Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Seconded.

Zim has a certain way of presenting his opinions, as do I, as do all of us, but you can scan back and you'll see he doesn't initiate attacks on other posters and his targets are relevant. Wenger. The board. The players and sometimes those absolute fuckhead Wengerites who, yes, are entitled to their own opinions but they don't get a pass for being fucking stupid. Zim takes the piss out of Wenger, Letters takes the piss out of Zim. There is a HUGE difference in that. In fact Zim often tries to diffuse conflict by posting a reasonable and non-inflammatory response even when under the most vigorous abuse. Whereas Letter's style is far more likely to be a rush and flee, one line backstabs when he thinks it will attract attention. Zim concerns himself with Arsenal and its many woes, whereas Letters seems to use the place as a venue for amusement and trolling. Just my opinion. But also correct.

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Pretty much. Letters complains about GW but chooses the same battle each and every time.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and we're all guilty of it to varying degrees. But blind devotion is not a wonderful thing and way, way too many of us were guilty of that for way way too long. Wenger and the club surfed it all the way to where we are now. A 10 year, slo motion train wreck with more and more passengers losing their blissful and snooty smiles and replacing them with masks of pure horror as the reality started dawning.

Some people are now saying the criticism of Wenger is being exaggerated. I'd love to know how? Worst manager in the world? The challenge still stands. Name a single manager who is worse, as things stand today and not based on events of 20 years ago, sticks of broccoli or Thierry Henry. Who, in world football, is fucking up more than Wenger? Name somebody. Who is playing their players out of position? Who is leaving their new signings on the bench for big games? Who is grubbing around for profits in the transfer window? Who is ruining young players to such a comprehensive degree? Who lies as much? The list could go on and on and on. He fucks up EVERYTHING. Again, no exaggeration.

And it was obvious it was coming. But of course, as fans, we'll be the blindest and most trusting of all. That's probably why some are still clinging to Wenger. They can't admit what the rest of us have had to admit, just how blind and gullible we've been.

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Absolutely spot on, when all is taken into consideration Wenger is pretty awful, you have to look at the whole picture, no other manager is doing such a diservice to the fans who effectively have allowed him to be what he is today, all the bits you pointed out are spot on, it would be hard to find a manager who does all of the above.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

I remember saying Wenger wasn't a great tactician 10 years ago or more and the GW mods rounding on me as if I had said something outrageous. Easy to say it's obvious now but people weren't saying it on this platform. Zim wasn't the lone voice but that doesn't matter. He's the one being singled out today and most days.

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Exactly right and incidentally I'm not here to say I told you so and have never said as much, all I've said is Wenger should have gone years ago and I stand by that. It's taken more time for others to come round to the fact Wenger isn't up to it and that's fine, but some still somewhat defend him even if they don't admit to it, there is no defence of him however, he's created this mess.

Thanks for the support guys!

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Originally Posted by Letters

And yet, last time he signed a new contract you were supportive :lol:
And now you're lying about your opinions and mine. Low energy. Sad.

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Firstly people are allowed to changed their minds, secondly I don't recall NQ being particularly supportive of Wenger for many years, he's been one of his staunchest critics if anything.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I think I have been too patient with Wenger. But that doesn't mean that we can now back-date our views and be all revisionist about what Wenger did for us back in the day.
As I said at more length elsewhere, Wenger's time with us broadly fails into 3 phases

1) Revolutionary who completely changed the culture of the club and raised us to a level I never thought I'd see Arsenal play at
2) Steadying of the ship where finances were hampering us somewhat during the stadium move and the billionaires had their biggest impact
3) Recent years where the money has been available to compete but the game has somewhat overtaken Wenger while he has stayed still and is increasingly looking like he can't compete at the very top level.

Like any manager he has strengths and weaknesses, those strengths in the early days revolutionised the club and formed the basis for the global club we now are - and have to be if we want to compete, and please don't anyone pull Leicester out their arse, it was amazing what they did but it was clearly a one off as last season showed. If you think 5th and the FA Cup was a car crash of a season then you have Wenger to thank for that, before he joined that would have been a very acceptable season. We expect better things now, we have the resources to expect that and that is largely down to Wenger. But his weaknesses were always evident, looking back. It's hard to see that when you're winning trophies left, right and centre and the quality of football in Europe but the failures in the CL, the failure to retain the title. Those are because of the failings which have always been there. And his strengths no longer help him in a game where now every club knows the worldwide game, every club has top training methods, every club has a good manager rather than a GHEL. Wenger can no longer compete in the modern game but that doesn't erase what he did in the past.

