It was such an achievement, the League specially commissioned a Cup for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
And yes. It was fucking great.
Wenger out in 2004. :haha:
Why not in 98?
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It was such an achievement, the League specially commissioned a Cup for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
And yes. It was fucking great.
Wenger out in 2004. :haha:
Why not in 98?
Why ever?
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES,
I'll be dammed if i watch another Arsenal game this season with this guy in charge and those useless players we have.
No need for him to stay we have nout to loose anymore
BY AW Thanks for the memories.
That has to be your best post ever!:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
If he goes now, he's left us in a worse state than when he took us on.
If you're part of the crowd that has pocketed half a billion pounds, that clearly is not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gubby Allen
Ha ha ha. Why can't you accept you made a rather silly statement? No one's stopping you wanting Wenger to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
if he doesn't go now, he'll later on leave us in a worse state than we are now.
When he took over we were in a worse state, Bruce Left sunderland in a a worse state. Another manager can come in and get us winning again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gubby Allen
Time to get pep in tbh
Yes. The only thing in my mind that would sway me to say no would be finding a replacement.
Wenger's finished. Thank you very much, but there's the door.
We'd won ample trophies in the 6 years leading up to him coming. We've won **** all in the last 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
We had the basis of a phenomenal back 5 still there, plenty of other decent players, internationals, Parlour, Wright, Bergkamp.
What's he left us with now? A striker who would be perfectly justified in pissing off in the summer, a goal keeper who might be quite good and only one proven, genuinely talented youngster after a decade & 100 attempts - and he might not play again this season.
Now that really is a silly statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
I think today we can see that it really has been downhill all the way literally since then.
OX is deffo not playing this season can see wenger wanting to protect him, well we have nothing left to lose, don't care if we don't get 4th the players won't try now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gubby Allen
I agree we had the basis when AW came, but if he went now a new manager can come in now acess the situation, see how much funds he really has and what he will need to do.
He will have 6 months to sort out what we need, instead of one if wenger goes end of the season.
I'm not even sure a case for the defence exists for him anymore.
I don't see how anyone can continue to defend him.
That we spend zilch and make profits off good players leaving every summer? Unless you are 100% sure he is sitting on a shitload of available cash, I am not sure how you can say there is no defence.
No recycled jokes about Arsenal's defence plskthx.
I keep hearing these comments from everyone how "you can see how much it is hurting Wenger" or "you can sense his frustration"
Can you?
Does he really look anymore hurt or frustrated than McCarthy did in the games before he went? Bruce look frustrated & hurt all season. He doesn't look remotely different from any other manager at any other club, who loses as many games as they win.
Nor does standing there with your arms outstretched and moaning to the 4th official, 60 times match show too much hurt.
Sorry guys, this isn't the fault of Wenger. The quality just isn't out there to improve our squad. If the right quality was available, he would snap it up.
Sebastian Larsson Birmingham Sunderland Free 29/06/2011
Scott Parker West Ham United Tottenham Hotspur £6,000,000 31/08/2011
Demba Ba West Ham United Newcastle United Free 09/06/2011
David Vaughan Blackpool Sunderland Free 06/07/2011
Danny Graham Watford Swansea City £3,500,000 13/06/2011
Rafael Van Der Vaart Real Madrid Tottenham Hotspur £8,000,000 31/08/10
Over the years on GW, there have been numerous threads on transfer targets who we should sign. Most of us could easily see the problems in the squad, and those problems have still not been addressed till this day. We've been crying out for good centre backs , a world class striker, and good attacking wingers. For instance, players being mentioned many times : VDV before he went to Hamburg, Kompany before he went to City , Juan Mata (should have just stumped up that extra £5 mill or so, all those wages being wasted on dead wood can amount to that difference) , Scott Parker (the world class DM we've been craving since Flamini left).
Nothing is going to change if it currently stays as it is, Wenger waited until the LAST DAY of the transfer market, when we all KNEW CESC/Nasri would leave. He only acted because we got smashed 8-2 , would he have bought if it was a narrow 1-0 loss ?
Not sure at the time How Danny Graham or Vaughn would have helped us at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith
I'll defend him in principle if the plan is to try and heap 100% responsibility on him. If he goes as part of the luxury package that sees his suited and booted mates run out of it too, then fine. But if he goes as a way to buy those rats more time, long may he stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
You said you wanted Wenger out from 2004.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
The year we went undefeated in the League, you felt you wanted him out.
You made a ridiculously silly statement. Recognise that and move on.
If all these available, low-price players are so much better than the ones we bought and, how are we 4th?
There might be a bit of facetiousness in that. I think there is a point there and that there is an unreasonableness when discussing these issues. It is going completely on Wenger's back without acknowledgement of certain facts - i.e. expenditure. There is a website - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/ - 20th in net expenditure since 2006. Why is this so readily overlooked on here?
That's why I find it ironic on here now that those willing to give Wenger the slightest leeway are called fanatics. I don't think there is balance to the criticism now.
Graham has a cracking record, 10 goals in 23 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Chamakh has 8 in 37.
Wiki stats. Our scouts are in the conference finding Jenkinson but missed someone who scored 1 in 3 for Watford.
My point was that £10m a year would have improved the team, if we had done that continually and brought in quality then we wouldn't be where we are today. The team looks lost at times, there is no plan B, the play is so slow and isn't the "beautiful" attacking play people appear to think we play.
