If we don't finish 4th, do you want Wenger to leave at the end of the season?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

What? That doesn't even make sense.

Sure they're fat, corrupt, outdated vampires but they're not actively retarded.

Fair plays

[Letters]

i have supported Wenger through thick and thin....even got into a punch up with a Manc back in 2007 over my opinion that he was the best coach in the world.

However what is now clear as day is this guy is not the same Wenger who created and moulded the great Arsenal sides upto the Invincibles.

I disagree. If anything the problem is he IS the same Wenger. Football has changed and he hasn't. When he arrived at Arsenal he brought in new training methods, new diets, our team was fitter than everyone else and it showed. Wenger's knowledge of the European and to an extent worldwide game was (at the time) unparalleled and he was able to cherry pick fantastic players before most other clubs had even heard of them.

Other clubs have caught up. They've got their squads as fit if not fitter than ours, they have scouts around the world who can identify talent. I don't think Wenger has changed it's just that his methods which were once revolutionary are now routine.

Also when Wenger started you didn't have multi-billionaire owners throwing obscene amounts around, salaries and transfer fees had started to spiral but not like now when it's all gone mental.

The frustrating thing is in some ways Wenger has done well, in an era of billionaires and other clubs throwing silly money around he has kept us relatively competitive despite spending relatively little. But at the same time we've failed to win trophies despite being in positions where we could and probably should have done on several occasions.

I don't know whether his lack of spending is a stubborn attempt to do things the 'right' way or whether the board encourage him not to spend too much or actively forbid him from spending more. Who knows what's going on inside the club but something is going very wrong.

Some people on here seem to think we should be top 2 every year like we once were and us not being so is a failure. I disagree. With City and Chelsea both able to outspend us and Utd too having more resources than us it is far harder to win the title than it's ever been. But Spurs are a club who aren't in the CL, don't have the prestige or finances to offer anything like the wages we can and yet have still assembled a squad which is now looking better than ours. That and the aforementioned to finish the job when in positions to win trophies are damning.

If anyone thinks that we're suddenly going to be serious title contenders every year when Wenger leaves and that any idiot could do better then they're deluding themselves. But it's getting to the point where we have to try something different

[Niall_Quinn]

I disagree. If anything the problem is he IS the same Wenger. Football has changed and he hasn't. When he arrived at Arsenal he brought in new training methods, new diets, our team was fitter than everyone else and it showed. Wenger's knowledge of the European and to an extent worldwide game was (at the time) unparalleled and he was able to cherry pick fantastic players before most other clubs had even heard of them.

Other clubs have caught up. They've got their squads as fit if not fitter than ours, they have scouts around the world who can identify talent. I don't think Wenger has changed it's just that his methods which were once revolutionary are now routine.

Also when Wenger started you didn't have multi-billionaire owners throwing obscene amounts around, salaries and transfer fees had started to spiral but not like now when it's all gone mental.

The frustrating thing is in some ways Wenger has done well, in an era of billionaires and other clubs throwing silly money around he has kept us relatively competitive despite spending relatively little. But at the same time we've failed to win trophies despite being in positions where we could and probably should have done on several occasions.

I don't know whether his lack of spending is a stubborn attempt to do things the 'right' way or whether the board encourage him not to spend too much or actively forbid him from spending more. Who knows what's going on inside the club but something is going very wrong.

Some people on here seem to think we should be top 2 every year like we once were and us not being so is a failure. I disagree. With City and Chelsea both able to outspend us and Utd too having more resources than us it is far harder to win the title than it's ever been. But Spurs are a club who aren't in the CL, don't have the prestige or finances to offer anything like the wages we can and yet have still assembled a squad which is now looking better than ours. That and the aforementioned to finish the job when in positions to win trophies are damning.

If anyone thinks that we're suddenly going to be serious title contenders every year when Wenger leaves and that any idiot could do better then they're deluding themselves. But it's getting to the point where we have to try something different

We should be top 2 every year.

[Coney]

We should be top 2 every year.

No. Top 1.

[Flavs]

I disagree. If anything the problem is he IS the same Wenger. Football has changed and he hasn't. When he arrived at Arsenal he brought in new training methods, new diets, our team was fitter than everyone else and it showed. Wenger's knowledge of the European and to an extent worldwide game was (at the time) unparalleled and he was able to cherry pick fantastic players before most other clubs had even heard of them.

Other clubs have caught up. They've got their squads as fit if not fitter than ours, they have scouts around the world who can identify talent. I don't think Wenger has changed it's just that his methods which were once revolutionary are now routine.

Also when Wenger started you didn't have multi-billionaire owners throwing obscene amounts around, salaries and transfer fees had started to spiral but not like now when it's all gone mental.

The frustrating thing is in some ways Wenger has done well, in an era of billionaires and other clubs throwing silly money around he has kept us relatively competitive despite spending relatively little. But at the same time we've failed to win trophies despite being in positions where we could and probably should have done on several occasions.

I don't know whether his lack of spending is a stubborn attempt to do things the 'right' way or whether the board encourage him not to spend too much or actively forbid him from spending more. Who knows what's going on inside the club but something is going very wrong.

