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this is all very amusing but remember we're paying Super Jackboot for his passing vision, not his political vision.
As long as he doesn't go all Stoke City and start sending Ozil pigs heads for japes I could care less if he is privately a John Terry fan.
true however it is quite refreshing to see a player give his opinion freely instead of the usual we will try our best/we will come back stronger the next game bollocks most come out with these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Nayan
give it up boy. He is full of shit. Thing is he is a 20 year old footballer who would in all probablity be on EDL marches if he couldnt play football. No problem with that - we wanted more snarl and bite in our squad and now we have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Keep it in perspective though. Terry and Suarez are even more overt about their leanings, Joey Barton's brother is an actual racist murderer and Ravel Morrison was done for witness intimidation. Allegedly
Jackboot smokes cigarettes and sounds like someones obnoxious grandma . Big fucking deal.
how was he pwned by fashinu? if you moved to spain and lived there for five years, would you consider yourself spanish or english?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
and its the same for a young player, if you live in one country, grow up in that country, your parents are from that country, you speak that country's language and move to another country just to play football, you wouldnt then go I'm now that country's nationality. you would just be working in that country while still being your original nationality.
he might be full of shit, and tweet about fifa and his child and spit on spurs fans, however we are not talking about that. we are talking about what he said in this interview. the media have gone to town on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nayan
ill ask you a question. whatever nationality you are (i dont know so apologies) now, if you were to move country to work, would you consider yourself after five years to be your current nationality or would you have become the nationality of whereever you moved too? im pretty sure you would still consider yourself to be your original nationality.
also if we are not careful, international football will soon become club football with countries trying to sign if you like, the best talents. they will scouts, find the good young kids and sign them to their country.
To be fair to him, I guess it depends on what he means by "English".
If he is referring to the likes of Januzaj, even if not implicitly, then he may have a point. It does render the whole idea of international football kinda useless if you can just pick and choose halfway through your career, on the other hand other countries are at it and we need all the help we can get to compete with them.
But, and I suspect this is what he actually means, if he is only referring to those born within the geographical border then he is on slippery ground. And given we've gone way past the point of no return with regard to immigration it's a situation that will only become more common.
I'm far more depressed by his description of British football. It's horribly accurate.... and one of the main reasons we're perennially shit.
The joke about him not getting in the Spanish team was a good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I never though Almunia should be considered for England so in that sense I agree players shouldn't just live in a country for a few years to become eligible.
That said, Jack should shut his yap about things like this. He has a right to an opinion but is it really a good idea to be spouting it in the media?
To be fair, he's just answering a question he's been asked.
That being said, I'm beginning to not like Jack very much.
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Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss
i disagree with what you think he meant. By saying the five years in spain thing, it clearly shows to me that he was talking about the qualifying for england by living here for five years. I dont think he would suggest you cant play for england if you werent born here as you cant help where you are born.
The GHEL is right about point of nationality and national sport representation, and I am not even English. Surely people can't just turn around after living here 5 years and suddenly they can play for England, that's some real bullshit.
....but hey the FA is fine with it and "offended minorities" are up in arms, so farkin' what. People try so hard to fit in, so much so that they are willing to sell out their identity, heritage, pride, honour, history and dignity for money.
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Originally Posted by Letters
said this in earlier post, its nice to see players actually give opinions. instead of just spouting the usual, we will do our best, good team spirit etc that we all get annoyed about with Arsenal, especially wenger. obviously if he came out with something stupid like "ban all foreigners from living in Britain" then yes we should worry, however he gave an honsest answer, a fair answer on an issue that actually does need to be debated in football because otherwise we run the risk of international football becoming like club football with signing players.
and i dont get our media, why ask a question of a player, twist his words, and basically make sure that no player is likely to want to speak to you again? if i was a player and saw what they did to jack for an honest answer, id probally never talk to them. they cant do a job then so why do they do it?
Yeah, Ollie. It's come as a massive shock to us all that the media have made a fuss about this.
It's a sensitive subject, anyone with any nous would have known it was something it wasn't wise to talk about.
Jack endlessly plays up to the thick player stereotype.
Just shut your yap, Jack, and concentrate on your game.