The difference between 4th and 12th is Robin Van Persie. I fully accept that we don't spend much relative to our sales. But quantity-wise, we have spent. And the Park, Diaby, Gibbs, Chamakh, Arshavin and quite a few others that never play are not sitting on their arses for free. This has been a severe mismanagement of funds and we're about to hand Djourou a new contract. It's ridiculous. If a new manager with some common sense can look at that from a fresh perspective - from the same perspective that Petit has - and also looks to sort out the injury problems we've been having (the no.1 problem at the club) then great. We've fucked Wilshere up (Arsene has admitted the setback was avoidable) and we've definitely fucked Rosicky over - which is why we'll keep handing him contracts out of guilt. The whole thing's a mess and needs new leadership...even if he can't spend much money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
i used the word fanatic perhaps a bit overzealously, but what you have to realise is not how much or little money wenger has to spend, it's the lack of mental strength, fight, desire shown by the players when their backs are against the wall and it's the lack of flexibility and tactical awareness that is shown by the manager. It's so predictable we hit the wall at the same time every season, and I believe the same thing would happen if both Wenger and the board were willing to spend more in the transfer market, he's run out of ideas......and i think frankly the players that have lost form and confidence and don't put the effort in like Arshavin being the key example are a reflection of the stagnation under this manager.
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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
Diaby has accrued something like 15-20 million in wages in his time here. On a per-game basis of full 90 minutes, the return has been abysmal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Show the door
1Manuel ALMUNIA
21Lukasz FABIANSKI
4Per MERTESACKER
18Sebastien SQUILLACI
20Johan DJOUROU
25Carl JENKINSON
2Abou DIABY
7Tomas ROSICKY
23Andrey ARSHAVIN
30Yossi BENAYOUN
9Ju-Young PARK
27 GERVINHO
29Marouane CHAMAKH
14Theo WALCOTT
11Carlos VELA
24Vito MANNONE
52Nicklas BENDTNER
DENILSON
Perhaps it is form
16Aaron RAMSEY
Keep
13Wojciech SZCZESNY
3Bacary SAGNA
5Thomas VERMAELEN
6Laurent KOSCIELNY
11Andre SANTOS
28Kieran GIBBS
8Mikel ARTETA
17Alex SONG
19Jack WILSHERE
39Francis COQUELIN
10Robin VAN PERSIE
15Alex OXLADE-CHAMBERLAIN
26Emmanuel FRIMPONG
I can't name 11 & subs from our squad!
No idea
31Ryo MIYAICHI
46Henri LANSBURY
Joel CAMPBELL
It's a fair post and I can't refute much of the detail. I've felt throughout though that all managers make mistakes, and I'm quite sure a lot of them have made similar ones to Wenger. The difference being that they have the comfort blankets of expensive, good players to help mask them. Added to the security a lot of clubs have that their best talent won't be sold every summer. Do we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
I don't know how good this Hazard is. Hypothetically, with all other circumstances remaining the same, if we'd got him for £25m in the summer. If he's as good as the hype (and Wenger) suggests, would it not have improved our position? Just by virtue of having one better player in attack.
I don't disagree that Wenger's made errors. But my point was there is a lack of recognition of extremes. We are 20th (out of 20 current PL teams) in terms of net spend since 2006. How ridiculous is that?
1 he has less pressure playing for Swansea then he owuld if he came here, he'd not score as many goals either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith
2 had we signed him at time, no Arsenal fan would have been happy. Its easier to say it in hindsight.
No one here wanted Ba when he wasat west ham, had we signed him in the summer people would have moaned another french africam etc.
As for VDV we never needed him we had cesc, he'd have not really played. You feel had he gone this summer we may have got him.
We are consistently shown in the top 5 richest clubs in the world (on one index we are third). We have the most expensive ticket prices and sell out 60,000 for every home match. Plenty of people with tickets don't even bother to turn up.
Should Wenger go? Well let's put it this way - if a commercial company performed like this for 2-3 years they would be looking for a new CEO. After 7 years nobody would believe that nothing had changed,
To keep doing the same thing and expect a different result is a sign of madness - Einstein.
This really is a no-brainer now whatever way you look at it. Are we STILL going to be having this debate in February 2013? Crazy, absolutely crazy.
Would that not mean stan would be out then?Quote:
Originally Posted by notwist
Why because vyou bsaid so. Winning the league is nothing wee havent done before, Madrid have sacked mangars that have won leagues and CL. Yet 2004 is held up as the pinnacle of football. I wanted him out after we bottled the CL. How does yuours o anyones opinion mattter more than any other. Maybe I was being prescient maybe you cannot accept that Wenger is an abject failure now. Or are you running a Gaddafi show here now, that brooks no other opinionsQuote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Oddly enough, it's the manager who makes the decisions at a football club, but nice try.
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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
It's a good point about Hazard. I said that Van Persie was the difference between 4th and 12th and although, obviously, buying another ready-made Van Persie is out of question (simply because there isn't anyone available with that kind of quality), a couple of RVP-lites even could propel us up the table a bit. Maybe. I see the same fundamental flaws happening but if you're willing to spend enough you can fill the cracks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
You're right that you probably cannot put the money situation aside and look to analyse Wenger's performance objectively. It does complicate things - I don't believe Arsene is refusing to spend some kind of 'warchest' available like some say. But I just don't think his management even with the limited resources he has at his disposal has been good enough. That's what it comes down to. And if you believe that, you also believe that a good (not necessarily top) manager could improve things. The predictability about things is suffocating and the club desperately needs a change.
But he's the CEO of the club is he not.Quote:
Originally Posted by notwist
I think some people might find you a little tedious. No offence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Stan? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Gazidis is.
It's not nice to keep debating the semantics of such a silly comment but lets just put it this way:Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Lets just imagine for a second that Arsene Wenger was sacked in July 2004. Would you have been happy the next day?
You said the CEO would get sacked did you not who is the CEO at this club? I was not trying to clever i was assuming you meant the CEO.Quote:
Originally Posted by notwist
However would they still sack the CEO if he/she made them serious profit each year.