i could see a bid for suarez. wont be cup tied or anything because not playing in europe. and if liverpool playing badly we are doing well, it oculd happen. but cnat see a bid for anyone else
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i could see a bid for suarez. wont be cup tied or anything because not playing in europe. and if liverpool playing badly we are doing well, it oculd happen. but cnat see a bid for anyone else
was there any other player out there who could have untied the fan base with such excitment over their signing then ozil?
thats not to say there arent good players, suarez, fabregas and rooney all would have been great signings but wouldnt have had 100% support like ozil does.
who else would have done what the ozil signing has done? i think of about 2/3 players. falcao, di maria and higuain
Rooney won't come here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Those guys aren't the same level. Xavi, Iniesta, Parker, somebody like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
on a serious note, im not saying those three players are on the same level as Ozil but i think would have created a huge buzz too, maybe not as much but still pretty exciting
Now that we're buying from Madrid & Ancelotti may have pissed a few of the players off with the Ozil situation we should try the waters with a Jan bid for Varane. He's under contract & he'll cost but he WILL be the worlds best defender with 2/3 more years maturing.
Not under Wenger he won't be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Brilliant CB though.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8906252/?
Yeah alright, calm down...
Marca is apperently running a story, that Özils father is trying to ruin his career, that he wanted to stay at Madrid but his father persuaded him to leave for arsenal and so on... Seems like Madrid are trying to save grace through their good friends at marca.
Poor bastard, they probably shoved microphones through his toilet window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
It's not going to improve their mood much when they see how hyped Bale is :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
http://instagram.com/p/d2GDNiErus/
Ozil interview trailer from Arsenal.com :lol:
Good thing his english is quite good
it was rioch who signed Ozil. true story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Lolzil :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
I can't see us being so staunch in our refusal to sell him to you in the summer, just to then sell him to you in January. In some ways it would be worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
We'll sell him next summer that's for sure, but we'll hope against all hope it'll be abroad. Barring a huge bid from someone like City. Saying that, part of me wonders whether we'd have preferred the money this summer, provided he left the country. And when it was obvious that would never come we changed our tune from saying we'd consider ~£55m to him simply not being for sale, though I guess him acting like a dick didn't help either.
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Would it be too mental even for Madrid if they went and bought Ozil back off you?
I can't really remember a more popular player though. So far as you guys are 100% behind it in that he's a great signing and not a complete arsehole, RM fans are up in arms and even some of their players aren't happy. Little bit coup tbf.
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Originally Posted by LDG
Hi! I'm Steve French and I approve of this post. :good:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23958489Quote:
When 20,000 Real Madrid fans flocked to the Bernabeu on Monday to witness the unveiling of their latest galactico, it wasn't only Gareth Bale's name they chanted.
"Don't sell Ozil" echoed around the famous stadium, to the visible discomfort of club president Florentino Perez.
When, hours later, midfielder Mesut Ozil's £42.4m transfer to Arsenal was confirmed, the mourning could begin in earnest.
Real star Cristiano Ronaldo said he was "angry" about the Germany international's departure, while defender Sergio Ramos tweeted a picture of himself holding his now former team-mate's last Madrid shirt as he lamented the loss of "the king of the assist". A poll of Real fans in Spanish sports daily AS revealed 66% opposed his transfer.
Their disappointment is easy to understand. Over the past five seasons, 24-year-old Ozil has provided more assists and created more chances than any other player in Europe's top five leagues.
In a direct statistical comparison with Bale, also 24, Ozil is top in almost every category. While Real's higher standing than Spurs may explain his better tally of assists and chances, the German also has a superior shooting accuracy, as well as a higher completion of passes, crosses and dribbles.
"Whenever I speak to Barcelona fans about which [rival] player they would most like to have in their team, the one who would merge most fluently with their style, they always say Ozil," Spanish football expert John Carlin told BBC Sport.
"He's got a very quick football mind and is immensely skilful. He is one of those players who needs less time than other players. His exquisite touch gives him that extra fraction of a second to look up and see the gap and put the ball there for a goalscorer."
Ozil's national coach, Joachim Low, described Real's decision to sell the player as "incomprehensible".
Carlin, who wrote a book about Real Madrid during David Beckham's time at the club and pens a weekly football column for Spanish newspaper El Pais, believes the explanation for Ozil's sale lies less in manager Carlo Ancelotti's tactical plans, and more in Perez's impulsive nature.