The "ancient history" was to demonstrate that Zim is a whiner and has always been a whiner. If you look at that thread pretty much everyone was telling him to STFU. He will always exaggerate, always go to the extreme. Now he's smugly saying "told you so" :lol:. If you take the same position on a subject, especially one like this where fortunes tend to fluctuate then you will always be able to declare yourself "right" at some point. People can lie about my opinions if they like but I'm not going to defend what Wenger is doing now and haven't done. But I will argue against stupid comments about him being our "worst manager ever" and "13 years of failure" or start questioning whether he was ever any good in the first place. Those are stupid comments and deserve ridicule.

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I'm not revising history, just questioning how a man who was supposedly so great can be so awful in the modern day and it's a fair question. He inability to repeat anything like what he did before whilst also completely changing all the successful things about his winning teams is odd to say the least, in 12-13 years since he's not managed to repeat or come close to doing that once and hasn't even really tried in my eyes, he's been so blinkered by this new mini Barca methodology and building the worlds best youth team he's refused to accept it just doesn't work.

People harp on about what he did, but what about what's he's done in the last decade, which is anything has moulded are club far more, moulded it into something a lot of fans very much dislike. He had 7 years of great success yes, but IMO 2/3 of his career at Arsenal can be viewed as a failure because of where we are now, in an almighty mess.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

You guys can't talk about 'nuance' and 'over simplification' in Zim's posts if you're only reacting to one or two click bait lines from a post and ignoring context.

Gilberto was a good player with Vieria in a 4-4-2. That combination worked. With Cesc in a 4-4-2, he was terrible. The system was terrible. Can anyone deny that? It took a while for Wenger to figure out that he can't play those two players together in a 4-4-2. We were getting bullied and overrun. Gilberto wasn't a bulldozing all action DM and Cesc was a lightweight on defence that needed protecting.

In today's squad, it would be like trying to play Ozil and Xhaka in a 4-4-2. Even when changing to a 4-5-1 and the Gilberto/Cesc combo starts working better, he'd start to make odd choices, like playing Cesc on the wing, Eboue on the wing, Senderos as right back, Diaby on the wing....bench Gilberto all together and move Cesc to playing as a number 10 and put players behind Cesc that don't have the skill to recycle the ball effectively....hence, the birth of Tip Tap football.

All hallmarks to the sort of problems we see today. Back then, we used to blame the players and the Board because we thought Wenger was being forced to make odd decisions because of money restrictions. So early criticism of Wenger would often get waved away. It was true to extent because we couldn't spend what our rivals spent. But there were obvious flaws in Wenger's tactical thinking back then and it's clear now that the problem is the way he thinks and sees the game. I can't fault Zim for spotting that early. A lot of his earlier gripes were about team selection and the sort of performances we're getting from certain players and our transfer policy.

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This is a great post btw, I'm glad someone remembers how it actually was, for me it was the contrast from successful coach and the total transformation that followed, the way he seemed to make illogical decisions and insisted on the wrong player combinations and putting square pegs into round holes.

It just didn't sit right with me, 2 years before that the football was exhilerating and everything about the club was exciting, such a dramatic change in formula was one of the oddest things I've seen in football, to never return to your winning formula despite years of failure with your new methods is even odder, you'd have thought he might have tried, ironically he's seemingly purposefully resisted trying that formula, refusing to buy leaders or to buy tough, physical players and defenders who can primarily defend.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Because he welches on it, and deliberately exaggerates things. Things are bad enough without someone picking away at the carcus. It's as annoying as the devoted followers of Wenger who make shit up to fit their narrative.

