Nah, we've been ok at that this season. We just don't have the quality to win lots of games. If you're suggesting we have no resilience AND no talent then we really would be 15th by now.Originally Posted by Flavs
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Nah, we've been ok at that this season. We just don't have the quality to win lots of games. If you're suggesting we have no resilience AND no talent then we really would be 15th by now.
I didn't say we have no talent, i said it was ridiculous to think that talent is enough to get a top 4 finish and its ridiculous to think that other teams don't have players as talented as ours. We aren't resilient IMO we are a little bunch of pussy whipped beharches who are about as good at holding onto a lead as a amputee dog walker
well since that recognised 'change' in our set up after blackburn/utd these are the first leads we've lost.
I see what you're saying. Supposing we finish 5th...on average, we must be 5th best in the league at doing stuff. So if talent-wise we're 6th, we must be better than 6th at something else.
IMO when we had that run with Jenkinson, Santos and Vermaelen, Koscielny/Mertesacker and Szczesny, our back 5 was one of the strongest around and scrapping a load of unconvincing wins was the reason behind a good comeback after the horrible start. The last couple of games are very worrying because we've gone back to the same sluggish performances as the start of the season (and last season). Letting Swansea score straight after equalising is the sort of thing I hoped we had improved on because when we were battling to wins at Stamford Bridge and in Marseille, we were showing a lot more fight than we'd been used to. Ups and downs tbh. It's hard to see another good burst of games unless Wilshere and Sagna quickly return and improve us a lot. No pressure.
What proof do we have we don't, we will never know till a knew manager comes in, no real way of knowing. IMO AW is still one of the best managers out there and a clever man, but for some reason he likes to make himself look liek the plank every week.
Its not about us putting up with Arsene wtf can we do if the board don't sack him were not his bosses are we not much we can do.
He was not fired 3 years ago because he met his targets end of. but finishing 5th is not his target and should be sacked if we do, that said, finishing 4th will see him get some silly praise because he did it with this sqaud and how they all said we not even finish 6th etc.
Their seems to be no one who will stand up to AW in the board and this is the problem he gets aways with far too much and they let him.
We can't use our start as an excuse. Wenger knew that the start of the season was going to be difficult, with Liverpool and Man Utd in the first month of the season, and he failed to plan properly which means we faced those two teams woefully understrength. It was only after the 8-2 did Wenger decide to strengthen, and even then the signings he made were unconvincing.
Why should we ignore the start of the season, as if it was beyond our control? We could easily have had a much better start if we had done better business in the transfer window earlier, instead Wenger made a complete horlicks of it as usual, which forced us to play catch-up from the start.
And I agree that our squad is actually not particularly talented. Combine that with a lack of grit, concentration and spirit (especially when Wilshere and Vermaelen are missing) and it's no surprise we're being outplayed by teams like Fulham. It's heartbreaking how we've fallen so far in such a short time.
Last edited by Joker; 16-01-2012 at 01:34 PM.
We've been dropping points against newly promoted teams for years. This isn't anything new. This isn't the best team we've had but I can't see why the coach of Swansea can pick up league one players and get them working as an efficient unit and why someone like Tony Pubis can make Stoke so hard to beat when he's working with players that are very limited. These guys can't attract the sort of players we attract. It's a complete reveres of what's been said on here about City and Chelsea's spending power. It's backwards. We have an advantage over these clubs in regards to spending power and there is nothing stopping Wenger from picking up a Robert Huth, Shawcross, Delap, Dyer or Vorm in the transfer market. The excuses are getting silly on here.
pick out the word excuse in my post. it doesn't exist.
we could've, should've, would've yada yada. great, thanks for the insight. back in the real world, we are where we are, our targets were set for 4th, whether we like it or not, it's the minimal achievement and we're still on target for it.
and anyway, you would've taken owen coyle as manager, so forgive me if i overlook your assessment skills.
go and bore someone else with your drivel.
Last edited by Kano; 16-01-2012 at 01:38 PM.
Charlie, I can't accept that as a club we're broke, the numbers just don't stack up whichever way you look at it. Looking at this high level, we make millions on transfers every season now & make money on matchday, considerably more than what we use to bring in say 6 or 7 years ago. I accept we have a big expenditure on wages and the like, but what I can't and won't accept is why we net spend like a club in League One.
Is Arsene on some kind of protest in regards to clubs spending? Every single season we asset strip the squad and he either replaces the stars with kids or in some cases doesn't replace them at all.
Sure...nothing you can do about it but I whilst I thank Arsene for all he's done I think it's time for him to move on now. He's lost his way IMHO...doesn't have what it takes to win.
Not really its been builiding up for years this has, end of the day you can't always be on top but we as gooners never thought we'd see a day when we were not in the top 4 or a top club. It was going to happen sooner or later and it has, its just not a pretty sight.
There is no point going on about if AW had spent in summer etc thats past its about now and if he rectify's his problems in this window he should be judge on.
If by 31st jan/1st feb which ever day the window closes and he has not strenghend then we will know how ambitious this club is, because they won't have convinced RVP to stay which will mean losing another world class stars and no top names will be in in the summer either.
once we get out the top 4 imo we won't be back in it for a while, thats the scary thing.
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