Would you prefer 4th place or winning the League Cup?

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03-11-2012, 09:00 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

thing is, this in most peoples eyes should be wengers last season with us which makes it imperative to get CL football. there is no reason why we cannot get both the league cup and 4th place but if it comes down to a choice, we will have to take getting fourth because if we want a new manager who is good such as klopp, moyes, guardiola etc, they wont come here without CL football i dont think, regardless of wether we win the league.

or we could follow piers morgans idea of getting harry redknapp in. :ilt:

It won't be his last season, he'll be here a while yet and unless people show they want him out he's even more likely to stay. The board are pretty happy with him and he's pretty happy with his performance so why leave now?
03-11-2012, 09:01 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

We've seen fans make their feeling felt in the past though, Liverpool fans, Newcastle fans etc (didn't Newcastle fans stop coming to matches at one point?)......it doesn't always work but at least it puts pressure on the club and manager.

Problem at our club is they all think they're untouchable at the top, they need a reality check.

OK cool. I think given the amount of teams/managers/boards under pressure through any given season across so many leagues, over all these years, its safe to say its not really an approach that works.
03-11-2012, 09:06 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

OK cool. I think given the amount of teams/managers/boards under pressure through any given season across so many leagues, over all these years, its safe to say its not really an approach that works.

Fair enough, but it's better than doing nothing to be honest, better to try and fail then never to try at all.
03-11-2012, 09:12 PM
Ollie the Optimist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Fair enough, but it's better than doing nothing to be honest, better to try and fail then never to try at all.

we all want change in the club, but its only going to come by the manager not getting the results the board want.

lets face it, we can say boycott the club etc and vote with our feet but people wont do that. we will still go to games, or watch games on sky even if we say we are angry. we will still get involved and not be able to turn our backs on the club and stay away and not give them money.

and you know its true because otherwise you wouldnt say how shit we are, yet still post on an internet message board after every game. lets face it, none of us can turn our backs on our club. thats why voting with our feet wont work, no one will do
03-11-2012, 09:14 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

we all want change in the club, but its only going to come by the manager not getting the results the board want.

lets face it, we can say boycott the club etc and vote with our feet but people wont do that. we will still go to games, or watch games on sky even if we say we are angry. we will still get involved and not be able to turn our backs on the club and stay away and not give them money.

and you know its true because otherwise you wouldnt say how shit we are, yet still post on an internet message board after every game. lets face it, none of us can turn our backs on our club. thats why voting with our feet wont work, no one will do

If noone ever makes their feelings clear then we're stuck as we are and nothing will change, PHW and co will continue to laugh at and take the p*ss out of the fans and Wenger will continue to think he's 2% away from domination and entertaining the world.

Oh what a joy!
03-11-2012, 09:19 PM
Ollie the Optimist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

If noone ever makes their feelings clear then we're stuck as we are and nothing will change, PHW and co will continue to laugh at and take the p*ss out of the fans and Wenger will continue to think he's 2% away from domination and entertaining the world.

Oh what a joy!

you missed my point completely. no protest is going to work, marches etc just will be ignored. and fans wont vote with their feet because they wont be able to turn their back on Arsenal because its the club we all love. if i was offered a ticket for next week, id take it in a heartbeat to watch my team, even though i want change and know the only way to do that is to not give them my money, but i cant do that. no one can really. you watch our games so you give the club money in some form, be it through tickets, sky membership etc. and you wont stop doing that, none of us will.
03-11-2012, 09:31 PM
The Wengerbabies

Don't care. Neither should be considered any sort of achievement though.
03-11-2012, 09:58 PM
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

only reason i want champions league football is so the next manager that comes in has the biggest transfer kitty available to sort this pile of shit out in our squad.

cause it needs one hell of an investment and i certainly dont want wenger spending it anymore.
03-11-2012, 10:01 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

you missed my point completely. no protest is going to work, marches etc just will be ignored. and fans wont vote with their feet because they wont be able to turn their back on Arsenal because its the club we all love. if i was offered a ticket for next week, id take it in a heartbeat to watch my team, even though i want change and know the only way to do that is to not give them my money, but i cant do that. no one can really. you watch our games so you give the club money in some form, be it through tickets, sky membership etc. and you wont stop doing that, none of us will.

That's why football has attracted the money locusts. Captive audience, inelastic demand.
04-11-2012, 12:16 AM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

One little snag here though, we really don't compete....we're a 2nd tier team...we're not even really trying to compete just swelling the coffers. If we had a manager and board who cared about success that would be great, but it's all too obvious we don't.

Staying in the CL is really only relevant for the next manager that comes in in 2029 or something.

Liverpool aren't much kop tho I agree with that, but then neither are we and we haven't been for many a year...at least you've won the CL.

Yep and when we do a liverpool and don't ever get back in it, it would make no diffrence.

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