Determining nationality is stupid. I was born in UAE and lived 18 years but I am not a citizen. I have lived in the US for over 11 years and I am not a citizen. I am a citizen of Bangladesh since my parents are from there but I have never lived there. I can get married to an American tomorrow and become American.. does that make me American? What is the basis or time frame for when a person becomes 'English' or 'American' or from any other country?
Frankly speaking, if you have a passport from that country, you should be eligible for that country. Players, pundits and any other opinion should be put in a bin and shat on tbh. If Adnan Janujaz or some other player stays five years in UK, becomes a citizen and plays for England, good for him! Jack shouldve just avoided that question and let his football do the talking... lord knows his football has done fuck all for a long time!
He came back from Bolton radicalised by abu K'DaviesQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
this topic has brought a highly inappropriate joke out. made me piss myself with laughter though.
dont read if easily offended
im not shocked the media made a huge fuss of it, however by twisting his words like they do with countless others, they will eventually get nothing as no one will want to talk to them because they just write what they want anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
yes Jack should have said nothing, and should focus on his game however he didnt say anything outrageous. everyone on here since ive posted has pretty much all said the same thing, if you live in a country for five years, it doesnt make you that nationailty and therefore shouldnt play
nobody is twisting his words. He is talking out of his arse, and then making it worse with his 'clarification'
claiming a press conspiracy makes you sounds like a Liverpool fan. Give it a rest.
lets just take Januazj for example. he can choose to play for about five countries right now. how is that right? this situation becomes like club football. the clubs all have their offers on the tables and the players chooses the right offer. international sport, not just football, is not about picking which country suits your needs the most, its about playing for YOUR country. what Jack said is spot on. he hasnt said anyone not born in england cant play, he hasnt said anything racist, hes just said anyone who isnt english but has lived in england for the qualifiying period shouldnt play as they arent english which is spot on
They're all against us damnit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nayan
That is a direct quote from Alan Shearer. now what he said about being born in england is utter bollocks. My entire family is english, however i was born in switzerland as mum and dad worked out there for a couple of years. So in Shearers mind, im not english despite my brothers, parents, grandparents being english. that is utter bollocks. suprisiningly there has been no mention of this quote thoughQuote:
He told BBC Sport: "I am of the opinion that to be English you should be born in England. Maybe with the state of English football we haven't got enough world-class players.
1) people who come to live in england can become naturalised and then rightly take their place as citizens same as you.
2) others can quite legitimately have dual nationalities (one of which can indeed feature a UK passport).
3) Jackboot is reported to have said that those not born here should not play for England. Go do some reading.
I dont care about Jackboot's views on nationalism and whether nationality is goverend by place of birth or by blood. I just want him to shut the fuck up.
PS: he, it should not be forgotten, also took to Twitter on St. George's Day two years ago to tweet the following:
"Through thick and thin until I die my ENGLISH PRIDE stands so high......happy st Georges day.
My ENGLISH pride I will not hide. The ENGLISH race I wont disgrace. My ENGLISH blood flows hot and true and ENGLISH people I’ll stand by you."
(THis verse appears on EDL websites).
But no - he is not a racist. Just like he is not a smoker
fuck you, scouse scum. Go back to your own country :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss
He wasn't set up, he just showed himself to be an idiot. He was invited to speak at the dinner table and he embarrassed himself. Now the press know there isn't much going on up there. Maybe they thought he'd have a more balanced view since he plays for a club like Arsenal where competition for places are high but he still managed to rise to the top. Gerrard made a statement about the foreign players killing English talent again (bullshit) and the journalists have readdressed this issue speaking to one of England's 'brightest' stars.
Plenty of ways he could have answered that question without sounding foolish.
Jack needs to shut the fuck up really.
Stick to focusing on your football.
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Originally Posted by Munchies
how can i come to england and rightly take my place as a citizen when i was born british? ignoring that, what i believe he is saying is how people shouldnt be weighing up which country they will play for on the basis of which offers them the highest chance of success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nayan
heres an example. person x has lived in country a for all 18 years of his life. he is for intents and purposes a citizen of country a, speaks their language, lives there etc etc. however country a never qualifies for world cup or euros, has no chance of success. however because his grandparents are from country b, he could play for them even though he never considered himself anything to do with country b but because country b has more chance of success he plays for them. is that right? he's just using country b for personal glory despite never having had anything to do it with it, always considering himself a national of country a but because of technicalities he can play for them?
