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Verms has never bee a good defender for us, what he's has always been good at is making those hollywood tackles, which has completely obscure the fact that, he had to make those tackles because he was out of position.
I know people don't like Gallas, but after Gallas got injured during Verms first season, he got exposed, and all the sudden the team started to leak goals crazy.
gallas or not, we've always conceded goals. look at our invincible teams record.
verm isn't the worst defender but then again isn't even our second best.
No I think it was Henry in the 0-0 draw at Highbury in 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
take your tongue out of his bum and face facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
no he isnt.
hes a top defender.
a top defender managed by a clueless idiot.
clichy shite here, goes city and becomes consistent.
i thought toure was quality against united. towards the end of his spell he was abysmal here.
there is definetly something in these rift rumours regarding bould and wenger. all over the press today. no smoke without fire and that.
at the beginning of the season we looked brilliant defensively. midfield tracked back and helped out, defence worked as a unit. ever since wenger was asked about bould post liverpool match and he replied with something along the lines of: 'actually it is the work of everyone. you cannot praise just one individual. we have all been working together' its gone completely downhill.
as mentioned on a blog i read this morning, what does a control freak do when he's under pressure? he tightens his grip.
he's blind to the obvious.
he used to tell henry to cut inside and look for the top corner of the goal. henry did it. he tells the same to gervinho and it goes into row z. he used to tell pires to switch flanks and take the defender on. he did it. he tells arshavin the same and he loses the ball. he used to play edu on the right of midfield to squeeze the opposition and we used to win games. he does the same with ramsey and we end up losing.
wenger doesnt understand whats going wrong and he doesnt understand why players dont respond to him anymore. he's blind to the obvious. he doesnt want to give up because he believes he can turn it around.
well you cant. so please piss off.
He was good when he 1st joined.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
you could put maldini in that defence and he'd be fucking shite.
simple as that.
:gp::gp::gp:http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/im...s/goodpost.gif 100% bloody accurateQuote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winter Wonderland
That's crazy talk. Wenger isn't responsible for Verm constantly getting too close to the attacker and diving in. That's Verms fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winter Wonderland
You can blame Wenger for buying and playing him but no-one can coach Verm to stop getting too close and diving in at his age. It's too late, it's his natural reaction.
Clichy is just as shit for City as he was for us. He just gets exposed less because he's playing in a far better team.
eh?
coaching and managing players isnt the managers responsibility? :lol:
so what do we pay him £7m a year for, to sit in a dugout for 2 hours every saturday? :lol:
and what do you mean 'at his age'? he isnt a boxer he's a footballer. its never too late to learn. footballers can adapt to different styles and tactics week on week. if you coach vermaelen how to approach the opposition correctly and maximise the opportunity of winning the ball then he'll improve. you dont just give up on players if they make mistakes do you? you try and help them improve. try to correct their flaws. they learn new things everyday in training. its a continual learning process.
the problem at our club is that the learning process is nowhere to be seen because wenger focuses on attack. we saw an improvement in vermaelen and other defenders at the beginning of the season when the players admitted bould had a huge influence in training. now its gone back to shit. because wengers gone awol.