Wenger Out?

I'm not sure he mentions the 4th place trophy at every opportunity, that's a bit of an exaggeration.

The mental frailty has been a massive issue and Wenger is definitely culpable in that, BUT there are signs that this lot have a bit more steel. We've just won our 4th league game in a row where we've gone behind. I'd trust this lot more in a cup final than last year's team. I guess the end of this season will show something about how mentally strong this lot are, there's a lot to play for and there's a lot of pressure.

Ha. A few straight wins and now the majority want him to stay, fickle.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

he will still be here next season, without doubt.

but as to whether the should or not, depends on rvp.

if the dutchman stays then wenger should go but if our captain leaves, then the manager has to stay for another season at least

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And what kind of crazy logic is this?

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Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping

Can I add that I was listening to TalkShite last night before the game and the debate was over whether clubs should listen to fans when deciding policy. The point was made that while there are a few genuinely knowledgeable and balanced fans, the majority of us are pretty uninformed really, and clubs would be ill advised to follow policies on the basis of keeping fans happy. The situation at Wolves being a case in point.

Its amazing how a good run of results and seeing a liitle fight in our team means that we are miles away in terms of our feelings/opinions than we were 1 month ago.

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Thats why the owners are therefore to make those decisions tbh, not the fans we don't pay his wages so all in all its not up to us if he goes or not and never should be.

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Originally Posted by Syn

He is the man who killed Jack Wilshere. I don't think I'll be able to forgive him for that. I don't think I'll love again tbh. I do actually think there is something different about this group of players. Before we had the quality but lacked the mentality. This season it seems to be the reverse. But Wenger hasn't shown signs of being able to push on from a promising foundation. 07/08, 09/10 were both promising seasons but instead of building on it the next season is worse. He should have run out of chances last summer but here he is making us believe once more. But yeah, he fucked over Wilskins so he can go and bring in anyone who doesn't think it's normal to be topping the injury list table.

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Not sure he ruined Wilshere, like to know how you'd figure that out?

There is, however, a valid point in what Joker says. Our manager / board are the only one's around who openly admit that 4th place is an achievement.

Whilst it is, in a way, it doesn't sound ambitious for a club of our stature. It is one of the things which has really irked me over the last few years. Whilst the sentiment is correct, the message it sends out to fans, players, other clubs and potential signings is not a message of an ambitious club.

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Originally Posted by Letters

It's been a terrible season if you're a glory hunter who is only interested in trophies. But if you're interested in the journey of a season, the ups and downs that necessarily go with being a football fan, then this has been quite an interesting one. It's had some awful moments (Old Trafford etc) but some brilliant ones too (Chelsea away, the run we're on at the moment). If you don't have any downs then you can't appreciate the ups.

Of course trophies are what a club at our level should be aspiring to and the fact it's been so long is certainly a failing on Wenger's part, one which he should have been sacked for. But right now we're showing a lot more fight and a top 4 finish is looking probable which defies most of our expectations for much of this season. If we do the right things this summer (big if of course but the Podolski rumours are encouraging and if true give some indication we're looking to do things right this year and not scrabble around on deadline day) then we could push on next year.

As for making up the numbers in the CL, again it's not all about whether we win it or not. The AC Milan game at home was fantastic. We didn't do enough to go through but no-one could sensibly fault their efforts on the night or feel anything but pride at the way we fought. It was one of best atmospheres I've been in at the Emirates and night like that are worth being in the competition whether we progress or not.

I think right now I want him to stay as I see signs of hope but there have been too many false dawns before so I'm not certain about it. It's certainly not true that any idiot could come in and we'd suddenly be sweeping all before us again, if we do replace Wenger we'd have to be very careful in who we bring in.

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Pretty much.

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Originally Posted by Dog Toffee

And what kind of crazy logic is this?

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ok numbnuts

if both the captain and manager leave at the same time, then we would start the season similar to this and be more than unlikely to turn it around.

if RVP leaves, we can replace but we need the stability of management for at least another season and not a whole draft of players leaving with him.

if the manager leaves then retaining RVP would encourage the players to stay too.

are you related to that other tard joker by chance?

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Not sure he ruined Wilshere, like to know how you'd figure that out?

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He is still out injured because our club tried to rush him back and he sustained a second stress fracture.

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Originally Posted by LDG

There is, however, a valid point in what Joker says. Our manager / board are the only one's around who openly admit that 4th place is an achievement.

Whilst it is, in a way, it doesn't sound ambitious for a club of our stature. It is one of the things which has really irked me over the last few years. Whilst the sentiment is correct, the message it sends out to fans, players, other clubs and potential signings is not a message of an ambitious club.

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Yep is a silly statement to make agreed, But i highly doubt Wenger would dare take 4th over the winning a cup no way. It seems something they say when they feel all hope is lost.

and it will be nonsense to think Wenger would have been happy at not winning a thing in the last 7 years regardless of what he says.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Yep is a silly statement to make agreed, But i highly doubt Wenger would dare take 4th over the winning a cup no way. It seems something they say when they feel all hope is lost.

and it will be nonsense to think Wenger would have been happy at not winning a thing in the last 7 years regardless of what he says.

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Well of course not. You can see he wants to win.

But there is a difference between his / Ivan's approach with the media, and other clubs. Do you think for one second SAF would come out and say of his team, that "it's ok, fourth is like a trophy"?? Not a chance. He would just say, "Not good enough" with purple all over his nose.