I don't particularly want or need to have an inquest into what fans thought 5-10 years ago, what exactly does it achieve. You know what your opinion was, I know what my opinion was. And yet Zim seems to have a time machine he hasn't told anyone about where he thinks he can go back and correct the mistakes of the past in the sense of people's rose tinted spectacles when it comes to Wenger, first of all its crying for the moon as I remember people ripping him to shreds in a post season q and a back in 2009 over signing Mikael Silvestre. There's always been been those who have critiqued the Wenger approach, obviously it was going to take time for more and more people to be convinced.
Second of all even if every fan was against Wenger years ago would it have made the difference we think it might?

Don't get me wrong I'm not sure where Letters is coming from about a lack of nuance, we aren't in a situation that requires nuance. It's blatant to anyone that if you don't think he should be manager anymore you have some bizarre agenda.

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You seem to think I'm constantly stating "I told you so" whereas that's not the case, I've never ever said to anyone I told you 10 years ago he should have gone, the most I've done is said Wenger should have gone years ago, something which other people also point out many years back, perhaps as far back as 2011, that's not a dig at other posters thinking he should have stayed on longer, more that I feel we would be in a better place now had he gone then.

I just think Wenger has had too much leeway for a manager at a top club, too many free passes despite many odd decisions and never addressing issues with the team, we did have some great times, but those can't gloss over the present and what is happening, you might buy yourself a few years of grace, but not a decade or anywhere near it, at some stage you have to deliver on your promises.

I can still remember him during the failed youth project not signing enough players saying that the players will have 1 more years experience and that they are now ready to kick on and win stuff, that was probably about 7 years ago and yet when he failed to do it, it's not talked about at all (by the press), he just walks away from that without any questions asked, it's swept under the carpet.

He's decided to follow a certain route and failed, that's fine but at least learn from that and acknowledge your failures, don't pretend they never happened and hail them as a success.

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Originally Posted by Özim

I'm not revising history, just questioning how a man who was supposedly so great can be so awful in the modern day and it's a fair question.

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It is a fair question and I've already given my take on that. Quite simply, he has got older, he hasn't been able or willing to adapt as the game has changed around him.
But that doesn't mean that he wasn't, in the early days, a revolutionary who transformed the club.

It's like watching the original 1933 King Kong film now and saying "The effects are crap!". Well, sure, they look pretty crappy NOW, because things have moved on and we are used to better. But at the time they were thought amazing. If a director kept making films using those techniques then they would look increasingly bad compared with films made using modern techniques. And that's where Wenger has failed, his once revolutionary ideas about fitness, diet and training are no longer revolutionary. His once revolutionary knowledge of the worldwide game which meant he could cherry pick talent before other clubs even knew about players is no longer revolutionary. The other clubs have caught up and arguably surpassed us in these areas.

I think it's too simplistic to say that it's been 7 years of success and 13 of failure. In the middle phase of the 3 I outlined above I think he did pretty well when money was fairly tight and the billionaires were running amok to keep us relatively competitive. He failed to land another title, maybe without the Eduardo leg break he would have, we will never know. But I don't regard those years as an abject failure. I think he deserved a chance when the money became available to use it to try and compete again. The signings of Ozil, Cech and Sanchez did seem to indicate a change of direction, the FA Cup was a welcome relief after so many trophyless years. But he has failed to push us on and it's increasingly clear he can't.

Wenger is a man making stop motion films in a world of CGI. But back in the day his stop-motion films were brilliant, he was brilliant. He had flaws, sure, every manager does. And I don't believe you or anyone else was particularly prescient about those, his failure as a tactician is not new news. But comments about him being the worst manager Arsenal have had are pretty silly.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=28nXNHyPUgA

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Originally Posted by Letters

It is a fair question and I've already given my take on that. Quite simply, he has got older, he hasn't been able or willing to adapt as the game has changed around him.
But that doesn't mean that he wasn't, in the early days, a revolutionary who transformed the club.

It's like watching the original 1933 King Kong film now and saying "The effects are crap!". Well, sure, they look pretty crappy NOW, because things have moved on and we are used to better. But at the time they were thought amazing. If a director kept making films using those techniques then they would look increasingly bad compared with films made using modern techniques. And that's where Wenger has failed, his once revolutionary ideas about fitness, diet and training are no longer revolutionary. His once revolutionary knowledge of the worldwide game which meant he could cherry pick talent before other clubs even knew about players is no longer revolutionary. The other clubs have caught up and arguably surpassed us in these areas.