Some people on here seem to think we should be top 2 every year like we once were and us not being so is a failure. I disagree. With City and Chelsea both able to outspend us and Utd too having more resources than us it is far harder to win the title than it's ever been. But Spurs are a club who aren't in the CL, don't have the prestige or finances to offer anything like the wages we can and yet have still assembled a squad which is now looking better than ours. That and the aforementioned to finish the job when in positions to win trophies are damning.

If anyone thinks that we're suddenly going to be serious title contenders every year when Wenger leaves and that any idiot could do better then they're deluding themselves. But it's getting to the point where we have to try something different

:goodpost:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If anyone thinks that we're suddenly going to be serious title contenders every year when Wenger leaves and that any idiot could do better then they're deluding themselves. But it's getting to the point where we have to try something different

much as i agree with that if we finish 5th would a new manager do anyworse then wenger.

The club has a Stench around the place and needs the doors to be open do the bad smells in the place can be let out. Listening to parlour on Talk sport yesterday and he said some good things, like he believes we don't have money and wenger is covering for the board.

All i want to know is what is really going on at the club, because MR Wenger is still a top manager and a clever man and its strange to see him act like a plank for the world and his sister to see. I'd like for this guy to leave the club a a hero not some washed out loser he is being made to be.

And suprise suprise Stan K is quite again you'd have though for someone who put so much money in this club he have said or done something to show more ambtion by now.

[Fats]

I disagree. If anything the problem is he IS the same Wenger. Football has changed and he hasn't. When he arrived at Arsenal he brought in new training methods, new diets, our team was fitter than everyone else and it showed. Wenger's knowledge of the European and to an extent worldwide game was (at the time) unparalleled and he was able to cherry pick fantastic players before most other clubs had even heard of them.

Other clubs have caught up. They've got their squads as fit if not fitter than ours, they have scouts around the world who can identify talent. I don't think Wenger has changed it's just that his methods which were once revolutionary are now routine.

Also when Wenger started you didn't have multi-billionaire owners throwing obscene amounts around, salaries and transfer fees had started to spiral but not like now when it's all gone mental.

The frustrating thing is in some ways Wenger has done well, in an era of billionaires and other clubs throwing silly money around he has kept us relatively competitive despite spending relatively little. But at the same time we've failed to win trophies despite being in positions where we could and probably should have done on several occasions.

I don't know whether his lack of spending is a stubborn attempt to do things the 'right' way or whether the board encourage him not to spend too much or actively forbid him from spending more. Who knows what's going on inside the club but something is going very wrong.

Some people on here seem to think we should be top 2 every year like we once were and us not being so is a failure. I disagree. With City and Chelsea both able to outspend us and Utd too having more resources than us it is far harder to win the title than it's ever been. But Spurs are a club who aren't in the CL, don't have the prestige or finances to offer anything like the wages we can and yet have still assembled a squad which is now looking better than ours. That and the aforementioned to finish the job when in positions to win trophies are damning.

If anyone thinks that we're suddenly going to be serious title contenders every year when Wenger leaves and that any idiot could do better then they're deluding themselves. But it's getting to the point where we have to try something different

Letters did you cut and paste this from another site? Seems to objective for you to write.

[Power n Glory]

much as i agree with that if we finish 5th would a new manager do anyworse then wenger.

The club has a Stench around the place and needs the doors to be open do the bad smells in the place can be let out. Listening to parlour on Talk sport yesterday and he said some good things, like he believes we don't have money and wenger is covering for the board.

All i want to know is what is really going on at the club, because MR Wenger is still a top manager and a clever man and its strange to see him act like a plank for the world and his sister to see. I'd like for this guy to leave the club a a hero not some washed out loser he is being made to be.

And suprise suprise Stan K is quite again you'd have though for someone who put so much money in this club he have said or done something to show more ambtion by now.

I don't know about that. It sounds like wishful thinking to me. He could be covering for the Board, but he's a very stubborn guy and you can see it in the way he manages the team. He insists on the same formation and persists with the same players game after game even when it constantly fails him. For a guy to be so stubborn and rigid when it comes to on field play and tactics...it just suggests to me that he's just a stubborn with transfers. Why would he buy he wants to persist with the same players? It's not as if he's exhausted all options here. Certain players could have been benched or tried in a new position ages ago.

[Flavs]

I actually think he will walk if we don't finish top 4. Now he has seen that some of his pet projects are actually a bit poo and that football has become about who has the richest backers rather than the dream state economics he loves so much i think he has probably had enough.

Add into that the TV issues, modern refereeing and the ever growing greed we see in the game i think he will be best out of it.

[Niall_Quinn]

We've been pretty patient considering. It's time for the board and the manager to tell the fans what's happening. What the true goals of the club are. Where we expect to be in a year from now, five years from now, and how we are going to get there. I guess these guys don't feel they owe the fans that much. This is where the real problem lies. They probably believe they are running a business whereas we all know they are running a football club which is a very, very different thing whether they like it or not. Who turns up every week at the Orange HQ with orange scarves chanting "Orange, There's only one Orange!"? Only Letters. If they are supporters of the club too, which they claim they are, then they need to get off their horses and have a chat with the other supporters who actually kick cash in rather than take it out. Is it really too much to ask?