Yes thats fair enough, but using the example above if htey have had nothing to do with one country, why should they just play for them for personal glory. using myself here, i could apparently claim swiss nationaitly if i wanted to, however whatever my reasons for doing that, id still never consider myself swiss. no one can say "im swiss and english" you are one or the other.Quote:
2) others can quite legitimately have dual nationalities (one of which can indeed feature a UK passport).
i have done some reading, and i have never seen a quote saying "you can only play for england if you are born in england" in fact the only person i have seen say that is Alan Shearer. Jack has just taken to twitter and tweeted saying he never said that either. there might be a quote on one newspaper saying it, but on the reports i have read, i havnt seen it.Quote:
3) Jackboot is reported to have said that those not born here should not play for England. Go do some reading.
to throw a spanner in the works in how jack clearly is a fool and has no idea of what he is saying.
heres a quote from Wengeragain spot on thereQuote:
“I agree. If we're not clear on it, national teams will become like a club - players will buy passports."
Some twitter comments he's receiving : :haha:
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images...7a7403717.jpeg
'why do you look wrecked in your picture?'
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40jack...ypd&f=realtime
He's playing like he needs to start focussing on his football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
no, my mistake - he is reported as having said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
for the rest - others can come here and be naturalised English, thus taking up citizenship just like your citizenship, ie they rank pari passu with you in the 'englishness' stakes. Whassamatter? English not your first language or something?
naturalised english and english are two different things though. as i said before, you cant just change your nationality. you cant be x for 30 years then y for the rest. it doesnt work like that, however the difference is, your children can change. by that i mean, if you move to a country, while you will never take that nationality fully because you will always be your original nationality, your children if born there or move at a very young age will always consider themselves that countries nationality because they grew up there, spoke that language went to school there etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nayan
naturalised english and english are the same thing. Yes you can change your nationality - It was good enough for the welsh, dutch, scottish and german rulers of this country since Richard III, so its good enough for you, my Toblerone munching friend.
And one or more of the Georges never spoke english.
So in fact yes, it does work like that.
Please clarify how i changed my nationality. I'm confused how my parents, brothers, grandparents etc are all english yet i changed to be english?
I never claimed that you did. Unless you are in fact a long-since-deceased monarch of this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
You're not are you?
Agreed, Januzaj shouldn't even be considered for England. I don't care if he was the next Maradona, what's the point of international football if you can just draft anyone in? That's like signing the next Usain Bolt for GB in the Olympics. We might as well throw in a transfer window if that's the way it's going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss
It's another case if it's players that are part English or have grown up here. But not a Belgian born Kosovan kid who's only been in the country for a year. :lol:
He has been here since he was 16 tbf and even so, he still has another three years to go. I find this discussion bemusing really, this isn't like club football where a player can eventually go to many clubs in many countries, he only has the one 'choice' for a national team when it comes to senior level, I highly doubt anybody is going to waste that on a country they have no emotional feeling or pull towards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
That's all well and good.
But this is some bullshit.
We have to remember who we are?Quote:
We have to remember what we are. We are English. We tackle hard, are tough on the pitch and are hard to beat.
"We have great characters. You think of Spain and you think technical but you think of England and you think they are brave and they tackle hard. We have to remember that.
"The only people who should play for England are English people. If I went to Spain and lived there for five years, I'm not going to play for Spain."
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Dennis Bergkamp makes an interesting point here. I dont know if this is from an interview or his autobiogrpahy though. Even he supports what Jack is saying to a degree
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you say that but (different sport here) in cricket, look at morgan, rankin, joyce. all played for ireland then started playing for england. some get two choices it seemsQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
It's bullshit, Ollie. That 'we have to remember who we are' talk is borderline. He should have a word with some of the French nationals cause that sort of talk was rife in France. Caused a lot of shit.
Edit: John Barnes...wonder how he feels about this.