I think it's too simplistic to say that it's been 7 years of success and 13 of failure. In the middle phase of the 3 I outlined above I think he did pretty well when money was fairly tight and the billionaires were running amok to keep us relatively competitive. He failed to land another title, maybe without the Eduardo leg break he would have, we will never know. But I don't regard those years as an abject failure. I think he deserved a chance when the money became available to use it to try and compete again. The signings of Ozil, Cech and Sanchez did seem to indicate a change of direction, the FA Cup was a welcome relief after so many trophyless years. But he has failed to push us on and it's increasingly clear he can't.

Wenger is a man making stop motion films in a world of CGI. But back in the day his stop-motion films were brilliant, he was brilliant. He had flaws, sure, every manager does. And I don't believe you or anyone else was particularly prescient about those, his failure as a tactician is not new news. But comments about him being the worst manager Arsenal have had are pretty silly.

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Good God. The endless excuses. Why is it you even feel you need to make these excuses for the man? What sort of argument is it to say, yes it is awful now, but remember when it wasn't! What's that supposed to do? What does it give us? Should we keep on taking it up the arse because a decade ago he used to buy us flowers?

Do we have to make these excuses for Bergkamp? Henry?

So fucking what if Wenger ruled the roost in a bygone era? What relevance does that have to what's happening now? It's just the same tired old excuse, he used to be able to do it so he should be forgiven for not being able to do it now. Bollocks.

He's a sellout. That's the real difference and the real change. All the things he did. Well congratulations and they'll never be forgotten. But the sellout is fresher on the memory and just as significant.

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Originally Posted by selassie

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=28nXNHyPUgA

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G...... ollum.

I think what Letters is trying to say is that there are people on here that are so pissed off with him now that they need to empty their bladder on his past achievements. Make it seem like they were either fortuitous or not particularly that impressive.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

So fucking what if Wenger ruled the roost in a bygone era? What relevance does that have to what's happening now?

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It doesn't, really. But if people start spouting nonsense about how he's the worst manager we've ever had or start questioning whether he was ever any good then I will challenge that. And, for balance, I'd challenge anyone who said that Wenger should currently stay our manager [I'll leave a gap here where you can call me a liar if you like].
This is a board for debating stuff, isn't it? If I see something I disagree with then I have every right to challenge it. Otherwise what is the point of this place?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It's just the same tired old excuse, he used to be able to do it so he should be forgiven for not being able to do it now. Bollocks.

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Which is not what I'm arguing, by the way.
I'm simply arguing that he used to be able to do it, others seem to be questioning that even.
And yes, "so what"? What matters is can he do it now. And it's increasingly clear he can't.
But as I said this is a board for debate and when people start to question whether he was ever any good I'll say what I think.
And much to both our surprise, you agreed with my assessment of that.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I think what Letters is trying to say is that there are people on here that are so pissed off with him now that they need to empty their bladder on his past achievements. Make it seem like they were either fortuitous or not particularly that impressive.

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Fuck him and his past achievements. A sellout is a sellout. The only thing I'll countenance in regard to the old, weak fool is it's possible, possible, he thought he was doing the right thing. But many who choose the easiest and most profitable path make the same claim.

Nah. Fuck him.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Fuck him and his past achievements. A sellout is a sellout. The only thing I'll countenance in regard to the old, weak fool is it's possible, possible, he thought he was doing the right thing. But many who choose the easiest and most profitable path make the same claim.

Nah. Fuck him.

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Are you talking about Letters?

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Originally Posted by Letters

It doesn't, really. But if people start spouting nonsense about how he's the worst manager we've ever had or start questioning whether he was ever any good then I will challenge that. And, for balance, I'd challenge anyone who said that Wenger should currently stay our manager [I'll leave a gap here where you can call me a liar if you like].
This is a board for debating stuff, isn't it? If I see something I disagree with then I have every right to challenge it. Otherwise what is the point of this place?

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Yes he is the worst manager we ever had. He's also the best manager we ever had. And there's where the problem lives. He's now, EASILY, the worst to ever manage Arsenal. EASILY. I mean where's the debate on this. Look at what he's doing. So what if he used to be the best? So what?