"Perez is extremely capricious," said Carlin. "An avid art collector, you could give him all the Picasso and Dali paintings in the world, and he would still want to buy up the Miros.
"He has this acquisitive lust. And so, when [21-year-old Spain international] Isco came on the market, Real didn't really need him, but he is beautiful and Perez knew that if Real didn't buy him, someone else would.
"Once he was bought, there was always going to be pressure on Ancelotti to make sure Isco played, even though Ozil is much more the final product. When you throw Bale and [Croatia midfielder] Luka Modric into the mix you have a problem, and something had to give."
That something was Ozil, the son of Turkish immigrants, who grew up in Gelsenkirchen playing football on a fenced-off gravel pitch known as "the monkey cage".
Having come through the youth system at Schalke, Ozil moved to Werder Bremen in January 2008 at the age of 19 and helped the club reach the Uefa Cup final.
English audiences got their first glimpse of him during the 2009 European Under-21 Championship, when he was a key part of the Germany side that destroyed England 4-0 in the final.
"Even at the age of 17, Ozil was already making scouts very excited, but that tournament was the real breakthrough," recalls Tor-Kristian Karlsen, who spent 15 years working as a scout for leading European clubs, including German side Bayer Leverkusen and Zenit St Petersburg of Russia.
"He was absolutely outstanding and that really established him in people's consciousness. He was part of a very, very exciting generation of young German players who were quickly catapulted into the national team."
Ozil was an instant success at full international level, starring in Germany's 4-1 victory over England and 4-0 demolition of Argentina at the 2010 World Cup to earn himself a place in Fifa's team of the tournament and a move to Real Madrid.
When he wasn't setting up goals for Ronaldo and helping Real topple Barcelona to win the league title in 2011-12, Ozil lived a quiet life off the pitch, avoiding the Madrid celebrity circuit.
A practising Muslim, he recites the Koran before matches and observes fasting during Ramadan as much as his sporting commitments allow.
At Arsenal, Ozil will join international team-mates Per Mertesacker and Lukas Podolski, and a German-speaking manager who shattered his club's transfer record to sign him.
Ozil says the faith shown in him by Arsene Wenger persuaded him to move, and according to Carlin, the set-up at the Emirates should be ideally suited to a player who needs to feel wanted.
"If there is one doubt about him, he is a player who can sometimes drift out of the reckoning in games," said Carlin.
"He needs a lot of love from the manager. He is a beautiful flower who is a bit frail, but if he is well looked after, he will deliver."
Ozil's signing prompted an ecstatic reaction from Gunners players and fans. Podolski, Santi Cazorla, Jack Wilshere and Aaron Ramsey have all tweeted enthusiastically about their new team-mate, while shirt sales at the club's online shop are 12 times higher than usual.
Karlsen, who left his post as Monaco chief executive in March, believes Ozil is a "great fit" for the Londoners. He is concerned, however, by over-inflated expectations that even a player of Ozil's pedigree could struggle to live up to.
"Ozil's game is all about finesse, intuition and creativity so Arsenal's style is ideally suited to his talents," said Karlsen.
"But we have to give him time because English football is very different to what he is used to. Players are more aggressive and will deny him the space he is used to in Spain.
"He is one of many top attacking midfielders who have joined Premier League clubs in the transfer window, including Willian at Chelsea, [Stevan] Jovetic at Manchester City and [Erik] Lamela at Spurs. Only time will tell whether Ozil can prove himself the best of the bunch."
Mourned in Madrid, already adored at Arsenal. Ozil has a lot to live up to.
Also shows stats comparing him to inferior players such as Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc and a direct comparison with Bale
It was a schizophrenic summer, that's why I'm still not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Not that Özil was a panic buy, but there is still a whiff of opportunism about it, and of needs must.
After spending all that time posturing about what we could now afford, the extra pressure of an opening day loss, and our transfer inactivity, the club wanted and needed a marquee signing.
I don't think for a minute Ozil was on the shopping list initially. We really wanted a forward, but it all came down to circumstance and the club figured 'fuck it, it's more than we wanted to pay, but we have to do something'.
2 freebies and a goalie don't put bums on seats.
Signing Ozil is great, but it tells us little about the sustainability of this kind of outlay. If this is our new threshold, ~£45m per year, we can be back challenging within 2. If not, then we'll find our level.
