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I thought it was funny that they blew a two goal lead so late on, but to be honest I just thought “no wonder Chelsea beat them so easily”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
I still don’t think they are a great side, they’ve got some fantastic attacking talent but they can’t defend for shit and not just against us but against Villa they needed Donnarumna to bail them out
Rice is pretty much the de facto captain and I don’t think anyone would disagree that he is a born leader. Can’t remember the last time we had a player as universally liked than him. Think he’s nailed as the next England captain too.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
The problem really is that why would you risk creating unnecessary problems by taking the armband off Odegaard? I have been hugely disappointed with his performances over the past year but it’s hardly worthy of being stripped. Rice will still be the man he is with or without the captaincy so I don’t see an issue here.
Adams does have a track record of talking a load of waffle though. Probably why his managerial career never got going. These comments from him are unnecessary, talk about where we’ve got wrong tactically but there’s no need to dig out individuals.
I’d argue that Odegaard is hiding behind the captaincy and if he wasn’t captain (and we weren’t so pauce in that position) he’d have been dropped. So I’d argue that he absolutely deserves to be stripped of the captaincy and told that he can no longer rely on being an automatic starter, and if he can’t handle that “there’s the door”. We can’t carry passengers anymore and if that creates problems in the dressing room, all the camaraderie that’s spoken about is built on a house of sand and spoken about for PR purposes
Odegaard for me is an exemplar of how once you get into Arteta’s good graces you become undroppable. He is captain, he shouldn’t even need to be told that his performances the last year have been totally unacceptable, as a professional he should understand that being stripped of the captaincy is no one’s fault but his own.
Definitely grounds to drop him but I think taking the captaincy off him is unnecessary for now at least. We’ll see how he gets on this season, I’ll probably agree with you wholeheartedly if he has another stinker like last year.
Probably a fagQuote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Well I imagine you’re quite the expert on being in the closetQuote:
Originally Posted by The Wengerbabies
Agreed re Odegard. If we are going to regard the captaincy as so important (I don't) then in terms of captaincy (not form) we've done fine with Odegard having the armband, and the choice of captain is not the reason we have fallen short 3 seasons running. Taking it off him now will just puncture his confidence further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
No he’s definitely not the reason we’ve fallen short
But his performances fell well below (way below) what we should be expecting to see from a regular first team starter. It was frankly embarassing watching him at times, poor I can understand….cowardly I can’t nor excuse
Winners wouldn't have a problem with stripping the Captaincy from someone who doesn't deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
The real question is - does Arteta have the balls to be a winner?
Odegaard has actually been quite cowardly at times, not what you want from your Captain.
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Just feel this stance is a little bit harsh right now considering Odegaard has been one of our better players over the past few years. Wasn’t he voted player of the year in the 2 seasons we challenged for the title?Quote:
Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
He had an awful season no doubt about it but I wouldn’t kill him off just yet.
Is it really harsh, even in his best season - 22/23…he would hide away in the big games
You can’t have that from a Captain
Fuck me, the absolute meltdown from Tony Adam’s comments on social media
No one is obliged to agree with him. I can see it both ways…..I think Rice would make a far better captain but equally the role of Captain isn’t as relevant as it was in Adam’s day. I mainly want to see Odegaard stripped of the captaincy because I don’t want to see him playing at all
But
People calling Adams a drunk, a few Nigerian sounding lads saying “he isn’t a club legend”. Sorry guys Arsenal pre-dates 2019 when WiFi first came to your village….he most definitely is a club legend.
They have obviously just Googled Tony Adams and read the dirt on him when they got their wi-fi. Makes me sick, they no nothing about our History.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...s-Arsenal.html
:rolleyes: the targeting has begun, be prepared to concede penalties guys.
The irony is we are far more likely to be impeded by holding at set pieces than be the guilty partyQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
I agree. But we all know they won't award us those penalties and it'll be us at the receiving end as dictated by the press already.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
I know it might seem harsh, but we can't keep molly coddling these players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
He's a great player when he wants to be, but that is separate from is ability as a Captain.
He is not good enough and too cowardly when it matters.
A good Captain knows when to bollock the other players on the pitch and in return they should look to him to step up and give them an extra boost, drive them on when the chips are down.
Odegaard can't and has never done that.
Out of the three images they used only one has an Arsenal player holding on to another.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
In the other two The defenders are holding on to the Arsenal players.
But of course - it's only us that do it :rolleyes:
lol, I just posted - as in the images used in the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
I actually think we can make the argument that a Captain still is an important role in the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
It's just that we fucked about with the role by assigning it to incapable players and (was it Wenger?) telling people it wasn't important.
I do agree that AW is largely to blame for why some of our fans don't think a proper leader on the field is important.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
As far as I'm concerned, the last good captain we had was Vieira and since then its mostly been downhill, which can obviously be seen from our fortunes and how the team has reacted to adversity over and over again
Let's not forget that we once had a captain under him who staged a one man protest while the game was still going on!! 20 years later, I'm not sure anything has come close to that :lol:
https://youtu.be/Rf2bM9zFbGs?si=Uy3xcNv5Ftg1i5-C
I don’t think so. First off it wasn’t that Wenger didn’t make leaders into captains (Koscielny was captain in his last season and he was the nearest thing we had to a leader) it’s just we didn’t have leaders in the team
Plus Messi was Captain of Argentina, couldn’t find less of a leader
Same with Ronaldo (although admittedly that’s harming Portugal now)
Isn't that just more examples of wrong players being given the title rather than the role not being as important though?Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Speaking of Ødegaard I thought he'd have taken the number 10
Brings to mind that quote on the benefit of staying silent to avoid erasing the iota of doubt in people's minds....just saying :rolleyes:
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On the eve of the new campaign, Odegaard was asked about his leadership style and revealed details of what he believes makes him such an effective leader.
He told Sky Sports: ‘It’s a lot to be fair. It’s a lot of small things. It’s hard to describe it, it’s more like a constant role you do.
‘There’s always these small things you have to do. In general it’s just how I see it is to get the best out of the team and how to give the team the right mindset. Help the players around you, get the best mindset in everyone.
‘I think before the game just on the pitch I do a little one (team talk) and inside the dressing room we have different people talking.
‘It’s not just me there’s a lot of people sharing the responsibility and the manager does a lot as well. It’s a shared thing. It’s not just me all the time.’
Adams’ view, meanwhile, clearly holds little water with Arteta who launched a passionate defence of Odegaard ahead of Sunday’s blockbuster against Manchester United at Old Trafford.
Mikel Arteta defends Martin Odegaard
https://metro.co.uk/2025/08/16/marti...-23927470/amp/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/cvg00wx7j42o
Can't remember what thread it was, but I got universally hounded for suggesting the evolution of Artetaball and his billion quid project was that we are increasingly going Route One, glad to know the BBC has picked up on it too.
The sad part is that he can't even claim it as an original idea as apparently it seems Pep has been doing it too :doh: (something I must admit I hadn't noticed).
So once again, Arteta proving he's still attached to the apron strings :lol:
not quite emulating Guardiola, Guardiola has a midfield trio of Rodri, Bernardo and Reinjders. We’ve gone with the toilet strain trio.
I read that Hincapié is out for a while with a groin injury.
What the fuck is wrong with our training regime?
Three of our new signings are crocked already. Has Norgaard actually played for us yet?
:rose:
Yes, I saw him play in a pre-season friendly :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
Saliba has agreed a new long term contract.
Should bag us 100m when Real Madrid come calling.
precisely, and as harsh as it sounds…..i don’t think it will be the end of the world for us if they do come callingQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
2-3 years ago i think he was the best player at the club, now? i don’t think he’s even the best defender at the club
Brilliant business by Berta, and yes, the £100m will come in handy as opposed to losing another player for nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Also, I don't rate him that highly TBH.
I had actually forgotten about the Clichy error that lead to Birmingham's equaliser. With everything that happend that day, that truly ranks with the 1988 league cup final v Luton. Poor Eduardo, I continue to hate Birmingham to this day.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
Lol we don't even know if he's on 500k wages and everyone is singing great business.
TBH, I am happy we've got him for a bit longer, but I do agree he's no longer indespensible with Mosquera playing the way he is.
He was on a pretty high wage already, I really hope the increment doesn't take him to Van Dijk levels.
I haven't heard of him, but :rose:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5jye4v64no
yeah agreed :rose:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
btw "It is thought the injury was caused when he collided with a concrete wall"
wtf? health and safety anyone?
Yeah. It's a non league ground but still, you wouldn't really expect concrete walls to be right next to the pitch.
I see a law suit from his folks coming... not that it would any consolation ofc but just to make the point, could help others - maybe a PFA issue?