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Originally Posted by Firmino Is Boss

Are you talking about Letters?

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No.

Ox.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Which is not what I'm arguing, by the way.
I'm simply arguing that he used to be able to do it, others seem to be questioning that even.
And yes, "so what"? What matters is can he do it now. And it's increasingly clear he can't.
But as I said this is a board for debate and when people start to question whether he was ever any good I'll say what I think.
And much to both our surprise, you agreed with my assessment of that.

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I don't disagree with your past assessment of Wenger. But I do disagree that it should be in any way a mitigating factor in the horrendous fuckup he's engaged in now. He's the driving force behind this fuckup. Limp dick fucks like Kroenke who use money to replace their manhood, in an age where money is religion, they only have power when men with influence do their bidding and accept their bribes. Kroenke can do NOTHING on his own because he's a shitty arse fag nobody who just happens to have stolen a few quid. Hell, I could blow that cunt over and piss on him if the money was taken out of the equation. And I could sit down and beat him mentally too. All he has is his fucking money. And his stooges. Wenger is one of those.

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Originally Posted by Özim

This is a great post btw, I'm glad someone remembers how it actually was, for me it was the contrast from successful coach and the total transformation that followed, the way he seemed to make illogical decisions and insisted on the wrong player combinations and putting square pegs into round holes.

It just didn't sit right with me, 2 years before that the football was exhilerating and everything about the club was exciting, such a dramatic change in formula was one of the oddest things I've seen in football, to never return to your winning formula despite years of failure with your new methods is even odder, you'd have thought he might have tried, ironically he's seemingly purposefully resisted trying that formula, refusing to buy leaders or to buy tough, physical players and defenders who can primarily defend.

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I remember. We never even used to call the post game threads 'match reaction' it was 'player ratings' and we all used to give scores to the players with a brief summary on performances. We'd have way more varied discussions on GW. But it got to the point where we'd see the same players have poor performances or players played out of position and the focus started to go on why the manager kept on picking certain players. The post game thread stopped being about analysing performances and rating players. It morphed into posters venting after a poor performance. Letters and others would always say people are moaning too much and being 'doom and gloom' merchants, kneejerk reactions, etc, but I'd say something as simply as changing the post game thread name to 'match reaction' stopped us all from looking through the teams performance on a whole and picking out the one or two good performances even on a shit day.

But anyway, that's a side note. It's been frustrating to watch this team and I can't understand why Wenger hasn't worked out how to play certain players. I've never understood why he'd never pair Cesc and Rosicky in the middle with a strong DM or Nasri and Cesc with a strong DM in a 4-3-3. If he was looking at how Barca played, we needed a least two technical ball players in the middle of the park to create our version of Xavi and Iniesta. Instead he'd play Nasri or Rosicky on the wing and have two technically limited players behind Cesc such as Denilson, Song, Diaby and Flamini. It has taken him an age to figure out that you need two midfield wizards to play a 3 man midfield the way we want. But then again, he still hasn't worked it out. It's damn shame we had to lose both Cesc and Nasri before ever seeing Rosicky play CM and by then his career was finished. Same goes for finally seeing Cazorla as a CM. He can finally stumble on to a good thing but still not know what sort of player he should buy. He should have gone all out for Kante over Xhaka and should have been looking into Santi's understudy immediately. Instead, he's still trying to play Ramsey as a CM along with Xhaka.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

I remember. We never even used to call the post game threads 'match reaction' it was 'player ratings' and we all used to give scores to the players with a brief summary on performances. We'd have way more varied discussions on GW. But it got to the point where we'd see the same players have poor performances or players played out of position and the focus started to go on why the manager kept on picking certain players. The post game thread stopped being about analysing performances and rating players. It morphed into posters venting after a poor performance. Letters and others would always say people are moaning too much and being 'doom and gloom' merchants, kneejerk reactions, etc, but I'd say something as simply as changing the post game thread name to 'match reaction' stopped us all from looking through the teams performance on a whole and picking out the one or two good performances even on a shit day.

