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[Ollie the Optimist]

no, boy. others can come here and be naturalised English, thus taking up citizenship just like your citizenship, ie they rank pari passu with you in the 'englishness' stakes. Whassamatter? English not your first language or something?

naturalised english and english are two different things though. as i said before, you cant just change your nationality. you cant be x for 30 years then y for the rest. it doesnt work like that, however the difference is, your children can change. by that i mean, if you move to a country, while you will never take that nationality fully because you will always be your original nationality, your children if born there or move at a very young age will always consider themselves that countries nationality because they grew up there, spoke that language went to school there etc etc.

[Nayan]

naturalised english and english are the same thing. Yes you can change your nationality - It was good enough for the welsh, dutch, scottish and german rulers of this country since Richard III, so its good enough for you, my Toblerone munching friend.
And one or more of the Georges never spoke english.

So in fact yes, it does work like that.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Please clarify how i changed my nationality. I'm confused how my parents, brothers, grandparents etc are all english yet i changed to be english?

[Nayan]

Please clarify how i changed my nationality. I'm confused how my parents, brothers, grandparents etc are all english yet i changed to be english?

I never claimed that you did. Unless you are in fact a long-since-deceased monarch of this country.
You're not are you?

[Penguin]

To be fair to him, I guess it depends on what he means by "English".

If he is referring to the likes of Januzaj, even if not implicitly, then he may have a point. It does render the whole idea of international football kinda useless if you can just pick and choose halfway through your career, on the other hand other countries are at it and we need all the help we can get to compete with them.
But, and I suspect this is what he actually means, if he is only referring to those born within the geographical border then he is on slippery ground. And given we've gone way past the point of no return with regard to immigration it's a situation that will only become more common.

I'm far more depressed by his description of British football. It's horribly accurate.... and one of the main reasons we're perennially shit.

Agreed, Januzaj shouldn't even be considered for England. I don't care if he was the next Maradona, what's the point of international football if you can just draft anyone in? That's like signing the next Usain Bolt for GB in the Olympics. We might as well throw in a transfer window if that's the way it's going.

It's another case if it's players that are part English or have grown up here. But not a Belgian born Kosovan kid who's only been in the country for a year.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Agreed, Januzaj shouldn't even be considered for England. I don't care if he was the next Maradona, what's the point of international football if you can just draft anyone in? That's like signing the next Usain Bolt for GB in the Olympics. We might as well throw in a transfer window if that's the way it's going.

It's another case if it's players that are part English or have grown up here. But not a Belgian born Kosovan kid who's only been in the country for a year.

He has been here since he was 16 tbf and even so, he still has another three years to go. I find this discussion bemusing really, this isn't like club football where a player can eventually go to many clubs in many countries, he only has the one 'choice' for a national team when it comes to senior level, I highly doubt anybody is going to waste that on a country they have no emotional feeling or pull towards.

[Power n Glory]

That's all well and good.

But this is some bullshit.

We have to remember what we are. We are English. We tackle hard, are tough on the pitch and are hard to beat.

"We have great characters. You think of Spain and you think technical but you think of England and you think they are brave and they tackle hard. We have to remember that.

"The only people who should play for England are English people. If I went to Spain and lived there for five years, I'm not going to play for Spain."

We have to remember who we are?

[Ollie the Optimist]

That's all well and good.

But this is some bullshit.



We have to remember who we are?

Dennis Bergkamp makes an interesting point here. I dont know if this is from an interview or his autobiogrpahy though. Even he supports what Jack is saying to a degree

[Ollie the Optimist]

He has been here since he was 16 tbf and even so, he still has another three years to go. I find this discussion bemusing really, this isn't like club football where a player can eventually go to many clubs in many countries, he only has the one 'choice' for a national team when it comes to senior level, I highly doubt anybody is going to waste that on a country they have no emotional feeling or pull towards.

you say that but (different sport here) in cricket, look at morgan, rankin, joyce. all played for ireland then started playing for england. some get two choices it seems

[Power n Glory]

It's bullshit, Ollie. That 'we have to remember who we are' talk is borderline. He should have a word with some of the French nationals cause that sort of talk was rife in France. Caused a lot of shit.

Edit: John Barnes...wonder how he feels about this.