Nah, we've been ok at that this season. We just don't have the quality to win lots of games. If you're suggesting we have no resilience AND no talent then we really would be 15th by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flavs
Nah, we've been ok at that this season. We just don't have the quality to win lots of games. If you're suggesting we have no resilience AND no talent then we really would be 15th by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flavs
I didn't say we have no talent, i said it was ridiculous to think that talent is enough to get a top 4 finish and its ridiculous to think that other teams don't have players as talented as ours. We aren't resilient IMO we are a little bunch of pussy whipped beharches who are about as good at holding onto a lead as a amputee dog walkerQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
well since that recognised 'change' in our set up after blackburn/utd these are the first leads we've lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flavs
I see what you're saying. Supposing we finish 5th...on average, we must be 5th best in the league at doing stuff. So if talent-wise we're 6th, we must be better than 6th at something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flavs
IMO when we had that run with Jenkinson, Santos and Vermaelen, Koscielny/Mertesacker and Szczesny, our back 5 was one of the strongest around and scrapping a load of unconvincing wins was the reason behind a good comeback after the horrible start. The last couple of games are very worrying because we've gone back to the same sluggish performances as the start of the season (and last season). Letting Swansea score straight after equalising is the sort of thing I hoped we had improved on because when we were battling to wins at Stamford Bridge and in Marseille, we were showing a lot more fight than we'd been used to. Ups and downs tbh. It's hard to see another good burst of games unless Wilshere and Sagna quickly return and improve us a lot. No pressure.
What proof do we have we don't, we will never know till a knew manager comes in, no real way of knowing. IMO AW is still one of the best managers out there and a clever man, but for some reason he likes to make himself look liek the plank every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Its not about us putting up with Arsene wtf can we do if the board don't sack him were not his bosses are we not much we can do.
He was not fired 3 years ago because he met his targets end of. but finishing 5th is not his target and should be sacked if we do, that said, finishing 4th will see him get some silly praise because he did it with this sqaud and how they all said we not even finish 6th etc.
Their seems to be no one who will stand up to AW in the board and this is the problem he gets aways with far too much and they let him.
We can't use our start as an excuse. Wenger knew that the start of the season was going to be difficult, with Liverpool and Man Utd in the first month of the season, and he failed to plan properly which means we faced those two teams woefully understrength. It was only after the 8-2 did Wenger decide to strengthen, and even then the signings he made were unconvincing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Why should we ignore the start of the season, as if it was beyond our control? We could easily have had a much better start if we had done better business in the transfer window earlier, instead Wenger made a complete horlicks of it as usual, which forced us to play catch-up from the start.
And I agree that our squad is actually not particularly talented. Combine that with a lack of grit, concentration and spirit (especially when Wilshere and Vermaelen are missing) and it's no surprise we're being outplayed by teams like Fulham. It's heartbreaking how we've fallen so far in such a short time.
We've been dropping points against newly promoted teams for years. This isn't anything new. This isn't the best team we've had but I can't see why the coach of Swansea can pick up league one players and get them working as an efficient unit and why someone like Tony Pubis can make Stoke so hard to beat when he's working with players that are very limited. These guys can't attract the sort of players we attract. It's a complete reveres of what's been said on here about City and Chelsea's spending power. It's backwards. We have an advantage over these clubs in regards to spending power and there is nothing stopping Wenger from picking up a Robert Huth, Shawcross, Delap, Dyer or Vorm in the transfer market. The excuses are getting silly on here.
pick out the word excuse in my post. it doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
we could've, should've, would've yada yada. great, thanks for the insight. back in the real world, we are where we are, our targets were set for 4th, whether we like it or not, it's the minimal achievement and we're still on target for it.
and anyway, you would've taken owen coyle as manager, so forgive me if i overlook your assessment skills.
go and bore someone else with your drivel.
Charlie, I can't accept that as a club we're broke, the numbers just don't stack up whichever way you look at it. Looking at this high level, we make millions on transfers every season now & make money on matchday, considerably more than what we use to bring in say 6 or 7 years ago. I accept we have a big expenditure on wages and the like, but what I can't and won't accept is why we net spend like a club in League One.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Is Arsene on some kind of protest in regards to clubs spending? Every single season we asset strip the squad and he either replaces the stars with kids or in some cases doesn't replace them at all.
Sure...nothing you can do about it but I whilst I thank Arsene for all he's done I think it's time for him to move on now. He's lost his way IMHO...doesn't have what it takes to win.
Not really its been builiding up for years this has, end of the day you can't always be on top but we as gooners never thought we'd see a day when we were not in the top 4 or a top club. It was going to happen sooner or later and it has, its just not a pretty sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
There is no point going on about if AW had spent in summer etc thats past its about now and if he rectify's his problems in this window he should be judge on.