But anyway, that's a side note. It's been frustrating to watch this team and I can't understand why Wenger hasn't worked out how to play certain players. I've never understood why he'd never pair Cesc and Rosicky in the middle with a strong DM or Nasri and Cesc with a strong DM in a 4-3-3. If he was looking at how Barca played, we needed a least two technical ball players in the middle of the park to create our version of Xavi and Iniesta. Instead he'd play Nasri or Rosicky on the wing and have two technically limited players behind Cesc such as Denilson, Song, Diaby and Flamini. It has taken him an age to figure out that you need two midfield wizards to play a 3 man midfield the way we want. But then again, he still hasn't worked it out. It's damn shame we had to lose both Cesc and Nasri before ever seeing Rosicky play CM and by then his career was finished. Same goes for finally seeing Cazorla as a CM. He can finally stumble on to a good thing but still not know what sort of player he should buy. He should have gone all out for Kante over Xhaka and should have been looking into Santi's understudy immediately. Instead, he's still trying to play Ramsey as a CM along with Xhaka.

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Well I'm not so sure about any of that, tbf. Maybe, maybe not. It's an areas where the divide between fans and professionals ought to be observed. However, at this particular club, I'd give more credence to the views of the fans than that of the manager, because we have so much evidence.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Fuck him and his past achievements. A sellout is a sellout. The only thing I'll countenance in regard to the old, weak fool is it's possible, possible, he thought he was doing the right thing. But many who choose the easiest and most profitable path make the same claim.

Nah. Fuck him.

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I hear the anger. On some days I feel the same. It's hard to separate the Wenger of the past from what we're seeing today because it's led us to this.

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'At the end of the window, reviewing all activity, we have once again improved the depth and quality of the squad,' Gazidis wrote in an email sent to players and staff on Friday via the Daily Star.

'Everything is coloured by results... a positive performance at Liverpool would have coloured this transfer window very differently,' he continued.

'We have had a poor start to the season but have the quality to turn it around and turn around performances and compete for the title'.

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Ivan the Lizard.

"a positive performance at Liverpool would have coloured this transfer window very differently"

Of course it would have :lol:

Just read about that.

He's either thick and totally out of touch with reality, or (as I suspect) towing the party line as instructed by his superiors Kroenke and Wenger.

Either grow a pair or fuck off you spineless coward.

Yes, everything is knee-jerk, Ivan.

Cunt.

This is for Zim when he deigns to reappear on here,

This is why I don't agree with you about making people like Wenger or Gazidis meet fans groups. Read the bullshit both have come out with and the more than understandable reaction to it of people on here. Do you honestly think they'd be any more honest with fans groups?. No it's more spin and more bullshit. We aren't going to get questions answered because principally neither even acknowledge that there was a problem.

Yes it would have been different, but to suggest people would have been happier with our transfer dealings if we hadn't lost at Liverpool is totally disingenuous.

Ivan should be killed. Or sent to The Wall.

Ornstein posted a long post about our Summer

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/s...18820073132032

What a load of BS. Club is run by cunts. Belelrin can fuck right off too

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

This is for Zim when he deigns to reappear on here,

This is why I don't agree with you about making people like Wenger or Gazidis meet fans groups. Read the bullshit both have come out with and the more than understandable reaction to it of people on here. Do you honestly think they'd be any more honest with fans groups?. No it's more spin and more bullshit. We aren't going to get questions answered because principally neither even acknowledge that there was a problem.

Yes it would have been different, but to suggest people would have been happier with our transfer dealings if we hadn't lost at Liverpool is totally disingenuous.

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It's not the answers that are important, it's the questions and the removal of the media filter that pitches softball questions that lets these liars off the hook.

But anyway, now we know. Ivan has spoken. Wenger's the best manager we could find and the transfer window showed we are ambitious. Great news.

Bit of a Q&A with Wenger, talks about transfers etc interesting answer to this one about the CL:

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Q: But not having won it really bothers you?


Wenger: No.

