Should Wenger go?

[notwist]

We are consistently shown in the top 5 richest clubs in the world (on one index we are third). We have the most expensive ticket prices and sell out 60,000 for every home match. Plenty of people with tickets don't even bother to turn up.

Should Wenger go? Well let's put it this way - if a commercial company performed like this for 2-3 years they would be looking for a new CEO. After 7 years nobody would believe that nothing had changed,

To keep doing the same thing and expect a different result is a sign of madness - Einstein.

This really is a no-brainer now whatever way you look at it. Are we STILL going to be having this debate in February 2013? Crazy, absolutely crazy.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We are consistently shown in the top 5 richest clubs in the world (on one index we are third). We have the most expensive ticket prices and sell out 60,000 for every home match. Plenty of people with tickets don't even bother to turn up.

Should Wenger go? Well let's put it this way - if a commercial company performed like this for 2-3 years they would be looking for a new CEO. After 7 years nobody would believe that nothing had changed,

To keep doing the same thing and expect a different result is a sign of madness - Einstein.

This really is a no-brainer now whatever way you look at it. Are we STILL going to be having this debate in February 2013? Crazy, absolutely crazy.

Would that not mean stan would be out then?

[Globalgunner]

You said you wanted Wenger out from 2004.

The year we went undefeated in the League, you felt you wanted him out.

You made a ridiculously silly statement. Recognise that and move on.

Why because vyou bsaid so. Winning the league is nothing wee havent done before, Madrid have sacked mangars that have won leagues and CL. Yet 2004 is held up as the pinnacle of football. I wanted him out after we bottled the CL. How does yuours o anyones opinion mattter more than any other. Maybe I was being prescient maybe you cannot accept that Wenger is an abject failure now. Or are you running a Gaddafi show here now, that brooks no other opinions

[notwist]

Oddly enough, it's the manager who makes the decisions at a football club, but nice try.

Would that not mean stan would be out then?

[Syn]

It's a fair post and I can't refute much of the detail. I've felt throughout though that all managers make mistakes, and I'm quite sure a lot of them have made similar ones to Wenger. The difference being that they have the comfort blankets of expensive, good players to help mask them. Do we?

I don't know how good this Hazard is. Hypothetically, with all other circumstances remaining the same, if we'd got him for £25m in the summer. If he's as good as the hype (and Wenger) suggests, would it not have improved our position? Just by virtue of having one better player in attack.

I don't disagree that Wenger's made errors. But my point was there is a lack of recognition of extremes. We are 20th (out of 20 current PL teams) in terms of net spend since 2006. How ridiculous is that?

It's a good point about Hazard. I said that Van Persie was the difference between 4th and 12th and although, obviously, buying another ready-made Van Persie is out of question (simply because there isn't anyone available with that kind of quality), a couple of RVP-lites even could propel us up the table a bit. Maybe. I see the same fundamental flaws happening but if you're willing to spend enough you can fill the cracks.

You're right that you probably cannot put the money situation aside and look to analyse Wenger's performance objectively. It does complicate things - I don't believe Arsene is refusing to spend some kind of 'warchest' available like some say. But I just don't think his management even with the limited resources he has at his disposal has been good enough. That's what it comes down to. And if you believe that, you also believe that a good (not necessarily top) manager could improve things. The predictability about things is suffocating and the club desperately needs a change.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Oddly enough, it's the manager who makes the decisions at a football club, but nice try.

But he's the CEO of the club is he not.

[notwist]

But he's the CEO of the club is he not.

I think some people might find you a little tedious. No offence.

[GP]

But he's the CEO of the club is he not.

Stan? No.

Gazidis is.

[Syn]

Why because vyou bsaid so. Winning the league is nothing wee havent done before, Madrid have sacked mangars that have won leagues and CL. Yet 2004 is held up as the pinnacle of football. I wanted him out after we bottled the CL. How does yuours o anyones opinion mattter more than any other. Maybe I was being prescient maybe you cannot accept that Wenger is an abject failure now. Or are you running a Gaddafi show here now, that brooks no other opinions

It's not nice to keep debating the semantics of such a silly comment but lets just put it this way:

Lets just imagine for a second that Arsene Wenger was sacked in July 2004. Would you have been happy the next day?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I think some people might find you a little tedious. No offence.

You said the CEO would get sacked did you not who is the CEO at this club? I was not trying to clever i was assuming you meant the CEO.

However would they still sack the CEO if he/she made them serious profit each year.