Ozil - Do we need him?

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Originally Posted by Letters

We need a strong captain IMO. Our greatest success came when we had proper captains.
Wenger isn't a motivator, never has been. Who is out there getting them going when things are going wrong?

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We need a new manager. We can’t get into this captain debate again.

We do need a new manager, but I think with a strong captain we'd be challenging.

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Originally Posted by LDG

True, but isn't there one constant in all of the teams that have failed to perform over the last ten years?

Same defensive liabilities.

Same inability to turn up when required.

Same same same same...

Bored of reciting it now.

Not every player is Alexis mind. Some players need guidance tactically, some need confidence...and in order to get the best out of them, they need complimentary players.

But we know all of this. Yeah, I get angry at shirkers, but I'm more fed up we have come to expect it.

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It's the manager for sure. But we've got some players that shouldn't need much talking to.

If NQ honestly believes Ozil is slacking off in training and taken a sickie to get his Christmas break, then you have to question the player. Bergkamp and Henry wouldn't pull such a stunt in the middle of title race. It's not on.

"If" though. Who knows? What's the point in hammering a player for something you're just speculating about?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It's the manager for sure. But we've got some players that shouldn't need much talking to.

If NQ honestly believes Ozil is slacking off in training and taken a sickie to get his Christmas break, then you have to question the player. Bergkamp and Henry wouldn't pull such a stunt in the middle of title race. It's not on.

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I said I don't believe he's been in bed for 2 weeks. I don't necessarily think he's slacking off. This could be a sneaky Winter break engineered by Wenger himself. This could be a little sulk maybe as a result of the contract negotiations. It could be anything. Except the flu.

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Originally Posted by Letters

"If" though. Who knows? What's the point in hammering a player for something you're just speculating about?

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You've misread. That doesn't apply to you. I said if NQ honestly believes he's slacked off. I'm not speculating.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

The Arabs?

Who do you mean other than our stadium/shirt sponsor

It's not like you can say we were owned by Nips when we had JVC as our sponsor.

And neither the camel jockeys, the japs or the yanks are telling our players to not try.

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I mean it was a landmark moment where we officially crossed from being a football club to being a for profit corporation and started operating as such. Sustainability, property deals, whoring out the team across the globe and then moaning about players being tired. The club became geared to money when we rented it out to the arabs and the football became secondary - not irrelevant, but secondary. Sponsors don't pour their money in because they are charitable. They want the name of the club and the time of the staff and players. It's all a bit seedy really, but the champagne and decked out jets disguise it.

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

We hear a lot about managers losing the dressing room and not having the players' respect but its obviously not the case with Wenger. The biggest players at the club obviously still see him as a key figure and its a dilema for the board. You either keep the over the hill manager AND your best players or risk losing all and starting from scratch. Im all for change and a fresh start under a new manager but if we were to lose Wenger and Sanchez/Ozil and potentlially others then it would take usa few years to start challenging again (see Man u last 4 years).

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What a ridiculously farcical post. What have we been challenging for? Last time we challenged for the title was some 12 going on 13 seasons ago.

Furthermore, Mancs were winning titles; we haven't, so quite disingenuous drawing such a contrast.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Interestingly, the article I saw this morning sounded like he wants to make sure Wenger is staying before committing to his future with us which shows that all the stuff about top players not wanting to play for him is nonsense.

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Ozil has found paradise here. He knows he won't be molly cuddled at any top club the way he is here. Ffs he was offloaded by one not too long ago. He gets to pull his houdini acts against top opposition without being castigated by the manager. However he'll turn up against the dross where he looks sublime. He epitomises modern Arsenal under Wenger. A poster boy for a flat track bully club really.

It has precious little to do with top players wanting to play for the old fraud and you know it.

We hear a lot about managers losing the dressing room and not having the players' respect but its obviously not the case with Wenger. The biggest players at the club obviously still see him as a key figure and its a dilema for the board. You either keep the over the hill manager AND your best players or risk losing all and starting from scratch. Im all for change and a fresh start under a new manager but if we were to lose Wenger and Sanchez/Ozil and potentlially others then it would take usa few years to start challenging again (see Man u last 4 years).

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Originally Posted by Özil's Panoramic View

What a ridiculously farcical post. What have we been challenging for? Last time we challenged for the title was some 12 going on 13 seasons ago.

Furthermore, Mancs were winning titles; we haven't, so quite disingenuous drawing such a contrast.

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Since Fergie left, United have won one Fa cup, we have won two FA cups. We have qualified for the CL two times more than them, then been knocked out in the first round of knock-out stages , they got to the qf once. There's hardly much difference in achievements really.