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He's clearly not bothered about the CL, unlike Ferguson for whom it was the holy grail until he won it. How can you not be bothered about winning the biggest prize in club football (he's obvioulsy content with getting thrashed in the last 16 then I guess or even just qualifying for the CL)?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41145505

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Originally Posted by Munchies

Ornstein posted a long post about our Summer

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/s...18820073132032

What a load of BS. Club is run by cunts. Belelrin can fuck right off too

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Interesting read.

as some have been saying, the problems run much deeper than on the pitch. We are a mess and should go on Jeremy Kyle to sort it out.

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

Interesting read.

as some have been saying, the problems run much deeper than on the pitch. We are a mess and should go on Jeremy Kyle to sort it out.

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From reading that it sounds like the manager's faith in his players is not reciprocated.

If we think he's bullshitting about one thing. There's no reason to suppose he isn't about another thing

Man like Wenger is never going to admit that he feels his career has been in anyway inadequate or publically acknowledge that he hasn't achieved all he wants to. But apart from the fear of retirement, there's no doubt that he believes if he retired now it would be not as successful as he wanted.

He's not in the champions league, if he accepts that the failure to win the thing is a failure. He has to doubly acknowledge that failing to qualify for it is doubly so.

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Originally Posted by Özim

He's clearly not bothered about the CL, unlike Ferguson for whom it was the holy grail until he won it. How can you not be bothered about winning the biggest prize in club football (he's obvioulsy content with getting thrashed in the last 16 then I guess or even just qualifying for the CL)?

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Of course he's bothered. :lol:
A childish "No, didn't want to anyway!" should fool no-one.

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

Interesting read.

as some have been saying, the problems run much deeper than on the pitch. We are a mess and should go on Jeremy Kyle to sort it out.

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Sounds to me like either they had a plan yet ballsed it up by relying on one man who is known for not being proactive left to his own devices to carry them out.

Or that this was a totally disorganised shit show and this whole thing has been made up to excuse the absolute up fuckery

:lol: This keeps on getting better.

The transfer window was a failure. But I have to honest, before the season kicked off, I was adamant that we shouldn’t sell Alexis. If we were able looked like we were able to compete for the title and Alexis and Ozil were playing for the manager, I’d back the club not selling. But we should have sold off the crap and brought in more quality regardless. The window has been a failure.

But I agree with this.

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But Gazidis claimed that keeping hold of Ozil and Sanchez “was a clear statement of our ambitions and should help refute suggestions we are just about the money. That is simply nonsense.”

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The club were in a no win situation. Some bullshit story about us not having money on the eve transfer deadline day starts doing the rounds on Twitter just as we’re considering selling Sanchez.

Where did that bullshit come from? I thought that leak would have come from the club to cover for Wenger but I don’t think so. Something else is going on. Also, it sounds like we actually bid £92m for Lemar. Reading between the lines, it says we had money to spend and kept the players we needed despite Wenger hinting at the Board could overrule his decision and sell them. Wenger is a sneaky guy. It reaffirms what fans think about the Board only being interested in money and would have provided a perfect excuse at the end of the season when we fail again. Ivan, being an even bigger sneaky shit is pushing the focus back onto the pitch and results. That’s my theory. All smoke and mirrors.

Kroenke is so desperate to win the title but will not spend a penny out of his pocket!

It looks like the club will be in a mess for the foreseeable future.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I don't disagree with your past assessment of Wenger. But I do disagree that it should be in any way a mitigating factor in the horrendous fuckup he's engaged in now.

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I'm not actually arguing his past successes do mitigate what he's doing right now.
I'm just arguing against the assertion that he was never that good in the first place.
Zim questions how someone supposedly so good can now be so bad and his conclusion is that maybe he was never that good in the first place.
My take is that Wenger has simply stood still while all around him has changed. If the champion high jumper before the Fosby Flop was popularised refused to adopt the new technique then he would start to get beaten by younger athletes whose technique allows them to jump higher. That doesn't mean he wasn't a great jumper back in the day though. Neither does it mitigate his failure to adopt the new technique.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Of course he's bothered. :lol:
A childish "No, didn't want to anyway!" should fool no-one.

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Why wouldn't you say your bothered, it's the logical thing surely to say yes it's it something I think about as I would like to win it once in my career (standard fair for a manager at a big club).

Sometimes I just don't get the guy, well quite often actually.

As for his interest in Mbappe, it's as concrete as his interest in all those other worldies we "could have signed".