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I'll defend him in principle if the plan is to try and heap 100% responsibility on him. If he goes as part of the luxury package that sees his suited and booted mates run out of it too, then fine. But if he goes as a way to buy those rats more time, long may he stay.Originally Posted by Joker
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You said you wanted Wenger out from 2004.
The year we went undefeated in the League, you felt you wanted him out.
You made a ridiculously silly statement. Recognise that and move on.
If all these available, low-price players are so much better than the ones we bought and, how are we 4th?
There might be a bit of facetiousness in that. I think there is a point there and that there is an unreasonableness when discussing these issues. It is going completely on Wenger's back without acknowledgement of certain facts - i.e. expenditure. There is a website - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/ - 20th in net expenditure since 2006. Why is this so readily overlooked on here?
That's why I find it ironic on here now that those willing to give Wenger the slightest leeway are called fanatics. I don't think there is balance to the criticism now.
Last edited by Dennis Bendtner; 18-02-2012 at 08:44 PM.
Graham has a cracking record, 10 goals in 23 games.
Chamakh has 8 in 37.
Wiki stats. Our scouts are in the conference finding Jenkinson but missed someone who scored 1 in 3 for Watford.
My point was that £10m a year would have improved the team, if we had done that continually and brought in quality then we wouldn't be where we are today. The team looks lost at times, there is no plan B, the play is so slow and isn't the "beautiful" attacking play people appear to think we play.
The difference between 4th and 12th is Robin Van Persie. I fully accept that we don't spend much relative to our sales. But quantity-wise, we have spent. And the Park, Diaby, Gibbs, Chamakh, Arshavin and quite a few others that never play are not sitting on their arses for free. This has been a severe mismanagement of funds and we're about to hand Djourou a new contract. It's ridiculous. If a new manager with some common sense can look at that from a fresh perspective - from the same perspective that Petit has - and also looks to sort out the injury problems we've been having (the no.1 problem at the club) then great. We've fucked Wilshere up (Arsene has admitted the setback was avoidable) and we've definitely fucked Rosicky over - which is why we'll keep handing him contracts out of guilt. The whole thing's a mess and needs new leadership...even if he can't spend much money.
i used the word fanatic perhaps a bit overzealously, but what you have to realise is not how much or little money wenger has to spend, it's the lack of mental strength, fight, desire shown by the players when their backs are against the wall and it's the lack of flexibility and tactical awareness that is shown by the manager. It's so predictable we hit the wall at the same time every season, and I believe the same thing would happen if both Wenger and the board were willing to spend more in the transfer market, he's run out of ideas......and i think frankly the players that have lost form and confidence and don't put the effort in like Arshavin being the key example are a reflection of the stagnation under this manager.
Diaby has accrued something like 15-20 million in wages in his time here. On a per-game basis of full 90 minutes, the return has been abysmal.
Show the door
1Manuel ALMUNIA
21Lukasz FABIANSKI
4Per MERTESACKER
18Sebastien SQUILLACI
20Johan DJOUROU
25Carl JENKINSON
2Abou DIABY
7Tomas ROSICKY
23Andrey ARSHAVIN
30Yossi BENAYOUN
9Ju-Young PARK
27 GERVINHO
29Marouane CHAMAKH
14Theo WALCOTT
11Carlos VELA
24Vito MANNONE
52Nicklas BENDTNER
DENILSON
Perhaps it is form
16Aaron RAMSEY
Keep
13Wojciech SZCZESNY
3Bacary SAGNA
5Thomas VERMAELEN
6Laurent KOSCIELNY
11Andre SANTOS
28Kieran GIBBS
8Mikel ARTETA
17Alex SONG
19Jack WILSHERE
39Francis COQUELIN
10Robin VAN PERSIE
15Alex OXLADE-CHAMBERLAIN
26Emmanuel FRIMPONG
I can't name 11 & subs from our squad!
No idea
31Ryo MIYAICHI
46Henri LANSBURY
Joel CAMPBELL
It's a fair post and I can't refute much of the detail. I've felt throughout though that all managers make mistakes, and I'm quite sure a lot of them have made similar ones to Wenger. The difference being that they have the comfort blankets of expensive, good players to help mask them. Added to the security a lot of clubs have that their best talent won't be sold every summer. Do we?
I don't know how good this Hazard is. Hypothetically, with all other circumstances remaining the same, if we'd got him for £25m in the summer. If he's as good as the hype (and Wenger) suggests, would it not have improved our position? Just by virtue of having one better player in attack.
I don't disagree that Wenger's made errors. But my point was there is a lack of recognition of extremes. We are 20th (out of 20 current PL teams) in terms of net spend since 2006. How ridiculous is that?
Last edited by Dennis Bendtner; 18-02-2012 at 09:05 PM.
1 he has less pressure playing for Swansea then he owuld if he came here, he'd not score as many goals either.
2 had we signed him at time, no Arsenal fan would have been happy. Its easier to say it in hindsight.
No one here wanted Ba when he wasat west ham, had we signed him in the summer people would have moaned another french africam etc.
As for VDV we never needed him we had cesc, he'd have not really played. You feel had he gone this summer we may have got him.
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