Either way, I'd expect the usual round of 'The market is very difficult in January'.
To be fair the market genuinely is difficult in January. But something has happened this summer, it would have been impossible to listen to another round of excuses in January otherwise. I don't think the fee is expensive at all, when a player like that comes up and somehow city and utd and the chavs don't get first bite then you have to act if you are in a position to do so and have any ambition at all. You can't let a player like that sail past especially as Wenger has wanted to sign him for a while. So it probably wasn't planned but it was an unmissable opportunity when it presented itself.
There's also a suggestion we were set to hand over a pile of cash to HMRC if we didn't get rid of the money elsewhere, not sure if that's true but if it is it's even sweeter, getting a great player as well as denying the thieving government pigs. Pissed off the spuds, turned Levy from a hero to a bitter little troll rushing around trying to scupper our plans and failing, made Utd look cheap, piled more pressure on Moyes, pissed of Madrid and divided their fans, poured cold water on Bale's unveiling, made Martin Samuel and his media buddies cry.
This deal absolutely had to be done, it was as if the stars aligned in a once in a lifetime pattern. Although it's twice for us now because we had Dennis Bergkamp too!
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Originally Posted by fakeyank
Precisely correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
So many priceless things rolled into one. :lol:
Wenger's comment about sometimes having to pay over the odds suggests he at least didn't think the price was inexpensive. Old habits will die hard I suspect.
Obviously we all hope this is new start, signing Ozil was hard, keeping hold of him will be harder if we don't keep investing.
Players like this don't stick around in second tier teams.
He's a level above most of the players in the team, so hopefully they all raise their game now. He'll be gone in a few seasons if we repeat what's gone on recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
it's quite amazing what one real display of intent has done to the supporters belief.
what has been forgotten is the fact this is wenger's last year of his contract, which many - and perhaps growing into most in recent months - and hoped would be his last.
so the question is where does this leave the contract from both the directors point of view and the supporters? and wenger himself?
Don't know where you got that from? Can't recall anyone saying that.Quote:
what has been forgotten is the fact this is wenger's last year of his contract, which many - and perhaps growing into most in recent months - and hoped would be his last
Yeah a bit out of the blue, that. Fans have always been behind the manager.
Is this the last year of Wenger's contract?
I have no doubt he will sign a new contract... Especially after signing Özil, and Özil saying that Wenger convinced him with his plans about him.
sure isQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...t-8773907.html
i bet that's what rvp thought too at the start of last season...Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Yeah he's given fans hope again with this signing and beating spurs. I said elsewhere, no other team in 2013 has picked up more points then we have. Since spurs in march we have only lost to villa. He's doing something right clearly, but doubts still remain about the big games. At the moment, no new contract, but if by February we are still heavily competing in tournaments, maybe have some good signings amd team playing well then I feel he will probably deserve one but I'd hold offering it completely until end of season amd judge themQuote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTVcp_DCMAAWzgX.jpg
I wouldn't know how to react if I did see someone with this :lol:
Ferguson was old as fuck and had health problems, everyone including RVP knew it was gonna happend within a few years. Cant compare that situation with a contract thats about to run out, especially when the club and the manager both wants to continue working together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Still can't believe this is real.
Just how did we manage to get the world's most creative player here?
What did Wenger, and more importantly, Pods and Merts, tell him?
Time now Wenger get Suarez and Varano to come home. Do that and all will be forgiven.
You know that if Podolski was shown this, there is a 99.9% chance that he'll do this to Ozil's shirt on matchday. :whistle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
A few years is a lil bit different than a solitary season, something RVP would not have been expecting at all. He probably thought in a couple years he'll head off for a big contract in Saudi or the US anyway, after collecting a few of Fergie's last trophies. It's perfectly logical to assume that Wenger signed Ozil for Arsenal and our future.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Fergie retiring has probably woken Wenger up to the fact he actually can retire, it will act as a form of inspiration that he can step away from his obsessiveness. You seem pretty sure he wants to stick around buy I wouldn't be so confident. He has been battered from all sides for a while now and we've seen it take its toll on him. He's not a young man anymore. I don't think there is any certainty that he will stay on past this season.
'my deluded spud' Has this been posted already? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf0dlFSOAi4
I still think this season will be his last.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz