the players did all this and the fans did all this the club would be in a much better place and surely that's what both the players and the fans want.

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That's a post of pure genius tbh

MLK's got fuck all on NQ.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It's not possible for the playere to organise themselves and decide on their style of play. That sort of instruction comes from the manager. You've missed Wenger out in that post. He has to show some leadership. That sounds like some self sufficient system where a manager isn't needed. I don't think young and inexperienced players can simply correct their mistakes without being told and shown how.

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when your on the pitch you don't need your manager to tell you how to shoot or pass a ball, its common sense.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

when your on the pitch you don't need your manager to tell you how to shoot or pass a ball, its common sense.

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Then maybe Wenger shouldn't take such credit for the players he's developed, now should he?

[QUOTE=Power_n_Glory;87393]That is what I would like to see as well because it makes no sense to play a 4-3-3 the way we do. We may a lose the extra man in the middle but I can't see the point of it of we can't dominate possession and always get cut through like butter. Our midfield trio has no discipline and it defeats the purpose of the formation. We had a discussion about Cesc at Barca some months back and Pep said he move around too and occupys others space too much. He causes confusion with his runs and needs to curb it. He learned that from Arsenal and that's what we're seeing with Rambo, Song and Arteta. Song and Rambo have no positional discipline and leave massive gaps. We might as well lose one of the trio and have more defined roles for the pair. I swear neither Ramsey or Yossi knew what their roles were against Swansea.

Anyway, I think we could get more out of Arshavin playing behind RVP. If that fails, we could at least play RVP behind an off the shoulder striker like Walcott or Park. We have plenty of untried options here. Even Chamakh could be useful the lumbering oaf. Around the box he's okay with the hold up play and a strike playing off the shoulder of defenders could work well. There are more options that haven't been tried. We're not making use of the players we have.

Arshavin is a lazy bastard or just unfit. He goes for one touch risky passes, has a bit of pace and is intelligent around the box. He has the dribbling skills to turn a man and get that extra space, but forget Messi/Ronlado type dribbling from him on the flanks. So why is Wenger playing this sort of player on the wings? He hasn't got the work rate for it and it's like Fergie playing Berbatov on the flanks. It's just a bad decision. Pace is the only thing he has going for him out wide but if you can't beat your man and if he's dead on his feet after a few burst of pace, what's the point?

It's the similar for Theo. Why play a guy out there when he's no good with the ball to his feet? He can't dribble, cross or pass. Senseless decision. Play him on the shoulder of a striker so he can worry defences. Let him focus on off the ball movement and exploiting space like Owen used to. He's no winger.

RVP is on hot form right now and if we played him in the Bergkamp role, I think he'd still get goals and probably help set up a ton as well. He's a great at creating as well as scoring and right now, we have him focussing on one thing when he could possibly be doing more to help his buddies. I wouldn't say it's vital for him to play behind a quick striker, but it is an option.

Let Areta and Song play deep central midfield roles Gervinho and Ox on the flanks and we have a more balanced side that goes back to the way we used to play. Tough tackling bastards in the middle, speed and skill on the flanks, and our main playmaker in the final third on the edge of the box. Come Wenger. For old times sakes damn it.[/QUOTE]

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Arsene aint listening.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It's not possible for the playere to organise themselves and decide on their style of play. That sort of instruction comes from the manager. You've missed Wenger out in that post. He has to show some leadership. That sounds like some self sufficient system where a manager isn't needed. I don't think young and inexperienced players can simply correct their mistakes without being told and shown how.

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I'm not talking about formation or tactics. I'm talking about the basics of football, something a good few of our players seem to struggle with - some of them struggle year after year. They are very noisy off the pitch but are close to silent on it. I find the blame everything on Wenger idea, from the finances to Theo Walcott's inability to pass a ball, to be ludicrous. If we are really going to look at what's going on at Arsenal then let's do that instead of honing in on one aspect and trying to contort it into every possible shape to fit every possible scenario. 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 4-5-1, we only have one striker! What difference does it make. The others couldn't reliably hit the ocean from the beach and I;d like to know why that is and why it doesn't seem to be improving. If Wenger sends the team out with instructions to pas to the opposition, make it as complicated as possible in the final third and lash the ball 30 yards over the goal at every opportunity then fine, sack him. Is that what he does?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I'm not talking about formation or tactics. I'm talking about the basics of football, something a good few of our players seem to struggle with - some of them struggle year after year. They are very noisy off the pitch but are close to silent on it. I find the blame everything on Wenger idea, from the finances to Theo Walcott's inability to pass a ball, to be ludicrous. If we are really going to look at what's going on at Arsenal then let's do that instead of honing in on one aspect and trying to contort it into every possible shape to fit every possible scenario. 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 4-5-1, we only have one striker! What difference does it make. The others couldn't reliably hit the ocean from the beach and I;d like to know why that is and why it doesn't seem to be improving. If Wenger sends the team out with instructions to pas to the opposition, make it as complicated as possible in the final third and lash the ball 30 yards over the goal at every opportunity then fine, sack him. Is that what he does?

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Arsene aint listening.

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tbh, he shouldn't be listening to internet twats who wouldn't have the foggiest clue what is involved in running a Premiershihp club. Some of his decisions are baffling but I'm not sure he should be looking here for advice.