If by 31st jan/1st feb which ever day the window closes and he has not strenghend then we will know how ambitious this club is, because they won't have convinced RVP to stay which will mean losing another world class stars and no top names will be in in the summer either.
once we get out the top 4 imo we won't be back in it for a while, thats the scary thing.
We're not on target for it are we, as we're fifth, with Liverpool and Newcastle breathing down our necks and Chelsea (who's squad is bigger and more talented, plus they're making reinforcements this January) 4 points ahead of us. Moreover, it is entirely right to question why our target is set for 4th. In 07-08, we were looking to win the title; same in 09-10. In a few years time, our targets have dropped alarmingly, and it's not simply because of Man City's money either. We could have at least attempted to challenge them for the trophy, even if their resources meant that it would have been difficult. The lack of ambition of the manager and the board is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
And I'm not going to stop posting simply because you find my posts "drivel". This is a messageboard where everyone is allowed their say, whether you disagree with them or not. I've been tempted to report many of your posts where you've abused me and called me a City fan, but I didn't because I believe in freedom of speech.
agree with this 100% and like i have said its time for him to have a new challenge as i feel he needs it and don't thing all this stress is good for him tbh. All im saying no one knows either one way or another if we have money or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
obviously we do other wise we not have spend loads on AA or AOC or even Theo, but i don't think we have loads to go and splash 40 mill on neymar (who id love here).
IMO the board are hoping we drop out the top 4 (more dolla in their pockets) as we will pay less wages as top earners won't come here.
AW IMO has to stand up to the board now because its a case of Go hard or Go Home.
That's what she said to me last night :(
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Originally Posted by Joker
Jesus leave him alone to have his say will you
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Originally Posted by LDG
Careful there, somebody who believes in freedom of speech would never be even tempted to consider censorship or the sanctioning of speech. In fact if you make this mistake again I'm going to report you, and I'm just about the biggest advocate for free speech you could ever find.Quote:
I've been tempted to report many of your posts where you've abused me and called me a City fan, but I didn't because I believe in freedom of speech.
What? That doesn't even make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Sure they're fat, corrupt, outdated vampires but they're not actively retarded.
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More likely they have some fantasy plan whereby the financial fair play rules kick in and everyone is dragged back to our miserly level. That would mean they are delusional though, which is hard to believe. Then again, our performances on the pitch are hard to believe but they still happen.
What's all this "if" stuff anyway? There is no way on gods green earth are we finishing in the top 4
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Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr
I disagree. If anything the problem is he IS the same Wenger. Football has changed and he hasn't. When he arrived at Arsenal he brought in new training methods, new diets, our team was fitter than everyone else and it showed. Wenger's knowledge of the European and to an extent worldwide game was (at the time) unparalleled and he was able to cherry pick fantastic players before most other clubs had even heard of them.
Other clubs have caught up. They've got their squads as fit if not fitter than ours, they have scouts around the world who can identify talent. I don't think Wenger has changed it's just that his methods which were once revolutionary are now routine.
Also when Wenger started you didn't have multi-billionaire owners throwing obscene amounts around, salaries and transfer fees had started to spiral but not like now when it's all gone mental.
The frustrating thing is in some ways Wenger has done well, in an era of billionaires and other clubs throwing silly money around he has kept us relatively competitive despite spending relatively little. But at the same time we've failed to win trophies despite being in positions where we could and probably should have done on several occasions.
I don't know whether his lack of spending is a stubborn attempt to do things the 'right' way or whether the board encourage him not to spend too much or actively forbid him from spending more. Who knows what's going on inside the club but something is going very wrong.
Some people on here seem to think we should be top 2 every year like we once were and us not being so is a failure. I disagree. With City and Chelsea both able to outspend us and Utd too having more resources than us it is far harder to win the title than it's ever been. But Spurs are a club who aren't in the CL, don't have the prestige or finances to offer anything like the wages we can and yet have still assembled a squad which is now looking better than ours. That and the aforementioned to finish the job when in positions to win trophies are damning.
If anyone thinks that we're suddenly going to be serious title contenders every year when Wenger leaves and that any idiot could do better then they're deluding themselves. But it's getting to the point where we have to try something different
We should be top 2 every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Originally Posted by Letters
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Originally Posted by Letters
much as i agree with that if we finish 5th would a new manager do anyworse then wenger.
The club has a Stench around the place and needs the doors to be open do the bad smells in the place can be let out. Listening to parlour on Talk sport yesterday and he said some good things, like he believes we don't have money and wenger is covering for the board.
All i want to know is what is really going on at the club, because MR Wenger is still a top manager and a clever man and its strange to see him act like a plank for the world and his sister to see. I'd like for this guy to leave the club a a hero not some washed out loser he is being made to be.
And suprise suprise Stan K is quite again you'd have though for someone who put so much money in this club he have said or done something to show more ambtion by now.
Letters did you cut and paste this from another site? Seems to objective for you to write.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I don't know about that. It sounds like wishful thinking to me. He could be covering for the Board, but he's a very stubborn guy and you can see it in the way he manages the team. He insists on the same formation and persists with the same players game after game even when it constantly fails him. For a guy to be so stubborn and rigid when it comes to on field play and tactics...it just suggests to me that he's just a stubborn with transfers. Why would he buy he wants to persist with the same players? It's not as if he's exhausted all options here. Certain players could have been benched or tried in a new position ages ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
I actually think he will walk if we don't finish top 4. Now he has seen that some of his pet projects are actually a bit poo and that football has become about who has the richest backers rather than the dream state economics he loves so much i think he has probably had enough.
Add into that the TV issues, modern refereeing and the ever growing greed we see in the game i think he will be best out of it.
We've been pretty patient considering. It's time for the board and the manager to tell the fans what's happening. What the true goals of the club are. Where we expect to be in a year from now, five years from now, and how we are going to get there. I guess these guys don't feel they owe the fans that much. This is where the real problem lies. They probably believe they are running a business whereas we all know they are running a football club which is a very, very different thing whether they like it or not. Who turns up every week at the Orange HQ with orange scarves chanting "Orange, There's only one Orange!"? Only Letters. If they are supporters of the club too, which they claim they are, then they need to get off their horses and have a chat with the other supporters who actually kick cash in rather than take it out. Is it really too much to ask?
Considering we're going to win the PL this year I don't think Wenger should go. Seriously though, If we finished 5th or worse which we wont the simple question is- How could sacking Wenger help and who would replace him that could do better with what we have? I think If we sacked AW it'd be harder to sign players as playing under him is probably a big reason why players sign and RvP would leave. The leaving of Wenger needs to be carefully planned IMO as it would be one of the biggest transitions our clubs ever had, just sacking him on the spot would be reckless. Oh, and he's the most successful manager we've ever had so its a dumb idea in the first place.
Wenger needs to go at the end of the season.
By 'end of the season' I mean 'now'
And by 'go' I mean 'die'
Regardless of excuses, what baffles me that others dont seem to want to see is that Swansea out played us Sunday. Their team has been put together with a fraction of the cost of ours both in transfer fee's and probably wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Are we to dissmiss that?
A lot of people in the media still tell us Wenger is "the man" yet laugh at our poor results.
I say its time to man up, ditch the excuses and look at the results. Its not Arsenal standard
Sling him and get either Lambert or Moyes in. Give em a shot at a big club
We don't have the quality on the pitch any more. That's our biggest problem. Some of it brought about by injuries, the rest brought about by lack of investment. While our (ex) rivals have been spending we've been focused on generating profits. Somebody should tell us what the plan is.
No. And I've no idea what you mean. I have my opinions as do we all but I don't think I'm as extreme in my opinions as some and I don't have my little favourites and players I dislike and refuse to see any bad or good in them respectively no matter what they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
I call it like I see it as I always have.
Capello will be free next summer.
Brilliant club manager.
Has won the league with every club hes managed and better than Wenger in every way
And in disgrace after our woeful showing in the Euros. Sign him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...d-heart-set-onQuote:
PSG manager and former Chelsea boss Carlo Ancelotti admits he was waiting for a job at Tottenham or Arsenal before the Ligue 1 side came calling.
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The Italian joined the French club in December after being sacked by Blues’ owner Roman Abramovich at the end of last season.
However, the 52-year-old concedes he had hoped to replace either Harry Redknapp or Arsene Wenger in north London.
He told Gazzetta dello Sport: "I was keen on a year-long sabbatical, hoping that in the summer a job like Tottenham or Arsenal - a top London bench - would become available, but I was tired of not working.
"Al Thani [PSG chairman] is similar to Abramovich in one thing: he doesn't like it when people talk about him, rather than the team. [AC Milan owner Silvio] Berlusconi was a different thing from them both."
The former AC Milan manager also admitted that he found Abramovich “very cold” and insists football in Ligue 1 allows for much more versatile tactics than the Premier League.
"When Abramovich fired me, he was very cold. He said me good luck and stopped,” he added.
"He knew that I wasn't in agreement with that decision and he preferred to avoid talking about it in detail.
"Ligue 1 is tactically more various than Premier League. In England it isn't difficult, every team plays in pretty much the same way."
Missed opportunity there
Exactly. He'll want to try his hardest to prove he can be a success in this country and not settle for the 4th place trophy every seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn